yea i just hate when they die quick & leave no blood trail \:D i havent lost 1 yet shooting them from 245g-295g & most were shot with a 295,i may not find a 1 this year if i ever get a shot ;),hope everybody gets there rifle shooting good with whatever they have confidence in because if you have no faith in your choice you aint never going to be happy,mike243
prayers sent for our friends in need every day