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#527517 - 12/13/07 01:46 PM Re: Shooter? [Re: TAS]
Stick'n'String
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Thanks Bryan I had just PM'd Chris the info.
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#527523 - 12/13/07 01:50 PM Re: Shooter? [Re: Stick'n'String]
Stick'n'String
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Hunterhaas,

Like Bryan said I was just stating the obivious as not everyone understands what is implied by saying let the small ones walk. My post wasn't intended to be an attack just clarifying your point as to what QDM is all about.

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#527533 - 12/13/07 01:59 PM Re: Shooter? [Re: TAS]
HunterHaas
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You know I apoligize to you guys. Somebody broke my car window and stole my bow couple days ago. I have been in a combative kind of mood ever since. I am new to posting but am not new to the site. Its pretty awsome to have knowledgeable people to ask questions and refrence(past topics and posts). And local people too! BSK you have been very helpful and professional!You have gone out of your way to answer my questions. I thank you very much! Anyway as of 1:33 my brand new PSE Brute is fine tuned and ready for the woods. TAS taking your advice and getting off this computer and going hunting. The saddle between these two hills is my Honey Hole, Thanks for the info, gone huntin, Nicholas Haas
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#527576 - 12/13/07 02:51 PM Re: Shooter? [Re: HunterHaas]
Chris Tripp
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thanks Brian and Daniel, somehow that info has eluded me for a long time
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#527603 - 12/13/07 03:15 PM Re: Shooter? [Re: HOOK]
bonekelektr
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bang...thud....
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#527615 - 12/13/07 03:28 PM Re: Shooter? [Re: BSK]
deerchaser007
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
HunterHaas,

When it comes to the heritability of antler traits, does may be carrying many of those traits, just as only women pass on male-pattern baldness. There are many instances of male-expressed traits that are only passed on from mother to son. To date, the only antler-trait heritable studies done actually suggest almost all antler traits are passed on by the mother doe, but until someone actually deciphers the genetic code itself, we won't know for sure.


In the october issue of quality whitetails there is a article on deer breeders. Its part 2 of a 3 part article. On the buck specified in the article named bubba,.. he featured a forked left side g-2. This antler trait now has carried over into his son, grandson, and great grandson. Four generations with forked left side g-2,s all from the starting sire. Though each buck definately had distinct racks of their own,.. this 1 trait carried over. All i'm saying,.. its very possible in new studies that some antler traits may come from the male.
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#527830 - 12/13/07 06:40 PM Re: Shooter? [Re: BSK]
156p&y
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
HunterHaas,

When non-typical antlers occur on both sides, it is most likely genetic. However, often a body injury can produce a non-typical antler on one side but not on the other. Sometimes that injury-induced non-typicalness on one side is repeated in later years and sometimes it isn't.

Basically, if you see a buck with one normally shaped antler, but a crazy antler on the other side, it is injury induced.


I have an interesting question regarding that BSK. I killed a huge 3 beamed deer back in the 99 season. A friend of mine found out that a local landowner had found a deer almost identical to mine 4-5 years before I harvested the deer I took. Both bucks had very symmetrical typical racks but on their left side they had a 3rd beam and were nearly identical. Now wouldn't that be genetics ?
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#527890 - 12/13/07 07:23 PM Re: Shooter? [Re: 156p&y]
Chris Tripp
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possible, and more than likely due to its mother's bloodline

Edited by Chris Tripp (12/13/07 07:23 PM)

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#528206 - 12/14/07 05:56 AM Re: Shooter? [Re: deerchaser007]
BSK
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 Originally Posted By: deerchaser007
 Originally Posted By: BSK
HunterHaas,

When it comes to the heritability of antler traits, does may be carrying many of those traits, just as only women pass on male-pattern baldness. There are many instances of male-expressed traits that are only passed on from mother to son. To date, the only antler-trait heritable studies done actually suggest almost all antler traits are passed on by the mother doe, but until someone actually deciphers the genetic code itself, we won't know for sure.


In the october issue of quality whitetails there is a article on deer breeders. Its part 2 of a 3 part article. On the buck specified in the article named bubba,.. he featured a forked left side g-2. This antler trait now has carried over into his son, grandson, and great grandson. Four generations with forked left side g-2,s all from the starting sire. Though each buck definately had distinct racks of their own,.. this 1 trait carried over. All i'm saying,.. its very possible in new studies that some antler traits may come from the male.


Good example deerchaser007. The Kerr "spike" study definitely proved that bucks pass on some expressed heritable genetics, but how much and exactly what characteristics is the question.
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#528210 - 12/14/07 05:59 AM Re: Shooter? [Re: 156p&y]
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 Originally Posted By: 156p&y
 Originally Posted By: BSK
HunterHaas,

When non-typical antlers occur on both sides, it is most likely genetic. However, often a body injury can produce a non-typical antler on one side but not on the other. Sometimes that injury-induced non-typicalness on one side is repeated in later years and sometimes it isn't.

Basically, if you see a buck with one normally shaped antler, but a crazy antler on the other side, it is injury induced.


I have an interesting question regarding that BSK. I killed a huge 3 beamed deer back in the 99 season. A friend of mine found out that a local landowner had found a deer almost identical to mine 4-5 years before I harvested the deer I took. Both bucks had very symmetrical typical racks but on their left side they had a 3rd beam and were nearly identical. Now wouldn't that be genetics ?


It sure would, but a doe could have been passing that trait on to her sons.

I see bucks on a single property several years apart that obviously have the same genetic traits, but considering how much bucks disperse, the fact they are on the same property and several years apart (far enough that the first buck couldn't have sired the second buck because the first buck was dead before the second buck was sired), the traits must be being passed down by a local old doe.

Again, considering how much bucks disperse from their birth range, if a speciic antler trait keeps showing up over and over in a given location, the odds are much higher that that trait is being passed on over and over by a local doe or related does.
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