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#404611 - 09/18/07 07:19 PM Does w/ fawns...do you shoot?
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Ok I'm sure this comes up every year. So your sitting in your tree in the early season and here comes a doe w/ a kid(s) in tow. Do you let it fly or let her go? Just curious as to what yall would do cause I know everyone has a different opinion on this. Personally I've let them walk in the past but I think I may change my mind this season. I know I've read somewhere that the does will push there little boys out of the area once they come into estrous. What's your thoughts?
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#404633 - 09/18/07 07:31 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: ]
HOOK
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Tpyically....by this time of year fawns can last just fine without mom around so you're not hurting anything. I have a personal preference and that is not to shoot a doe with fawns in tow, but that's just a personal preference.
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#404641 - 09/18/07 07:33 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: ]
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By now the fawns can fend for themselves. They are alredy weaned and eating like adults. I would let er fly!!!
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#404651 - 09/18/07 07:36 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Rut-N-Strut]
bluehawk
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I say im going to change my mind every year, but I just cant do it. It doesnt bother me if someone does, just like hook said its a personal preference.
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#404657 - 09/18/07 07:38 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Rut-N-Strut]
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Yea I would think they would be ok but the past few seasons I've been seeing some tiny fawns during early bow season. I've never seen one nursing so I guess they would be alright. You think the yotes could get them easier without mom around?
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#404684 - 09/18/07 07:46 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: ]
Goat66
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No, but only because I'm a softy and I feel sorry for them. Can't say I have a valid reason.
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#404742 - 09/18/07 08:04 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Goat66]
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I say kill the whole fam damily.
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#404747 - 09/18/07 08:05 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Goat66]
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I'd shoot the fawn and put it in my wagon. ;\)

Seriously, if the fawn is weaned, I will shoot the doe if she's of decent size. I've been out 3 times (here in NC opening day was the 8th). Two of those times I had a smallish doe (not a shooter for me) come in with her fawn (the first time he even nursed), and I let her go. At any rate, a fawn will usually hook up with another doe group rather quickly if orphaned.

The other time out, I saw nothing ... not even a squirrel. Time to switch locations, I reckon.
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#404750 - 09/18/07 08:07 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Greg .]
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shoot momma everytime
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#404786 - 09/18/07 08:14 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: ]
Carlos Viagra
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No, I try not to shoot the does if they have smaller fawns. Once they get up to about 80 lbs or so they are fair game.
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#404792 - 09/18/07 08:16 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: ]
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I just can't shoot momma with fawns in tow. I tried once but I just couldn't do it. Don't blame anyone for doing it but I just can't.

Edited by OneShot (09/18/07 08:18 PM)

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#404807 - 09/18/07 08:20 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: OneShot]
Carlos Viagra
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The worst part about it is when you are field dressing the doe and the little ones come up and then go 'maaamma... mmaammaa...'

Just not my bag.
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#404815 - 09/18/07 08:23 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: ]
tennoutdrsman
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just can't do it..i let 'em walk..
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#404835 - 09/18/07 08:29 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: tennoutdrsman]
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Heck yea I do. In 2-3 weeks them fawns will be gray and just a "small doe". I don't see any point in holding out for three weeks just so they LOOK older.


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#404850 - 09/18/07 08:32 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: ]
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#404871 - 09/18/07 08:36 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: bonekelektr]
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nope.......... i will not do it.
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#404888 - 09/18/07 08:43 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: ]
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I did the same as crzy4deer last year and almost had to chunck rocks at them. would i do it again? depends on the mood i was in.
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#404901 - 09/18/07 08:50 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: treehanger27]
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Shoot Momma, And if'n the fawns stay around Double up!



If they are out of spots!
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#404908 - 09/18/07 08:51 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: spctbone]
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Yes. Shoot mama first and the fawns will come back for a closer shot \:\) ......cbu taught me that \:\)
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#404943 - 09/18/07 08:59 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: deerchaser007]
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year before last, I took a doe with 2 lilones, but there was another doe with her and the fawns went with her.

Of course when I hit her she went streight doewn and started belowing (sp) and the fawns didn't know why she couldn't move.

