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#446776 - 10/14/07 07:39 AM Re: Round Ball or Conical? [Re: renegade50]
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 Originally Posted By: renegade50
then again we got to throw the equation of rate of twist into it also for different projectile useage, it is a trial with weapon charges and projectiles and hopefully not error thing out in the woods because of lack of homework so to speak not being done. which alot of inexperienced hunters with muzzleloaders have been known to do when they 1st start out.


Isn't that the truth! MZs are definitely trial and error guns.
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#447926 - 10/14/07 07:48 PM Re: Round Ball or Conical? [Re: renegade50]
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Hickory Nut. Try http://www.whiterifles.com. Doc White has produced some awesome guns. All his rifles are designed to shoot heavy slugs. You can order his bullets online. Roger Raglin shot his stuff for years.
As you know if its good enough for Roger, its good enough for anybody.
I have some heavy slugs I would give you, but they are .50 cal.
If anyone is interested they are the White super slugs. No idea what weight. PM me if you want them.
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#448120 - 10/14/07 09:20 PM Re: Round Ball or Conical? [Re: FULLDRAWXX75]
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Thanks for the good advice. Above all, I want to make a clean kill. I've still got a couple of weeks to try some new projectiles and see how I like them.
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#448339 - 10/14/07 10:44 PM Re: Round Ball or Conical? [Re: Hickory Nut]
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Back to your original question, how deep are the groove sin your rifle? My really good shooting patched ball rifles have very deep grooves, so I can use thick pillow ticking patches. Some, if not most, conicals need slightly shallower or wider grooves to get a goodgas seal.

1 in 48" also is a bit fast for some round ball rifles, though it can be done. Mine are 1:60".

The TC Maxiball was designed for their Hawken rifles, qhich if I'm not mistaken, have 1:48" twist and relatively shallow grooves.
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#449091 - 10/15/07 12:19 PM Re: Round Ball or Conical? [Re: jakeway]
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As some may know, I am a proponent of the patched roundball for deer-sized and smaller ML game.
Why? I began hunting with MLs in the early '70s and every deer I've taken since then has been taken with the patched roundball. I've never lost a deer known to have been hit. I've never had one travel much over 100 yds. and the majority have gone down within sight. For me and the way I hunt I'd say that's about as lethal as it gets. That isn't to say that would be true for everyone. I have also not had any problem getting full penetration using moderate loads. However I do not expect good blood trails with roundballs. Due to a color vision problem, it is very dificult to identify even a great bloodtrail (except maybe on snow); so this is not a real issue for me. I much prefer just walking over to the dead deer in any case.

The big advantage the roundball has over other projectiles is lack of expense. Using full power roundball loads and loose powder can be almost as cheap as shooting .22 RF. This allows a person of modest means to do a great deal more shooting for practice, tayloring loads, and small game. A man that can confidently take small game and/or varments with his ML is likely to find deer a slam-dunk.

The first deer my Son took hunting entirely on his own was taken with a .45 roundball over 60grs. Pyrodex.

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#453471 - 10/17/07 12:42 PM Re: Round Ball or Conical? [Re: Hickory Nut]
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 Originally Posted By: Hickory Nut
I would really appreciate some opinions on muzzleloading projectiles. I've got a replica .45 cal. plains rifle (Traditions) with a 1:48" twist. I've always shot patched round balls at the range and have not hunted much with this rifle. I want to use it during the upcomming muzzleloading season and would like to try some of the newer projectiles. Would anyone have some adive on a good choice?


I would like to see what combo works best for you. I too am shooting a TC w/ 1:48 twist. Over the years I've shot a big conical but can't seem to find the "best load" for accuracy. I've tried several different combos w/ round balls and maxiballs w/ pyrodex and black powder. It seems that 1:48 twist is just "ok" for both but not the best for either. Interested to see what you go with.

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#456789 - 10/18/07 09:15 PM Re: Round Ball or Conical? [Re: ]
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try some MAXI-HUNTERS in .45 with 70g FFFg they work OK out of a Cherokee (kick like a mule in that lite rifle) groups are less than 2" @ 75yrds,I won't use it out further than that.The rifle is not as accurate as my Omega or GreyHawk but it is a joy to carry
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#457478 - 10/19/07 07:27 AM Re: Round Ball or Conical? [Re: majg1234]
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majg1234,

If you want to feel "kick" I'll introduce you to my Kodiak Express double-barrel 58 shooting 120 grn FFg pushing 620 grn lead conicals. I break into a cold sweat just thinking about shooting that gun!
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#457645 - 10/19/07 10:12 AM Re: Round Ball or Conical? [Re: BSK]
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If you want to feel "kick" I'll introduce you to my Kodiak Express double-barrel 58 shooting 120 grn FFg pushing 620 grn lead conicals. I break into a cold sweat just thinking about shooting that gun!
You big sissy!
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#458638 - 10/20/07 08:58 AM Re: Round Ball or Conical? [Re: CHRIS WILSON]
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You've got that right Chris! When it comes to that gun, I am a sissy. It knocks me into last week.
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