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#533965 - 12/19/07 12:54 PM Re: QDM Club Penalties [Re: BSK]
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I did not mention the size of the property - sorry that would probably be helpful. We are managing around 1,000 acres, but the land owner adjacent to us is managing 8,000 acres, with more stringent requirements.
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#533988 - 12/19/07 01:11 PM Re: QDM Club Penalties [Re: Highland]
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In that siuation, you'll never run out of 3 1/2+ year-old bucks, as long as you don't over-pressure your 1,000 acres and/or you have more of what deer are looking for, especially pockets of good cover.
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#534564 - 12/19/07 10:28 PM Re: QDM Club Penalties [Re: BSK]
8 POINTS OR BETTER
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Maybe fine then $50 to $100, and use the money to improve the lease.
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#534603 - 12/19/07 10:57 PM Re: QDM Club Penalties [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
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we tried using all fines to herd improvement and food plots
i do not thing it makes any difference
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#534632 - 12/19/07 11:10 PM Re: QDM Club Penalties [Re: smstone22]
BigGameGuy
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 Originally Posted By: steven stone
A couple of 2.5 yr olds will not hurt you one bit.


I wanted to expound on Steven's statement...

It depends on what exactly you are manging for. Should you be managing with traditional QDM goals and simply trying to protect the yearlings, then Steven is correct. A few 2-1/2 year olds on about 1,000 acres won't harm a thing.

However, if you are more into trophy management with the goal of harvesting 4-1/2+ year old deer, then the harvest of 2-1/2 year old deer is more detrimental to your program then harvesting the same number of 1-1/2 year old deer. If that's the case you may do better with a simple limit on the number of bucks that can be harvested to prevent too many middle-aged deer from being removed prematurely.
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#534638 - 12/19/07 11:15 PM Re: QDM Club Penalties [Re: BigGameGuy]
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BGG, one thing that must be considered also is if those couple of 2.5 yr olds werent shot by a hunter, then how many would die of natural mortality anyway.
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#534660 - 12/19/07 11:52 PM Re: QDM Club Penalties [Re: smstone22]
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Exactly Steven, that's why if you are managinging for mature deer, it's more detrimental to shoot a 2-1/2 year old buck as opposed to a yearling...because that 2-1/2 has already survived to make it to 2-1/2. It gets even more detrimental if you shoot a 3-1/2.
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#534702 - 12/20/07 06:24 AM Re: QDM Club Penalties [Re: Highland]
416wbymag
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So, I know how to tell mature from yearling but is there that big a difference between 2.5 and 3.5 years. Also, is it that obvious from 100 yards in a scope?
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#534745 - 12/20/07 07:20 AM Re: QDM Club Penalties [Re: 416wbymag]
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To me, identifying 2 1/2 from 3 1/2 year-old bucks is the toughest part of field-judging buck age. Personally, I look at the size of the neck and the depth of the chest.
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#534804 - 12/20/07 08:13 AM Re: QDM Club Penalties [Re: BSK]
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As others have said, I wouldn't sweat losing one or two 2 1/2 yr olds overall per year. However, in this case, it sounds like it's only one or two guys killing all the young deer. In that case, I'd go to a $500 or $1000 fine. That'll make people think twice about pulling the trigger. Or just give them one more warning, and kick them out if they shoot another 2 1/2.

My cousin killed a 2 1/2 yr old on our farm this year. 17" inside spread, scored 115". It didn't bother me a bit because he hasn't killed a buck on the farm in 3 years, and this was only his third buck to kill in 6 years. He knew he made a mistake, but I know that honest mistakes do happen on occasion. I would have felt different if he killed a couple 2 1/2 yr old bucks every year on the farm, though.

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