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#492404 - 11/13/07 08:33 PM Re: Moving Sanctuaries. [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
If I had more old pastures and openings, I would keep those in perpetual states of usable cover.


That brings up a question I've been wondering about for a while. What's the best way to get convert long-time pasture land into viable deer cover? Will it eventually grow in thick if grazing animals are removed or are other steps necessary to expedite the process?

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#492450 - 11/13/07 08:48 PM Re: Moving Sanctuaries. [Re: Knox Hntr]
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 Originally Posted By: Knox Hntr
 Originally Posted By: BSK
If I had more old pastures and openings, I would keep those in perpetual states of usable cover.


That brings up a question I've been wondering about for a while. What's the best way to get convert long-time pasture land into viable deer cover? Will it eventually grow in thick if grazing animals are removed or are other steps necessary to expedite the process?


As a cattle farmer, I can assure you it will grow up so thick you can't walk through it if not bushogged or cattle kept on it. If your gonna do that put some plots on it also.
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#492548 - 11/13/07 09:18 PM Re: Moving Sanctuaries. [Re: kholmes]
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#492799 - 11/14/07 06:19 AM Re: Moving Sanctuaries. [Re: Knox Hntr]
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 Originally Posted By: Knox Hntr
 Originally Posted By: BSK
If I had more old pastures and openings, I would keep those in perpetual states of usable cover.


That brings up a question I've been wondering about for a while. What's the best way to get convert long-time pasture land into viable deer cover? Will it eventually grow in thick if grazing animals are removed or are other steps necessary to expedite the process?


Correct, it will grow up on its own. The fallow field can then be matained in cover by breaking it up into sections and bush-hogging each section on a 3-4 year rotation. For instance, Section A gets bush-hogged in 2008, Section B 2009, Section C 2010, then back to Section A in 2011, etc...
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#492859 - 11/14/07 07:03 AM Re: Moving Sanctuaries. [Re: BSK]
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Thanks TAS and BSK.

My parents have been looking at hunting land in SW Virginia and much of it has significant pasture on it. I was afraid of having too much 'dead space' and too little cover around. Sounds like that need not be a problem.

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#492863 - 11/14/07 07:07 AM Re: Moving Sanctuaries. [Re: Knox Hntr]
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For me, as a habitat manager, I look at pasture as wonderful "blank slate" habitat. I love pastures because I can do anything I want to them. I can plant them or maintain them into anything I want. I can be as creative as I want to be. I can turn them into any type of forest I want; I can turn them into food plots; I can turn them into cover; I can make one pasture all 3 habitat types in any shape I want.
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#492939 - 11/14/07 08:04 AM Re: Moving Sanctuaries. [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
For me, as a habitat manager, I look at pasture as wonderful "blank slate" habitat. I love pastures because I can do anything I want to them. I can plant them or maintain them into anything I want. I can be as creative as I want to be. I can turn them into any type of forest I want; I can turn them into food plots; I can turn them into cover; I can make one pasture all 3 habitat types in any shape I want.


That beings up a serious question for me. We have a considerable amount of river bottom land on our property that we currently lease out to local framers. They plant corn and soy in them on alternating years. Right now, the fields have corn/soy in them just during the growing season and are pretty much fallow the rest of the year. Would we be better off letting these fields grow over (and including foodplots on portions of them) or continuing to let them be used for agricultrual purposes? Which would have the biggest positive impact for the herd?

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#493047 - 11/14/07 09:37 AM Re: Moving Sanctuaries. [Re: dhines]
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Dennis,

Good to see you back on here. I'd think the ag crops really help your deer based on the parts of the property I've seen.

What percentages of your property would you say are in hardwood, pines (how old), foodplots/ag?

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#493242 - 11/14/07 12:07 PM Re: Moving Sanctuaries. [Re: Stick'n'String]
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dhines,

That depends on what the rest of the property's habitat is.
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#493291 - 11/14/07 12:47 PM Re: Moving Sanctuaries. [Re: BSK]
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We have a total of about 1400 acres. About 50 acres are fields - maybe 35 of which are river bottom planted in corn/soy. The remaining fields are either food plots or left to natural browse. About 900 acres are rough, hilly 10 year-old clear-cuts and about 75 acres is a 4 year old clear cut. The remaining 300 or so acres are hardwoods.

Based on the replies, I'm guessing what you'd recommend is leaving the ag stuff and focus on continuing to open up hardwoods and the aging clearcuts?

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