I doubt I will do it again. there will be plenty of chances to fill the freezer later, without making myself regreat a shot.

but it was a good shot. ;\)
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#405035 - 09/18/07 09:30 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: remke]
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#405067 - 09/18/07 09:42 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: ]
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I love this site (but yall aint get'n my beer)...you can tell we are hunters with an appreciation of wildlife and not just killers...As with most I would and have let them walk on by...not for any other reason than personal preference...as already stated, it does not bother me either if someone else does it, I know the little fur balls will be fine.
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#405076 - 09/18/07 09:46 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: mr.big]
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Shoot the momma, then hit a can call a few times. It works best if mom drops on the spot. The can call will bring them back in for a chip shot. I'm hunting, not watching "Bambi"

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#405094 - 09/18/07 09:52 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: PMC, certified]
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 Originally Posted By: PMC®
Shoot the momma, then hit a can call a few times. It works best if mom drops on the spot. The can call will bring them back in for a chip shot. I'm hunting, not watching "Bambi"

Pmc®


I guess that will take care of my 3 antlerless deer/day in unit L. \:o

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#405112 - 09/18/07 10:03 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: ]
tater head
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no sir re- just wont do it, you cant tell me that there is not a maternal/fawn "kindness", just cant take that away from them......just my prefrence though:)
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#405130 - 09/18/07 10:14 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: ]
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Nope, Not even!
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#405151 - 09/18/07 10:27 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: ]
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With the price of gas and the $136 for a license I sometimes do. I just love playing in guts! It depends on the situation. But I will only shoot pot bellied bone! I figure the tit is about dry and momma did her job. Sometimes early season Macdaddy will be right with her but not for long. I seen it twice so far. For one of those moments you know the MUZZY ones. (149" & 153")
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#405322 - 09/19/07 06:16 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: taz]
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Nope. \:\)
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#405383 - 09/19/07 07:26 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: MUP]
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My rule of thumb is if she has one or two with here she gets a free pass, I don't shoot fawns (with spots), just my rule, but I will say as the weather changes and the deers coat changes so do the rules!!

When there are no spots, free rain on them all!! \:\/
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#405393 - 09/19/07 07:30 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Viper (tp)]
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AMAZING!

I never realized there were so many "kind" hunters around!!

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#405424 - 09/19/07 07:39 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: 102]
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Shoot the doe first, then shoot the fawns as they stand around confused.
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#405435 - 09/19/07 07:45 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: ]
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I let her walk - I need her to disperse her male fawn from the area to prevent inbreeding -

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#405446 - 09/19/07 07:51 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Viper (tp)]
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Absolutely! Especially if they have 2 fawns. That usually indicates a 2-1/2 year old or older doe, and a larger body size ... more meat.
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#405477 - 09/19/07 08:03 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: ]
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Yes, I orphan fawns every year!
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#405549 - 09/19/07 08:23 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: PMC, certified]
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 Originally Posted By: PMC®
Shoot the momma, then hit a can call a few times. It works best if mom drops on the spot. The can call will bring them back in for a chip shot. I'm hunting, not watching "Bambi"

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#405570 - 09/19/07 08:30 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: 4onaside]
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SHOOT momma everytime!
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#405607 - 09/19/07 08:46 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: 4onaside]
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 Originally Posted By: 4onaside
It becomes apparent why you were such a big advocate of telecheck.


What the Heayl does that have to do with shooting a doe with fawns?

I am for Tele-check too!
The reason why. Because around here too many rag-heads run the stores and they wont check deer!
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#405626 - 09/19/07 10:05 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: spctbone]
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I am indeed a big advocate of a more modern check in system. I only killed 5 deer last year.

You are obviously unaware of just how many check stations are closed during the evenings, weekends, and holidays. Thankfully the TWRC has chenged the rules to allow those of us who do kill deer an opportunity to legally check deer the next day.

Enjoy your typing your crumudgeon response, I look forward to not reading it.

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#405704 - 09/19/07 10:33 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: PMC, certified]
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Only thing I gotta say about shooting the fawns besides they are tender. IMO Make dang sure your not shootin the buttons!
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#405749 - 09/19/07 10:43 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: TAS]
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i have in the past but in the past few years i have let them walk. i see alot of 2-3 famwns with two older does if thats the case i will take one.
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#405758 - 09/19/07 10:47 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: TAS]
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Whether you see them or not, most 2 1/2-yr-old (and older) does should have a fawn nearby. And in healthy deer herds, many of the yearling does will also have fawns (visible in tow or not). The yearling does would have been late-bred when they were actually 6 to 8-month old fawns themselves. You have less chance of killing a doe with fawns if you go for a yearling doe, but in doing this, you can easily kill a button buck fawn while thinking it is a yearling doe.

