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#500203 - 11/20/07 07:32 AM Re: Is this the Down side to QDM? [Re: TAS]
fishboy1
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 Originally Posted By: TAS
How much time scouting, and working for deer season to open does a 3 to 4 times a year hunter put in? You can't expect them to present themselves broadside to you if you don't do your homework.

The future of hunting is in the hands of the people who think and work on it year round. Most people who only go 3 to 4 times a year probably wouldn't miss it that much.

Hey fishboy I see in one of the fishing threads that someone is advocating releasing fish so they will get LARGER!!!! What is this world coming to???? You better go check it out! \:D


Ok so what you sound like you are saying is that a 3-4 weekend a year hunter does not deserve a buck because he does not put the same amount of time and effort into his hunting as the die hard QDM guys.

So you want him to stop shooting small bucks, AND you dont think he deserves a big one since he doesn't hunt enough in your eyes, but he is supposed to keep hunting and like it or "quit hunting and not miss it that much".

That is exactly the elitist attitude that will backfire against hunters and especially the QDM or quit hunting crowd.

Guys, We need every hunter we can get to be out buying a license, enjoying the sport, and helping to keep our traditions alive. Without the average hunter, hunting would be like England where only the rich or privledged will be able to hunt.
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#500589 - 11/20/07 11:55 AM Re: Is this the Down side to QDM? [Re: fishboy1]
TAS
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No, don't put words in my mouth. Kholmes was saying how QDM doesn't make em dumber and how he has only killed two in five years of practicing. What I said, I said. Regardless of what kind of management you have, unless your baiting you cannot EXPECT to kill good deer if you don't put in the time scouting and you only go 3 to 4 times a year. When it comes to hunting it is what it is. The more you go the better your chances are.

The future of hunting IS in the hands of the diehard hunter because he is the one that will take the time and effort to work with kids and legislatures. I and one of the property owners next to me open our lands up for the juvenile hunt. They can shoot whatever they want. I don't see anyone that only hunts a couple times a year, building and putting up stands that will seat two in order to invite other peoples kids to hunt for free. Yes I practice QDM and I am a member of QDMA but I let kids and women shoot what they want. Why.. because that's the future of hunting. When the anti's see women and kids hunting it blows the whole beer drinking shoot anything sterotype out the window. I don't let experienced hunters on my propery shoot young bucks because I want to let the ones that the kids miss grow up to balance the herd. You can search all my posts and you will not see where I want to push QDM on anyone with regs or anything else. It is an individuals own decision. Though I will let someone know real quick if they start complaining about there not being any big ol bucks and they are shooting yearlings. I also have problems with contests when it comes to hunting but that's me.

My last statement was a joke and I'm sorry that you took it wrong. I just have a problem with people lumping everyone that practices QDM together. Oh yeah I own 413 acres that I worked my whole life to buy. I live in a single wide trailer right now in order to afford it. I don't think the elite live in single wide mobile homes! \:D
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#500693 - 11/20/07 01:04 PM Re: Is this the Down side to QDM? [Re: TAS]
Radar
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 Originally Posted By: TAS
No, don't put words in my mouth. Kholmes was saying how QDM doesn't make em dumber and how he has only killed two in five years of practicing. What I said, I said. Regardless of what kind of management you have, unless your baiting you cannot EXPECT to kill good deer if you don't put in the time scouting and you only go 3 to 4 times a year. When it comes to hunting it is what it is. The more you go the better your chances are.

The future of hunting IS in the hands of the diehard hunter because he is the one that will take the time and effort to work with kids and legislatures. I and one of the property owners next to me open our lands up for the juvenile hunt. They can shoot whatever they want. I don't see anyone that only hunts a couple times a year, building and putting up stands that will seat two in order to invite other peoples kids to hunt for free. Yes I practice QDM and I am a member of QDMA but I let kids and women shoot what they want. Why.. because that's the future of hunting. When the anti's see women and kids hunting it blows the whole beer drinking shoot anything sterotype out the window. I don't let experienced hunters on my propery shoot young bucks because I want to let the ones that the kids miss grow up to balance the herd. You can search all my posts and you will not see where I want to push QDM on anyone with regs or anything else. It is an individuals own decision. Though I will let someone know real quick if they start complaining about there not being any big ol bucks and they are shooting yearlings. I also have problems with contests when it comes to hunting but that's me.

My last statement was a joke and I'm sorry that you took it wrong. I just have a problem with people lumping everyone that practices QDM together. Oh yeah I own 413 acres that I worked my whole life to buy. I live in a single wide trailer right now in order to afford it. I don't think the elite live in single wide mobile homes! \:D




Tim you have a nice farm and have done well managing the habitat as well as the deer herd . You promote the positive aspects of hunting , such as hunting with family more than you do QDM .
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#500743 - 11/20/07 01:48 PM Re: Is this the Down side to QDM? [Re: TAS]
fishboy1
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 Originally Posted By: TAS
No, don't put words in my mouth. Kholmes was saying how QDM doesn't make em dumber and how he has only killed two in five years of practicing. What I said, I said. Regardless of what kind of management you have, unless your baiting you cannot EXPECT to kill good deer if you don't put in the time scouting and you only go 3 to 4 times a year. When it comes to hunting it is what it is. The more you go the better your chances are.

