#377347 - 09/02/07 01:53 PM
Re: Another example of why I don't like ARs
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Just passing all 1 1/2 year olds will do wonders for a herd's buck age.
For private land management (not public land), I couldn't agree more with that statement.
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#377374 - 09/02/07 02:50 PM
Re: Another example of why I don't like ARs
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I haven't read all of this thread but I've seen many pics of mature 6 pointers that would be out of AR limits if I assume there is an 8 pt or 4pts on one side rule. Now a mature 6 pointer is definitely in a small percentage of the population, but to resolve this issue my question would be, How about a 3 points on one side rule? That would save spikes and four points. Now let's see the mature 4 point and spike pics.
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#377389 - 09/02/07 03:23 PM
Re: Another example of why I don't like ARs
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If I'm not mistaken Alan's reasoning for the spike rule was because the deer on PI had the genetics and the nutrition available to produce better than spike deer overall so he was culling them.
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#377394 - 09/02/07 03:32 PM
Re: Another example of why I don't like ARs
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a "3 on one side rule" would mean you are taking your best yearling bucks. If one of your goals is more great racks (which in all honesty that is one of the goals), you are shooting yourself in the foot imo. I am certainly not opposed to shooting a mature buck with only three on a side, but to shoot the yearling 6 pointers would be self defeating. The best compromise might be to have a AR along with "or spread outside the ears". That wouldn't cover all the mature bucks, but it would certainly cover most of them.
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#377488 - 09/02/07 06:14 PM
Re: Another example of why I don't like ARs
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ghosthunter,
What pastorbmp said. The point (no pun intended) of antler restrictions is to eliminate young bucks from harvest but allow older bucks to be harvested. The problem with that system is there is no easy to identify antler characteristic that will perfectly divide yearlings from older bucks. Some older bucks have few points. Some older bucks have narrow spreads. And worse yet, the best, healthiest yearling bucks can qualify for just about any antler restriction, and the absolute last bucks you want harvested are your best yearlings, as they will also be your best middle-aged bucks.
In essence, no matter what antler restriction you set, your best yearlings will qualify and your lowest-end mature bucks won't. Both of those situations are counter-productive.
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#377522 - 09/02/07 06:59 PM
Re: Another example of why I don't like ARs
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we practice a three on one side rule on our lease and it has worked pretty well so far.We dont shoot every buck that meets the AR but we felt we needed a starting point.This is a old club and sometimes change is hard so we decided to take it one step at a time.We also added a solid food plot program plus alot of hard work and some broken tractor equiptment and good members and things seem to be coming together.Would like to post some pictures but cant seem to get it done.Any help or advice would be appreciated.
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#377658 - 09/02/07 09:07 PM
Re: Another example of why I don't like ARs
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MoCamo,
A lot of people use http://www.photobucket.com . Down load your pictures to photobucket. Then when you want to post them on tndeer, click on the third icon from the right, above there you type the messages in, if you put your mouse pointer on it, it will say "enter an image" left click on that icon. A script Prompt will pop up on your computer screen. Now go to photobucket to the picture you want to down load to tndeer. There will be four link options below the picture. click on the IMG Code and it will copy it. Now go back to tndeer to the script prompt and paste the IMG Code, and hit OK. It should put the picture in your post. Hope this helps.
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#377773 - 09/02/07 10:37 PM
Re: Another example of why I don't like ARs
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MoCamo,
Any idea what percent of harvested bucks are yearlings with your 3-points-on-a-side rule?
I ask because 50% of the yearlings on my place have at least 3 points on one side. I would sure hate to have the yearlings--and the best half at that--eligible for harvest.
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#377806 - 09/02/07 10:57 PM
Re: Another example of why I don't like ARs
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BSK,
They're eligible for harvest right now anyway. I don't see your point.
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