But as long as the spots are gone, the surviving fawns should survive just fine if you take the momma doe. I personally prefer not to take a doe with young fawns in tow (in early bow season), but chances are better than not that any doe you kill will have a fawn nearby. It's just me, but I "feel" better about taking does later in October, when fawns, seen or unseen, just happen to be a few weeks older.

That said, I do plan to take a doe or two this weekend, just don't plan to take one with spotted fawns in tow.

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#405790 - 09/19/07 10:57 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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i orphaned a fawn with my second bow kill last year. she had a button tagging along with her (didnt really know it was a button). you could just BARELY see his last couple spots on his hams. i thwacked her and they both took off, about 5 minutes later i hear a deer running back so i got ready and sure enough the button came back and stood not 2 feet from my ladder. let him walk of course. i saw him again the next day and he seemed fine..just browsing around like normal, except for glancing around a little more often.
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#405793 - 09/19/07 10:57 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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One other thing:

Some studies have shown that orphaned male fawns are more likely to survive to the age of 2 1/2 or older, than non-orphaned male fawns, which is part of the reason some will say, "if you want more bucks, shoot more does." Another reason you might have more bucks is because these same studies have shown that orphaned male fawns are less likely to disperse from their birth areas. So with normal dispersal distances exceeding a mile (sometimes many miles), targeting does with male fawns (aka button bucks) can be a management plan for increasing your resident buck population.

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#405802 - 09/19/07 10:59 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Nope, she walks if baby still has spots
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#405804 - 09/19/07 11:01 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: WesParrish
One other thing:

Some studies have shown that orphaned male fawns are more likely to survive to the age of 2 1/2 or older, than non-orphaned male fawns, which is part of the reason some will say, "if you want more bucks, shoot more does." Another reason you might have more bucks is because these same studies have shown that orphaned male fawns are less likely to disperse from their birth areas. So with normal dispersal distances exceeding a mile (sometimes many miles), targeting does with male fawns (aka button bucks) can be a management plan for increasing your resident buck population.


Very interesting data Wes! \:\)
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#405831 - 09/19/07 11:12 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: MUP]
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I purposely target does with fawns. More likely to orphan button bucks and keep them around (orphaned button bucks are less likely to disperse as yearlings). One of my proudest kills was a big momma doe with triplet button bucks.
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#405929 - 09/19/07 12:12 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: spctbone]
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 Originally Posted By: spctbone
Shoot Momma, And if'n the fawns stay around Double up!



If they are out of spots!



little 'uns just grow to be big 'uns...
(momma - every time I am so inclined...) I try not to shoot babies....
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#405947 - 09/19/07 12:20 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: BSK]
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Nope, not if they're early-born fawns. The way I see it, if the doe's made it this far then she'll also show the fawns how to survive the coming winter. Besides, there's enough does running around without fawns, that I can take all I need without targeting the ones with youngins.

Example: The pic shows the doe and fawns that I would pass. The fawns were still "bumping" the does belly wanting to feed.

In the back is a much bigger fawn running with two yearling bucks!

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#405948 - 09/19/07 12:21 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: BSK]
CopperHead77
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
I purposely target does with fawns. More likely to orphan button bucks and keep them around (orphaned button bucks are less likely to disperse as yearlings). One of my proudest kills was a big momma doe with triplet button bucks.

Hmmmm I may reconsider, good point
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#406245 - 09/19/07 02:21 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: CopperHead77]
gil1
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I'd pass on a spotted fawn, but I've never seen one during deer season. The rest of the does are fair game.

Since there are no negative survival ramifications, why not shoot them? I have tremendous respect for all deer, but I like being at the top of the food chain.
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#406312 - 09/19/07 02:41 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: ]
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gil1,

I would probably pass on shooting a spotted fawn (if I ever saw one during MZ season), but I've certainly purposefully killed female fawns. The only good female deer is dead female deer!