The future of hunting IS in the hands of the diehard hunter because he is the one that will take the time and effort to work with kids and legislatures. I and one of the property owners next to me open our lands up for the juvenile hunt. They can shoot whatever they want. I don't see anyone that only hunts a couple times a year, building and putting up stands that will seat two in order to invite other peoples kids to hunt for free. Yes I practice QDM and I am a member of QDMA but I let kids and women shoot what they want. Why.. because that's the future of hunting. When the anti's see women and kids hunting it blows the whole beer drinking shoot anything sterotype out the window. I don't let experienced hunters on my propery shoot young bucks because I want to let the ones that the kids miss grow up to balance the herd. You can search all my posts and you will not see where I want to push QDM on anyone with regs or anything else. It is an individuals own decision. Though I will let someone know real quick if they start complaining about there not being any big ol bucks and they are shooting yearlings. I also have problems with contests when it comes to hunting but that's me.

My last statement was a joke and I'm sorry that you took it wrong. I just have a problem with people lumping everyone that practices QDM together. Oh yeah I own 413 acres that I worked my whole life to buy. I live in a single wide trailer right now in order to afford it. I don't think the elite live in single wide mobile homes! \:D


TAS,
Thanks for the clarification. I salute you for your efforts to get more people involved in hunting. That is precisely the attitude we need more of in the hunting world!
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#500793 - 11/20/07 02:32 PM Re: Is this the Down side to QDM? [Re: fishboy1]
renegade50
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i would just like to get in on a good lease for next year, qdm or not. i shoot 8pt wider than ears or better and will take 1 late rifle prego doe and be allowed 1 guest (daughter),,, actually had this on the other classifieds. montgomery, stewart or surrounding county areas.. not a slob or novice hunter in any way... offers??? and i jest alot in my post if you all have not noticed at times....not a very social person, but am courteous

Edited by renegade50 (11/20/07 02:35 PM)
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#501209 - 11/20/07 07:44 PM Re: Is this the Down side to QDM? [Re: fishboy1]
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My neighbors simply told me to "Keep planting those big, lushes food plots...we kill a monster buck every year either leaving or going to your plots!" It lit a fire under me, but i just laughed and told them that I'm glad my blood and sweat helped them harvest a good buck. They own a tractor and a couple hundred acres of land just as I do, but they don't practice QDM. It really does make me jealous that they reep my work for thier benefit and could easily join me on creating new plots and harvesting older bucks. That's the hunting world as of today I guess, and it is what it is.
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#501621 - 11/21/07 05:53 AM Re: Is this the Down side to QDM? [Re: BoonerBucks]
renegade50
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 Originally Posted By: BoonerBucks
My neighbors simply told me to "Keep planting those big, lushes food plots...we kill a monster buck every year either leaving or going to your plots!" It lit a fire under me, but i just laughed and told them that I'm glad my blood and sweat helped them harvest a good buck. They own a tractor and a couple hundred acres of land just as I do, but they don't practice QDM. It really does make me jealous that they reep my work for thier benefit and could easily join me on creating new plots and harvesting older bucks. That's the hunting world as of today I guess, and it is what it is.
read an article about planting fast growing pines for cover to hold deer on your areas might try that and treat it as a sanctuary on your property..


Edited by renegade50 (11/21/07 05:56 AM)
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#501865 - 11/21/07 09:26 AM Re: Is this the Down side to QDM? [Re: BoonerBucks]
fishboy1
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 Originally Posted By: BoonerBucks
My neighbors simply told me to "Keep planting those big, lushes food plots...we kill a monster buck every year either leaving or going to your plots!" It lit a fire under me, but i just laughed and told them that I'm glad my blood and sweat helped them harvest a good buck. They own a tractor and a couple hundred acres of land just as I do, but they don't practice QDM. It really does make me jealous that they reep my work for thier benefit and could easily join me on creating new plots and harvesting older bucks. That's the hunting world as of today I guess, and it is what it is.


Maybe they do and maybe they dont. What exactly is a monster buck to them? 6pt, 8 pt, 160class 10pt?
Had one guy bragging about the huge KY bucks he killed every year. He had a couple 95-110" 8 pts and a 9 that might go 110-120max. Nice deer to be sure but huge?

Besides, who really cares? They are hunting legally on their land. The deer that you see and shoot on your property likely came from someone elses property. Unless you have 1000+ acres, chances are good that "your" deer are not living exclusively on your property.

Remember, Wildlife, including the deer that "you grew" are the property of the people of the state and dont belong to the landowner no matter how many plots you plant or little bucks you pass.
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#501987 - 11/21/07 10:49 AM Re: Is this the Down side to QDM? [Re: fishboy1]
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I will say this, I have had 2 bucks this year get shot by other guys that hunt on the property i hunt on. Each buck i let walk yet they killed it. does it kinda make me mad sure but really how much sense does that make. its not so much that they shot MY deer as it is I know for sure i wont see him next year now. Sure they were nice deer 110-120 class types so i HOPE they see them as absolute monsters (that atleast would help me sleep LOL).
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#502040 - 11/21/07 11:23 AM Re: Is this the Down side to QDM? [Re: REN]
renegade50
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 Originally Posted By: BamaBoy N Sumner CO
I will say this, I have had 2 bucks this year get shot by other guys that hunt on the property i hunt on. Each buck i let walk yet they killed it. does it kinda make me mad sure but really how much sense does that make. its not so much that they shot MY deer as it is I know for sure i wont see him next year now. Sure they were nice deer 110-120 class types so i HOPE they see them as absolute monsters (that atleast would help me sleep LOL).

ya should have just started screaming and chasing them 2 deer to educate them alittle bit that you let walk???? just an idea ???? hahahaaaaa!!!!


Edited by renegade50 (11/21/07 11:23 AM)
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