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#514107 - 12/02/07 03:25 PM Making up for the lack of nutrition 2007
Greenhead
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Everyone knows there has been a real lack of nutrition this year. What is this going to do for next year?
Will we see a slack in antler growth in 2008?
What can we do to help?
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#514112 - 12/02/07 03:30 PM Re: Making up for the lack of nutrition 2007 [Re: Greenhead]
smstone22
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The deer will be just fine.
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#514290 - 12/02/07 06:37 PM Re: Making up for the lack of nutrition 2007 [Re: smstone22]
deerchaser007
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YES,.. antler growth will suffer next year. What can you do,. nothing now. Winter food plots would have been the only chance for you to even come close to helping.

The only folks that will not suffer is the areas that have the deer within carrying capacity, have good habitat available, and have good lush plots throughout winter.

If some areas have a bad winter,. you can expect a winter lose of deer. Habitat in some areas are allready destroyed by wildlife that is normally there. A bad winter will hurt the deer big time.

Some january thru march supplemental feeding in these areas will help. BUT,.. not solve the antler growth problem. BUT,.. it will be expensive.
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#514894 - 12/03/07 11:23 AM Re: Making up for the lack of nutrition 2007 [Re: deerchaser007]
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 Originally Posted By: deerchaser007
YES,.. antler growth will suffer next year. What can you do,. nothing now. Winter food plots would have been the only chance for you to even come close to helping.


What Deerchaser007 said.

We will see declines in fawn production and survival this coming summer, as well as declines in antler production per age-class.

And there's nothing that can be done about that now. Habitat managemenment (including cool-season food plots) would have been the best hedge against nutritional problems this winter and spring.
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#516451 - 12/04/07 06:12 PM Re: Making up for the lack of nutrition 2007 [Re: Greenhead]
hard county
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in areas which are not hunted, supplemental feeding would be a good idea, ive seen many commercials for a "golden nuggets" feed which has 17-18% protein, last year we experimented (after season) with cottonseed meal, soybean meal, and corn. the two types of meal are both high in protein and the corn is high in carbs as well as attraction. also, to get the most bang for your buck, i wouldnt use feeders which distribute feed on ground where it can be accessed by many small game animals. i believe the laws concerning feeders are that you cant hunt within x number of feet and also on any trail leading to the feeder, but to play it safe we either wait till the end of the season or stop hunting the area
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#516502 - 12/04/07 06:37 PM Re: Making up for the lack of nutrition 2007 [Re: hard county]
deerchaser007
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record rack golden nuggets are 13 to 14 percent crude protein. Deer corn by record rack is 8 percent. Only protein pellet feeds are 16 percent or higher in crude protein.
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#516511 - 12/04/07 06:46 PM Re: Making up for the lack of nutrition 2007 [Re: deerchaser007]
hard county
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 Originally Posted By: deerchaser007
record rack golden nuggets are 13 to 14 percent crude protein. Deer corn by record rack is 8 percent. Only protein pellet feeds are 16 percent or higher in crude protein.

ok, your right abou the record rack, i dont know where i heard that, but i do know that cottonseed meal is around 50% protein and soybean meal is around 45% protein
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#517109 - 12/05/07 07:05 AM Re: Making up for the lack of nutrition 2007 [Re: hard county]
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 Originally Posted By: hard county
in areas which are not hunted, supplemental feeding would be a good idea,


I strongly disagree with that comment.
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#517754 - 12/05/07 04:40 PM Re: Making up for the lack of nutrition 2007 [Re: BSK]
hard county
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: hard county
in areas which are not hunted, supplemental feeding would be a good idea,


I strongly disagree with that comment.

why?
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#517766 - 12/05/07 04:52 PM Re: Making up for the lack of nutrition 2007 [Re: hard county]
deerchaser007
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 Originally Posted By: hard county
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: hard county
in areas which are not hunted, supplemental feeding would be a good idea,


I strongly disagree with that comment.

why?


unsafe supplemental feeding practices lead to the spread of disease in wildlife
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