...and they taste great too!
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#406361 - 09/19/07 03:02 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: BSK]
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Pass on fawns? Everything that I have ever read on the subject of shooting game animals gives the same advice. Pick a small "spot" when you are aiming. What else could they mean by that?

Shoot them small and cook them whole.
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#406365 - 09/19/07 03:03 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: CPerkins]
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#406397 - 09/19/07 03:13 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: ]
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I let them walk if the fawns are small or have spots. Even if I suspect they are fawns, I will let the doe walk
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#406423 - 09/19/07 03:28 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
I purposely target does with fawns. More likely to orphan button bucks and keep them around (orphaned button bucks are less likely to disperse as yearlings). One of my proudest kills was a big momma doe with triplet button bucks.


Excellent Point...

I may have to lay a few down.
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#406473 - 09/19/07 03:48 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: MattBarlow]
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If there spot free there good as gone! You can't eat it if you don't shot it. If she has some in tow that are spot free shoot the fawn first, cause mama with come looking for baby, then let her have it!
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#406890 - 09/19/07 09:13 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: wskp1]
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 Originally Posted By: wskp1
If there spot free there good as gone! You can't eat it if you don't shot it. If she has some in tow that are spot free shoot the fawn first, cause mama with come looking for baby, then let her have it!

If given teh chance I do it the other way around. Shoot mamma and them fawns will coem around lookign for her. it's their first season, so they aren't to wise.
mamma on the other hand will leave them fawns if she feels threatened.

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#406979 - 09/19/07 10:01 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Crappie Luck]
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#406981 - 09/19/07 10:02 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
 Originally Posted By: wskp1
If there spot free there good as gone! You can't eat it if you don't shot it. If she has some in tow that are spot free shoot the fawn first, cause mama with come looking for baby, then let her have it!

If given teh chance I do it the other way around. Shoot mamma and them fawns will coem around lookign for her. it's their first season, so they aren't to wise.
mamma on the other hand will leave them fawns if she feels threatened.

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#406991 - 09/19/07 10:07 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Rut-N-Strut]
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 Originally Posted By: Rut-N-Strut
By now the fawns can fend for themselves. They are alredy weaned and eating like adults. I would let er fly!!!
ditto
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#406997 - 09/19/07 10:10 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: pety221]
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#407001 - 09/19/07 10:12 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Crappie Luck]
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For all of you spotted fawn shooters, it ought to be a good year for you. I saw one with two, another with two and another with one today at mid-day on my acres. Not looking long nor hard, but easy to spot when they are eating in the pasture on my mastless place.
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#407074 - 09/20/07 12:09 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: WesParrish
studies have shown that orphaned male fawns are less likely to disperse from their birth areas.

yep thats what i have always heard. if the fawn is a button his mom gets thwacked...less i can tell he is REAL young.

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#407096 - 09/20/07 03:47 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: ]
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aslong as the fawn has no spots i am trying to kill mother first then kids this is on my place because you see 20 at a time
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#407098 - 09/20/07 04:14 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: 8pointbetter]
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nope, i don't kill babies.I'm a full grown deer hunter.
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#407401 - 09/20/07 09:04 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: XMAN]
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#407418 - 09/20/07 09:15 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Kevin B.]
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Something happened many years ago to me. I shot a momma doe that had a button buck with her. After I shot her the button would not leave. He stayed in and around that cow pasture the entire season. You could go walk around the pasture and he would usually to come out and at least look at ya'. One day that fall I shot about 10 times with my 7MMSTW which has a muzzlebrake and when I took my hearing protection off, I heard something behind me and he was standing about 25 yards away looking at me. He had a front leg that either had got caught in a fence, hit by a car, etc. but it was a very distingushable trait. That deer stayed in and around that pasture until he grew into a 140" class 10 ptr. He became so smart. He still had the bad leg the last time I saw him (I believe he died of old age) but he always stayed out of bow range and never showed during muzzleloader or gun season. I personally believe that by shooting momma does you encourage bucks to stay closer to your hunting area. I shoot every momma doe I can and for the most part I will NOT shoot a doe UNLESS she does have little ones with her. I always let the little ones go, shooting one of them takes to great of a chance on killing a button.
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#878424 - 08/20/08 07:50 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: CopperHead77]
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#878493 - 08/20/08 08:11 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Carlos Viagra]
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 Originally Posted By: ChadWheeler
The worst part about it is when you are field dressing the doe and the little ones come up and then go 'maaamma... mmaammaa...'

