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#545195 - 12/31/07 02:44 PM too much magnification?
Thunderroost
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thinking about putting a 6-18x40 nikon on my .270

I want more than the 3-10x that is on it now...would 18x magnification be beneficial on a .270 or a waste? (not planning to use it for short range/thick cover obviously)
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#545217 - 12/31/07 03:14 PM Re: too much magnification? [Re: Thunderroost]
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It mostly depends on where you hunt (woods vs open).

I've got a 3.5 x 10 on my .270, 270 wsm, and Savage 10 ml2.

I've shot to 475 with no handicap in magnification.

I wouldn't put anything more than a 3.5x10 on it , but that's JMO.

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#545220 - 12/31/07 03:16 PM Re: too much magnification? [Re: ewc]
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I'd also agree with DA, a good scope is better money spent.
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#545238 - 12/31/07 03:27 PM Re: too much magnification? [Re: ewc]
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already has a Leupold vx3 on it....I am familiar with the need for quality. my question is about magnification \:D
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#545319 - 12/31/07 05:03 PM Re: too much magnification? [Re: Thunderroost]
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If you are comfortable with 18x, than go for it. It's your gun, your scope, your eye, your hunt. Do what is right for you.
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#545325 - 12/31/07 05:08 PM Re: too much magnification? [Re: Collector]
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Have you ever tried to hold on a target with 18x in the field? The slightest movement will DRASTICALLY move your POI. I would just practice with your 10x or go to a 4.5-14x. I have a 4.5-14x and haven't cranked it up past 9. IMO, you would be better off practicing longer distances with your current scope.
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#545326 - 12/31/07 05:15 PM Re: too much magnification? [Re: Model70Man]
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The 18x doesn't make your gun move more. It just shows up more. You control the rifle, the rifle controls the bullet, and the scope just magnifies your vision.
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#545339 - 12/31/07 05:32 PM Re: too much magnification? [Re: Collector]
WestTn Huntin'man
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You don't mention the size ojective on your 3X10.The scope you are mentioning changing to 6X18X 40. The last # has to do with field of view if your 3X10X ?? is a 32 and you go to a 40 or 50 objective it would improve your field of view. In other words ,make it easier to find and hold on your target.A larger objective also makes it easier to see in low light conditions.
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#545347 - 12/31/07 05:40 PM Re: too much magnification? [Re: Thunderroost]
WestTn Huntin'man
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I would stay in the 3X10 or 4X12 range and consider something with a larger objective if you want to improve what you have going from a 3X10X32 to a 3X10X40 or 4X12X50 should be more than enough for a 270 in Tn. Out West shooting parrie dogs or Prong horns you might want alittle more.
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#545363 - 12/31/07 05:58 PM Re: too much magnification? [Re: WestTn Huntin'man]
Model70Man
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The larger objective doesn't increase your field of view. It depends on the scope. I know of 20mm objectives that have a larger field of view than 50mm.
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#545368 - 12/31/07 06:00 PM Re: too much magnification? [Re: WestTn Huntin'man]
Steve Eggers
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I put a 4-16X50 burris on my 338-06 this year and love it
I leave on 16 most of the time unless in tight woods
I want another with european glass that goes to 16 for my 7mm/300 Win Mag

As far as moving more with more power ,your not just looks like it . I assure you if you cant hold it on a deer with 16 power you cant with 4 power either

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#545375 - 12/31/07 06:03 PM Re: too much magnification? [Re: WestTn Huntin'man]
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I like 3-10x for woods and fields with shots to 300 yards.

4.5-14x is about close to perfect for just about everything.

6-20x and up strictly for target shooting or long range hunting (beyond 500 yards).

Those are my personal preferences. I went with a 2-7x on my mountain rifle this year and I hate it. Although I probably won't shoot past 250 yards with it, I do like to be able to crank up the power on a scope to differentiate between button bucks and yearling does, or even just to tell if it's got spikes or not. I've found I just can't tell the little details that are important with low power scopes.

I've never had trouble picking up game in the scope with the above recommendations, but what you're really talking about is just a matter of preference.

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#545380 - 12/31/07 06:05 PM Re: too much magnification? [Re: Model70Man]
WestTn Huntin'man
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 Originally Posted By: Model70Man
The larger objective doesn't increase your field of view. It depends on the scope. I know of 20mm objectives that have a larger field of view than 50mm.

Not trying to start no augruments. The man wants to improve what he has. He did not say what his objective was.For me and alot of other guys a larger objective is a improvement. Offer a positive sugestion to the man. If you can !!!!


Edited by WestTn Huntin'man (12/31/07 06:05 PM)
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#545460 - 12/31/07 07:09 PM Re: too much magnification? [Re: Model70Man]
WestTn Huntin'man
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 Originally Posted By: Model70Man
The larger objective doesn't increase your field of view. It depends on the scope. I know of 20mm objectives that have a larger field of view than 50mm.

