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#3764993 - 09/16/14 06:59 AM Obama wants to kill A/C
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The Obama administration is preparing to introduce major steps to phase out production of a popular chemical coolant used in refrigerators and air conditioners, citing growing evidence that the substance is contributing to the warming of the planet.

The White House will announce on Tuesday a series of voluntary commitments by some of the country’s largest chemical firms and retailers to move rapidly away from R-134a and similar compounds used in nearly every office, home and automobile in the country, according to current and former U.S. officials familiar with the effort.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/h...ry.html?hpid=z1
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#3765174 - 09/16/14 09:59 AM Re: Obama wants to kill A/C [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Will be very interesting to see how this plays out, curious if he will go after r410a as well, 410a has almost 50% higher GWP (global warming potential) than 134a.

Most of the larger HVAC systems are currently on 134a while the smaller stuff is mostly 410a. If it is worded anything like the Montreal protocol then it will be a cutoff date about 10-15 years from now with an additional 10 year service phase. The service phase still allows for the production of the refrigerant but no one could sell new equipment that uses it.

If you follow the money it also makes sense, the article mentions that this would be with the support of chemical companies. Currently 134a is about $3/lb while the most likely replacement, 1233ZD is around $20/lb.

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#3765734 - 09/16/14 07:42 PM Re: Obama wants to kill A/C [Re: Ed B]
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Silly Libs, Global Warming is FAKE.
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#3767564 - 09/18/14 02:59 PM Re: Obama wants to kill A/C [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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#3767688 - 09/18/14 05:50 PM Re: Obama wants to kill A/C [Re: preds1]
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saw an article the other day that the climate has not changed in 18 or 19 yrs!
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#3767699 - 09/18/14 06:09 PM Re: Obama wants to kill A/C [Re: Crappie Luck]
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[quote=Crappie Luck]The Obama administration is preparing to introduce major steps to phase out production of a popular chemical coolant used in refrigerators and air conditioners, citing growing evidence that the substance is contributing to the warming of the planet.
What a bunch of cons. Guess what one of the proposed replacements Is? The alleged planet destroying, evil CO2.
Volkswagen to use CO2 as refrigerant for future air conditioning systems
8 March 2013

The Volkswagen Group announced that it is choosing CO2 as the future low global warming potential (GWP) refrigerant for its mobile air conditioning (MAC) systems. The announcement follows press reports from the Geneva Motor Show that Daimler, BMW and Volkswagen would pursue CO2 (R744) as the refrigerant for MACs instead of R-1234yf (developed by Honeywell and DuPont).

Alliance for CO2 Solutions http://www.alliance-co2-solutions.org/

The Alliance for CO2 Solutions is an ad-hoc group of organisations supporting the use of “CO2″ in car air conditioning. By recycling waste CO2 as a natural refrigerant, we are turning part of the CO2 problem into the solution. The Alliance aims to present latest updates on CO2 Technology in an objective manner, thereby enabling the automotive industry to make the best choice for car air conditioning.

Acknowledging the urgency to act now against the most severe consequences of global warming, the Alliance for CO2 Solutions promotes a technology available today that could save millions of tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions to the atmosphere. CO2-based air conditioning is also the most energy-efficient and cost-effective option for cars. See the news page for a comprehensive list of published articles.
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#3768347 - 09/19/14 10:04 AM Re: Obama wants to kill A/C [Re: dr]
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Ridiculous.

Someday we will read where someone is proposing to bring R-12 back because it is greener than all the others.
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#3768437 - 09/19/14 01:10 PM Re: Obama wants to kill A/C [Re: farmin68]
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I think Dupont's patent on R12 was due to expire so they had it banned.

Nothing really wrong with it other than Dupont is well connected and wanted to preserve their monopoly on the manufacture of AC coolants.
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#3768453 - 09/19/14 01:45 PM Re: Obama wants to kill A/C [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
I think Dupont's patent on R12 was due to expire so they had it banned.

Nothing really wrong with it other than Dupont is well connected and wanted to preserve their monopoly on the manufacture of AC coolants.


Very interesting point that makes a lot of sense. As powerful as Dupont is I'm sure if they had wanted to keep R-12 on the market it would still be there....but not as profitable if the patent has expired.

Duck would call it conspiracy theory. \:D
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#3768920 - 09/20/14 04:16 AM Re: Obama wants to kill A/C [Re: farmin68]
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Ed B 410a is used for ac & the 134a is used for fridge and freezers & small window ac's. butane or 500a I think its listed is being tried in a fridge made by Samsung. its a 2 sealed system the freezer uses 134a & the fresh food section uses the butane. I have found 1 that was out of gas and has to go back to the factory. we don't have many options for any substance that doesn't affect something some where down the line
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