Just not my bag.
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#878499 - 08/20/08 08:15 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Anonymous]
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I wont shoot a doe with fawns Im just not that hungry.
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#878524 - 08/20/08 08:26 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Viper (tp)]
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Yeah, those little ones are tender. Fry them whole. Those spots aren't tough at all.
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#878821 - 08/21/08 05:37 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
I purposely target does with fawns. More likely to orphan button bucks and keep them around (orphaned button bucks are less likely to disperse as yearlings). One of my proudest kills was a big momma doe with triplet button bucks.


That pretty much sums it up for me too. I'll just add that I try to kill bigger does just so I feel like I get my money's worth from the processing fee. I pass on a lot of shot opportunities because of this.
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#878829 - 08/21/08 05:41 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: CopperHead77]
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I won't shoot a single doe with fawns. However, if it's a group of does with fawns, I will.

Just my conscience taking over.

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#878931 - 08/21/08 06:31 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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Basically ANY momma doe that comes by me gets shot at, whether or not I hit maybe debatable, but I am going to do my best to harvest all mommas. Like BSK, I especially prefer the momma does with button bucks. Been doing this for about 15 years. We went from seeing 1 or 2 little bucks a year on a 200 acre farm, to seeing as few as 10 different bucks to as many as 20 different bucks per year after we started hammering momma does. Many that I knew (including several on this website were all over me for killing does when I started posting how many does I killed each year) but our buck sightings greatly increased (until "civilization caught up with us and all the surrounding land is being developed) with the increase in momma does we shot. Here is a picture (that I have posted several times, no really great bucks, but not bad for middle Tennessee) that will show some of the results of "momma doe killing".



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#879139 - 08/21/08 08:16 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Headhunter]
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I'll shoot any doe I can as long as she's of decent size (no fawns) and her fawns have lost their spots. I just want to make sure that the fawns can fend for themselves. I know there have been ages posted (like 2 months) where a fawn will be alright (weened) and hook up with a doe group. But around here, with our screwed/skewed herd, we have a fair number of late-born fawns -- and our bow season starts around Sept 10 every year (second Saturday of Sept, I think).
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#879191 - 08/21/08 08:37 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Greg .]
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Basically, fawns are weened and able to take care of themselves at 6 weeks of age. But in areas that experience late breeding, it is possible to have fawns being born in August. Those fawns might be very young come opening of bow season. Now by 1st muzzleloader, I wouldn't worry about orphaning fawns.
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#879304 - 08/21/08 09:48 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Team Browning]
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I tend to pass and look for a lone doe
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#879471 - 08/21/08 11:24 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Lawrence]
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wont shoot the does with fawns.
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#879486 - 08/21/08 11:35 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Team Browning]
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 Originally Posted By: Team Browning
Reviving a post from last year and the last page! Kinda like reading last year's magazines!


Dang you went back into the archives for this one . \:\)
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#879507 - 08/21/08 11:49 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Goat66]
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General rule is, if she has youngens with her she and the young-ones get a free pass.

Now if she comes by alone, and its bow time, well (THUMP) if ya catch my drift! ;\)
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#879565 - 08/21/08 12:25 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Viper (tp)]
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Yep, I'd shoot her
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#879656 - 08/21/08 01:17 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: A.Hall]
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Yes, done it many times.
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#879992 - 08/21/08 05:30 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: muzzy76]
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 Originally Posted By: muzzy76
wont shoot the does with fawns.



