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#437156 - 10/08/07 09:05 PM Round Ball or Conical?
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I would really appreciate some opinions on muzzleloading projectiles. I've got a replica .45 cal. plains rifle (Traditions) with a 1:48" twist. I've always shot patched round balls at the range and have not hunted much with this rifle. I want to use it during the upcomming muzzleloading season and would like to try some of the newer projectiles. Would anyone have some adive on a good choice?
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#437958 - 10/09/07 11:02 AM Re: Round Ball or Conical? [Re: ]
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Here's my opinion that won't be popular with the inliners or the traditionalists. DON'T hunt with round-balls (I've seen many deer lost to round-balls)--they don't have the penetrating power. Don't use sabotted pistol bullets. Use heavy full-diameter lead conicals in a 1:48 twist gun, like T/C MaxiHunters and Maxi-Balls (or Buffalo Bullets or any of the full-diameter lead conicals).
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#438154 - 10/09/07 12:59 PM Re: Round Ball or Conical? [Re: BSK]
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How many deer do you think was killed with a patched round ball? Before the invention of modern day ammo. Everything from squirrels to buffalo.
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#438244 - 10/09/07 02:00 PM Re: Round Ball or Conical? [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: renegade50
know your gun and load, know your limits, most of all know where to hit em!!!!

Very good advice!

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#438252 - 10/09/07 02:04 PM Re: Round Ball or Conical? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
Here's my opinion that won't be popular with the inliners or the traditionalists. DON'T hunt with round-balls (I've seen many deer lost to round-balls)--they don't have the penetrating power. Don't use sabotted pistol bullets. Use heavy full-diameter lead conicals in a 1:48 twist gun, like T/C MaxiHunters and Maxi-Balls (or Buffalo Bullets or any of the full-diameter lead conicals).

Yeah, but they are legal. As has already been said, you have to know your rifle,loads, and limits. Probably more deer lost with arrows than roundballs.

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#438334 - 10/09/07 02:34 PM Re: Round Ball or Conical? [Re: Matador]
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I said it wouldn't be popular!

I've watched patched round-balls not penetrate through a broadside deer way too many times, even at fairly close range.
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#442882 - 10/11/07 06:07 PM Re: Round Ball or Conical? [Re: BSK]
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I've killed several deer with a ball. Most of the time the ball is found on the off side right under the skin, so my experience is as BSK suggests: full penetration is not the norm unless the deer is very close.
The ball I use expands to about the size of a quarter. I had one weighed at Hunt's, back when Mr. Hunt was still the owner, and it had lost very little weight. I carry one of those expanded balls for good luck (hey, who knows?).
This is using a .50 Jack Garner semi custom flinter with 90 grains FFF (the most accurate load). Now that I have glasses and can use irons again, I will go back to using this great rifle.
I would agree that many more deer are not recovered with arrows than round balls.
While rifles that shoot round balls (accurately) may be underpowered by today's standards, shot placement is the key, not penetration. You can blow through a deer with a 7MM Mag, but if it was a gut shot, you might not recover the deer. Shoot a deer through the boiler room with a round ball and it is your's, full penetration or not.
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#443038 - 10/11/07 08:04 PM Re: Round Ball or Conical? [Re: Hawkeye5]
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I will agree 100% with Hawkeye5,

I have taken a few with a round ball also, here is a pic of one before and after. The after was found while skinning a doe, opposite shoulder between meat and hide. 75 yd shot, .54 cal w/90gr FFF.



The ball is half as thick and over twice as round now.


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PS: That deer only went 30 yds.
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#443098 - 10/11/07 08:22 PM Re: Round Ball or Conical? [Re: FULLDRAWXX75]
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If it doesn't go all the way through, I'm not shooting it. I've seen bucks shot with a round-ball in the chest that were lost in late evening shooting situations.

No full penetration; no blood trail; potentially lost deer.
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#443163 - 10/11/07 08:44 PM Re: Round Ball or Conical? [Re: BSK]
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I can respect that BSK, I to have seen deer shot with many different weapon, not recovered. More with a bow than any other.

Like Hawkeye5 stated, shot placement is very important no matter what you are using.

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