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#477350 - 11/01/07 04:32 PM Re: young bucks chasing -- question [Re: Greg .]
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I'm wondering, Bryan. Is the suppression fairly evident? I mean, I understand that it's normal NOW, but if young bucks in my area continue to stay active and aggressive (over the next couple weeks), would it be reasonable to conclude that there weren't (m)any dominant older bucks around?

Thanks.
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#477381 - 11/01/07 04:54 PM Re: young bucks chasing -- question [Re: Greg .]
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What I would look for Greg is "true" estrus chases and whether yearling bucks are the only ones involved. And by true estrus chases, I don't mean the flat-out chasing and pestering, but the very ritualistic estrus "dance" that is part of the whitetail's mating ritual. In this dance, the doe skitters ahead of the buck 10 to 20 yards, then stops and looks back to make sure the buck is still following, then as he gets close, she skitters away again. The buck will be following in a "submissive" body posturing, with head down and usually grunting softly and almost continuously.

When yearling bucks are being supressed, expect to see few if any yearling bucks involved in true estrus chases.

Before we started managing my place, the only true estrus chases we ever saw (and those were few), involved yearling bucks. Yet in the last 12 years, we haven't seen a single estrus chase being conducted by a yearling buck. If it's an estrus chase, guaranteed it will be an older buck doing the following. And now we see estrus chases nearly daily during the peak of the rut.

The problem is, so few hunters have ever seen a true estrus chase. When hunters say "bucks are chasing does" what they are usually seeing is just pestering chases, or "just prior to breeding" chases where the doe is running scared flat-out through the woods with a buck or two hot on her tail. A true estrus chase is definitely a slower, more ritualistic process, and rarely takes place faster than a trot.
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#477388 - 11/01/07 04:58 PM Re: young bucks chasing -- question [Re: BSK]
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Thank you, Bryan.

Dang, I love this forum. \:\)
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#477395 - 11/01/07 05:02 PM Re: young bucks chasing -- question [Re: BSK]
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One other really simplistic thing to look for is, during the peak of the rut are you seeing yearling bucks feeding in food plots and overgrown fields just like they were does? You won't see mature bucks feeding around in open fields during the peak of the rut--they are are all seeking and breeding.
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