Which ones are you talking about Model 70???. I'm always open to learning something new.Thats what I like about TnDeer, guys that like to help each other learn more.
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#546218 - 01/01/08 02:31 PM Re: too much magnification? [Re: WestTn Huntin'man]
Model70Man
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 Originally Posted By: WestTn Huntin'man
 Originally Posted By: Model70Man
The larger objective doesn't increase your field of view. It depends on the scope. I know of 20mm objectives that have a larger field of view than 50mm.

Which ones are you talking about Model 70???. I'm always open to learning something new.Thats what I like about TnDeer, guys that like to help each other learn more.


I got my info from http://www.swfa.com. These are all FOV at 100 yds on low power.

The Meopta Meostar R1 1.5-5x20 has a FOV of 81'
Zeiss Conquest 1.8-5.5x38 has a FOV of 56.4'
Nikon Monarch Gold 1.5-6x42 has a FOV of 64.7'
Swarovski Z6 2-12x50 has a FOV of 63'


Edited by Model70Man (01/01/08 08:47 PM)
Edit Reason: corrected website link
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#546325 - 01/01/08 04:49 PM Re: too much magnification? [Re: Model70Man]
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I love high magnification, probably because I fire thousands of rounds per year at targets but only one shot per year at a deer.
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#546545 - 01/01/08 07:56 PM Re: too much magnification? [Re: Model70Man]
WestTn Huntin'man
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 Originally Posted By: Model70Man
 Originally Posted By: WestTn Huntin'man
 Originally Posted By: Model70Man
The larger objective doesn't increase your field of view. It depends on the scope. I know of 20mm objectives that have a larger field of view than 50mm.

Which ones are you talking about Model 70???. I'm always open to learning something new.Thats what I like about TnDeer, guys that like to help each other learn more.


I got my info from http://www.sfwa.com. These are all FOV at 100 yds on low power.

The Meopta Meostar R1 1.5-5x20 has a FOV of 81'
Zeiss Conquest 1.8-5.5x38 has a FOV of 56.4'
Nikon Monarch Gold 1.5-6x42 has a FOV of 64.7'
Swarovski Z6 2-12x50 has a FOV of 63'

The link leads to a internet company .I did not see any scope information ????. I'm familar with the bottom 3 scopes.I will read up on the 1st one. I will be purchaseing a new 270 sometime this year and haven't decided what I will scope it with. I have been studying on it a few years.


Edited by WestTn Huntin'man (01/01/08 07:59 PM)
Edit Reason: bad link
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#546624 - 01/01/08 08:51 PM Re: too much magnification? [Re: WestTn Huntin'man]
Model70Man
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Meopta is one of the leaders in European optics. They rank right up there with Swarovski, IOR, Zeiss, and Kahles. I had a Meopta Meostar R1 that I sold to a TNDeer member and that scope blew away my Zeiss Conquests in every category except weight.

Try the link now. I had transposed the middle letters. Sorry for that.
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#546783 - 01/01/08 11:00 PM Re: too much magnification? [Re: Model70Man]
WestTn Huntin'man
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I looked and found some good things on Meopta. They are nice but WAYYYY out of my price range looks like thier low end scopes start at over $500 Sportsmans Guide prices and go on up over a $1000.

Edited by WestTn Huntin'man (01/01/08 11:00 PM)
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#546833 - 01/02/08 05:35 AM Re: too much magnification? [Re: WestTn Huntin'man]
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a 3-9x40 is the most i would put on a "deer" rifle.
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#547642 - 01/02/08 07:11 PM Re: too much magnification? [Re: TennBuck]
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 Originally Posted By: TennBuck
a 3-9x40 is the most i would put on a "deer" rifle.


I agree. Yesterday I saw a doe in some brush, but couldn't find her in the scope with it set at 6. Later I re-set it to 4, and used it to shoot a buck. The wider FOV at 4 helped for quick target acquisition.

In a totally different situation, antelop hunting in Montana, my brother in law nailed an antelop with one shot using a fixed 4 power scope. We measured the distance at 324 yards.

I have a 2-7X32 on my ML, and like it as much or more than the 3-9X40 on my .270. Both scopes spend 90% of the time at either 4 or 6. They're at their lowest setting when I'm walking to or from my stand, in case a quick snap shot is required.
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#548664 - 01/03/08 03:26 PM Re: too much magnification? [Re: jakeway]
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finally decided that 4.5-14x was all I could really use on a .270

it should be here Friday!
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#548676 - 01/03/08 03:45 PM Re: too much magnification? [Re: Thunderroost]
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I would be worried about the low end of the magnification more than the high side. A quick moving deer in close range in thick cover, and you will have a hard time picking him up. I had a Vari-XIII 4,5 14 -40 on my 22-250. One woods set calling bobcats let me know that I made a mistake in scope selection. To each his own, but 3.5 on the low end is as high as I am willing to go for a hunting scope.
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#551719 - 01/06/08 11:59 AM Re: too much magnification? [Re: WestTn Huntin'man]
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I have a 6-24 x 40mm on my 25-06 and love it.
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#552454 - 01/06/08 09:53 PM Re: too much magnification? [Re: RUGER77MAN]
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You made a good decision on the power, 16x is a personal max I would put on a hunting rifle, that's what's on my heavy barreled .300 Win Mag. and it's plenty.
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