#438053 - 10/09/07 12:03 PM
Re: Youngun First Rifle Help?
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FULLDRAWXX75
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First things to keep in mind as already mentioned fit and reaction factor. Meaning, if the recoil hurts or causes negitive reaction from the shooter, the interest level drops real quick like.
My first gun was a 12 ga. single barrel, light weight and kicked like a mule. (it felt like it back then) I didn't like it much, but if I was gonna hunt it was that or nothing.
May have done more shooting earlier on if the thought of getting kicked didn't enter the picture.
It has to enjoyable not a pain.
The choice of the .243 or 7mm-08, I personally would lean towards the 7mm-08.
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#438141 - 10/09/07 12:52 PM
Re: Youngun First Rifle Help?
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.243 winchester in a H&R single shot like everyone else said.
Or if you can get your hands on it then get you a 6.8SPC or maybe a .30-30
The .30-30 has been a wicked starter gun for decades.
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#438185 - 10/09/07 01:21 PM
Re: Youngun First Rifle Help?
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Did I mention that you guys rock?
This gives me a ton to think about. Research time. He's going to be a happy camper. Thanks all, and I'll be checking in to see if the discussion continues.
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#438600 - 10/09/07 04:51 PM
Re: Youngun First Rifle Help?
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243, 7mm08, 260 rem all good deer killers. the 243 BAR i have seen drop alot of deer that my buddy uses speaks for itself with winchester 100 gr power points the military should have chambered for 243 instead of 223 looking back in retrospect for killing power.
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#438759 - 10/09/07 06:55 PM
Re: Youngun First Rifle Help?
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most lost deer shot with a rifle were shot with a 243 or 30-30. the 243 is a capable gun in an EXPERIENCED shooters hands. the 30-30 makes a good emergency boat paddle. as already has been mentioned, the 7mm-08 is the perfect youth caliber.
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#439019 - 10/09/07 08:15 PM
Re: Youngun First Rifle Help?
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TRHC
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I debated this exact scenario all summer. I settled on trying some .308 Managed Recoil loads from Remington. In my Encore, felt recoil was very light so I let my son give it a try. To my surprise, he fell in love with MY rifle. I have since cut down the stock and installed a Sims pad. On our first real range session, he was stacking bullet holes on top of each other at 50 yards. Out of the first box of ammo, I only got in 4 shots. He wanted to keep shooting. I am elated that the managed recoil loads worked out the way they did. Now, he can graduate up to full house loads as he gets bigger. I'd definitely recommend these loads for small statured or recoil sensitive shooters. BTW, my son is six and weighs less than 60 pounds. Good luck. TRHC.
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#439092 - 10/09/07 08:30 PM
Re: Youngun First Rifle Help?
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7mm-08, but then again I am partial. Shells are more expensive and if cost is a concern then go with a 308.
From a guy named Sundra in Buckmaster's website on 30-30 and 7mm-08.
"Should anyone think that qualifying my cartridge choice based on eastern hunting involves too much compromising, consider that even the least potent of this trio delivers more than 1,500 foot-pounds of energy at 300 yards. Is that adequate? Well, the .30-30 Win, a cartridge that has undoubtedly accounted for more white-tailed deer than any other in the 111 years it’s been around, doesn’t deliver that much punch at 100 yards (actually, it’s at about 80 yards that the .30-30 drops below that). I don’t know who or how they came up with a minimum of 1,000 foot-pounds as the yardstick for lethality on deer-size game, but would anyone argue that inside 80 yards, the .30-30 is not one lethal deer-harvesting machine?
Any doubts as to the capabilities of the 7mm-08 Rem should be dispelled when comparing it to the legendary 7x57 Mauser and the near mystical lethality attributed to it (I’ll spare you the “Karamojo” Bell elephant stories). That formidable reputation was based on a conservative 175-grain round-nose factory load at around 2,450 fps. I say “conservative” because in deference to whatever Model 93 Mausers are still floating around, 7x57 factory ammo has always been loaded to pressure levels that are about 10 percent less than, say, the .308 Win or 7mm-08 Rem.
Once our ammo makers got around to loading lighter and more versatile spitzer bullets in the 7x57, typical 140-grain factory loads exited around 2,660 fps, but that’s still at the lower pressure limit. The 7mm-08, on the other hand, sends that same 140-grain bullet anywhere from 2,770 to 2,860 fps. Bottom line: Whatever the 7x57 can do ballistically, the 7mm-08 can match. Again, though, that’s comparing factory loads. The fact that the volume of the Mauser case is virtually identical to that of the .308 Win means that handloaders can equal 7mm-08 performance if using the same pressure levels, which is safe to do in any modern bolt-action rifle.
The most popular and best-suited deer load among the 7mm-08 factory offerings are the various 140-grain polycarbonate-tipped bullets, which is what I’d normally use in a handload. Exiting at a realistic 2,800 fps (22-inch barrel) and zeroed dead-on at 200 yards, my point of impact at 250 yards is minus 3 inches. At 300 yards, POI is minus 7.3 inches, retained energy is a hefty 1,600 foot-pounds, and retained velocity is still an impressive 2,300 fps.
That’s at 300 yards! Even cutting that back to 250, how many whitetails east of the Mississippi are taken at ranges in excess of that? And remember, we’re not including beanfield hunters who deliberately post themselves on stands where they’re actually hoping for a 300- or 400-yard shot. I wish I had some statistical data to back me up, but I’ll bet that more than 95 percent of all eastern whitetails harvested are taken inside 250 yards. And at that distance, the 7mm-08 is more than enough gun. It’s also flat-shooting enough that hitting out to that range is no problem . . . on paper anyway. The real world is something else again. You need a real steady rest to make a 250-yard shot, and bench-steady shooting platforms are scarce in deer country!
Aside from its more than adequate ballistics, I like the 7mm-08 because the typical guns chambered for it are carbines. Since it has ballistics to spare, the loss of a few feet per second in exchange for a 20- or 22-inch barrel is no big thing. I’m not a fan of ultralight rifles, but for deer hunting I can appreciate a short, fast-handling rig that with scope, sling and a full magazine weighs around 81/2 pounds. As such, I’m looking at 14.7 foot-pounds of recoil. Putting that in a relative context, a same weight .30-06 backs up to the tune of nearly 20 foot-pounds, pushing a 165-grain bullet.
Now, I’m not particularly recoil-shy – in my line of work, I can’t afford to be – but after a couple hundred-thousand rounds, you come to appreciate cartridges that are efficient, i.e., have all the performance needed to get the job done under any likely circumstance, without subjecting one to unnecessary recoil. In that respect, I’m like a silhouette shooter. I want a cartridge that will reliably knock down that most distant target with a minimum of recoil. Trust me on this: The less recoil, the better one can shoot . . . under any circumstance.
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#439186 - 10/09/07 08:51 PM
Re: Youngun First Rifle Help?
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Ditto. I have the same rifle that I use to this day. Never had a deer go overe 20 yards with this rifle. With a 95 grain bullet he will be just fine. Always shoot for the lungs and put meat in the freezer. Marlin is now doing the trigger work from the factory and they are about 3 pounds and very crisp. For around $220 this a good rifle for the woods of TN.
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Some say it's a great caliber for deer and others say it doesn't have enough knock down power and others say you have to have a "perfect" shot to drop a deer or it will run off and die. 