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#880050 - 08/21/08 06:07 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Team Browning]
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Thanks for sharing, love those stories! I particularly liked headhunters. Those stories are ones for a lifetime!
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#880129 - 08/21/08 06:52 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Boone 58]
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I'm kinda glad this one is revived...I'm changing my outlook on killing does with fawns...I'd said before that I would let them walk...and I have in the past. But after a season and summer of learning, I have (I hope) figured out some details to small land deer management that have changed my view. I can understand just about everyones view on the subject but it all boils down to hunting and the future of hunting for me. So, for the future I am busting her every chance I get to help keep deer in my hunting area and to up my chances and my son's chances at seeing more bucks. Right now he (6yrs old) is excited about just seeing a deer, but there will come a day when he will be looking to be "macho" and will want and desire antlers...it takes many seasons doing the right things to get a desirable huting herd in any given area, but it is extremely difficult on small lands (We got 120acres) So, I figure I better get started now...I have been talking with some other hunters who's properties ajoin and am hoping that together we can help our area be a good deer hunting location for years to come...
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#880721 - 08/22/08 06:45 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Stalker]
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Camoman270, one of the best things I remember was early one bow season, about 15 years ago, somewhere in there, one of the first momma does I killed with a fawn (a button buck) in tow, I felt bad. The button would not leave. He stayed in and around that one cow pasture the whole season. Almost anytime you went into the pasture he would come out and see what was going on. I was sighting in my 7mmstw one afternoon and took off my hearing protection after shooting a group and heard something moving, scared me silly, it was him about 20 yards behind me watching me. My rifle has a factory muzzlebrake, to say that it is loud is a large understatement. He stayed in and around that pasture til he became huge, last time I saw him he was a 150" class deer and I know one when I see it. We never killed him. He covered a pretty good size area and as far as I know he was never killed. I like to think sometimes too, that bucks are like perverted old men, I cannot even remember how many nice bucks I have seen chasing what had to be yearling does. The third buck from the right (full sneak mount) dressed out at 172 lbs and he was chasing a doe I promise would not have weighed 50 lbs live weight. Luckily for me she came by my tree. That is another reason why I like to shoot the older does.
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#881480 - 08/22/08 03:06 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Headhunter]
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mommas are fair game.
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#2536997 - 09/25/11 09:17 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: ]
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Glad I found this thread. I actually was worried that I didn't kill the, "just out of it's spots fawn this weekend." Thought maybe it wouldn't be able to make it. I let it walk but brought momma with me.

Now that I feel more comfortable that it will be able to survive, glad I didn't take it.


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#2537007 - 09/25/11 09:27 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Appalachian American]
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Sometimes I do and sometimes I dont.Last year I drew back on a doe and her youngin came up and started nursing.Free pass that day.
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#2537029 - 09/25/11 09:46 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: mathews u2]
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Every time they will give me a chance ill take that shot.
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#2537056 - 09/25/11 09:56 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Trevor2]
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I kill the fawn too.
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#2537076 - 09/25/11 10:07 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: CBU93]
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It all Depends for me. For ex) This year got a small group of does (3) coming into 1 of my stand locations. 2 good size does and a fawn. In this case I would take 1 of the does. If it was just momma and her fawn...She gets a pass.
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#2537100 - 09/25/11 10:29 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: ]
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When I was younger and didn't have very many deer under my belt I would shoot anything that walked under my stand. Now I know that I can pass on a doe with young and be able to kill one that doesn't.
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#2537128 - 09/25/11 10:43 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: bigtex]
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I'll kill every doe I can with or without a fawn
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#2537322 - 09/25/11 01:50 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
One other thing:

Some studies have shown that orphaned male fawns are more likely to survive to the age of 2 1/2 or older, than non-orphaned male fawns, which is part of the reason some will say, "if you want more bucks, shoot more does." Another reason you might have more bucks is because these same studies have shown that orphaned male fawns are less likely to disperse from their birth areas. So with normal dispersal distances exceeding a mile (sometimes many miles), targeting does with male fawns (aka button bucks) can be a management plan for increasing your resident buck population.




good info wes

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#2537330 - 09/25/11 01:59 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: HOOK]
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MY rule of thumb is if they have spots mama gets a pass but if they don't well they don't! ;\)
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#2537608 - 09/25/11 05:42 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: ]
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#2537663 - 09/25/11 06:17 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Good time Charlie]
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Killed a big momma this morning with twins. If I passed on does with fawns, I wouldn't have many does to shoot at. Seems like every one I have on camera this year has fawns.
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#2537908 - 09/25/11 08:07 PM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: bigtex]
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Like BSK and a few others have correctly stated, I purposely try to take out the does with fawns, especially the big mature ones. It will improve the general population, especially the buck fawns, over time by doing so.
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#2538429 - 09/26/11 06:05 AM Re: Does w/ fawns...do you shoot? [Re: Anonymous]
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I let her go .
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