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#3736591 - 08/18/14 01:29 PM Re: two trout eaters [Re: scn]
Diehard Hunter
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 Originally Posted By: scn
 Originally Posted By: Buzzard Breath
Good riddance. Now go back and keep another limit tomorrow, and the next day, and the next, and the next, and the next, and.......

And bring all your friends to keep their limit also.


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#3736631 - 08/18/14 02:18 PM Re: two trout eaters [Re: stilllookin]
Setterman
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 Originally Posted By: stilllookin
I dont belive these fish are intentionally stocked in this are . Theres a huge striper fishery below melton hill and I assume they come through the lock at melton hill dam. Plus ive heard they releaae their brood fish from eagle bend hatchery which I would think would be a small number. Also if you use lures resembling trout and carch big trout that tells me well you get the picture.


They're are a series of photos from them throwing brood fish in at the Eagle Bend Hatchery just below 61 Bridge. Also, it's an easy run up for them from Melton Hill into the river. I don't really buy into the coming through the lock theory, sure a couple could but the size and numbers certainly support the Eagle Bend source.

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#3736691 - 08/18/14 03:06 PM Re: two trout eaters [Re: Setterman]
catman529
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 Originally Posted By: AllOutdoors
 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: AllOutdoors
I don't trout fish and like the fight of a rockfish. With that being said. I love to fish for smallmouth. It stinks to dress a 30lb rockfish to find a smallie in its belly. I have had
them knock 2lb smallies off my hook. Even chase them up in inches of water by my feet while wading to eat them. Just saying. They do fight hard and are fun to catch but they eat most anything that will fit in there mouth!
thin em out but don't kill em off... I can see why they like smallmouth, they taste pretty good too \:D


Crappie taste pretty good too. And I can keep 30 per day. The smallmouth fight much harder and like to jump making them fun to catch. Its easy for me to decide which fish to catch and grease and which fish to catch and release.
I like smallmouth way better than crappie

 Originally Posted By: Setterman
 Originally Posted By: catman529
 Originally Posted By: Setterman
 Originally Posted By: bigluresonly
Recently I caught/ate a 44" rockfish with no trout in its stomach. The next day, same area, I caught/ate a 25" brown trout that had trout in its stomach.

In order to save the trout you must kill the trout.


Sadly I think you believe this.

Having large brown trout are part of a healthy well managed fishery. Them feeding on trout is part of it, not to mention large brown trout feed on a wide variety of forage, not just trout. The same cannot be said of the stripers as there is no other fish for them to eat
no other fish? I always see them busting HUGE schools of giant gizzard shad. I know they will also eat trout and smallmouth but where I have seen the rockfish they are eating nothing but baitfish.


Come on catman, keep up \:D

I'm specifically talking about the Clinch below Norris. There is nothing but trout in that stretch of river.

The stripers that live in other places are fine with me as they have a wide array of fish to feed on
I figured you were talking about a specific area. Around here the rockfish have plenty of forage other than trout
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#3736728 - 08/18/14 03:57 PM Re: two trout eaters [Re: Setterman]
bigluresonly
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 Originally Posted By: Setterman
 Originally Posted By: bigluresonly
Recently I caught/ate a 44" rockfish with no trout in its stomach. The next day, same area, I caught/ate a 25" brown trout that had trout in its stomach.

In order to save the trout you must kill the trout.


Sadly I think you believe this.

Having large brown trout are part of a healthy well managed fishery. Them feeding on trout is part of it, not to mention large brown trout feed on a wide variety of forage, not just trout. The same cannot be said of the stripers as there is no other fish for them to eat
I do not believe that. It was posted to sound as ridiculous as wanting all Stripes dead because they eat the precious trout. Reminds me of people I have talked to that want all Muskie gone cuz they eat their durn bass.

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#3736746 - 08/18/14 04:14 PM Re: two trout eaters [Re: bigluresonly]
catman529
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 Originally Posted By: bigluresonly
 Originally Posted By: Setterman
 Originally Posted By: bigluresonly
Recently I caught/ate a 44" rockfish with no trout in its stomach. The next day, same area, I caught/ate a 25" brown trout that had trout in its stomach.

In order to save the trout you must kill the trout.


Sadly I think you believe this.

Having large brown trout are part of a healthy well managed fishery. Them feeding on trout is part of it, not to mention large brown trout feed on a wide variety of forage, not just trout. The same cannot be said of the stripers as there is no other fish for them to eat
I do not believe that. It was posted to sound as ridiculous as wanting all Stripes dead because they eat the precious trout. Reminds me of people I have talked to that want all Muskie gone cuz they eat their durn bass.
bass? There are so many bass I could not complain about musky, I would love to catch a musky some day. Dale Hollow is a well known trophy smallmouth fishery and also has some big musky. Some people care too much about only one type of fish.
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#3736788 - 08/18/14 04:56 PM Re: two trout eaters [Re: bigluresonly]
Setterman
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 Originally Posted By: bigluresonly
 Originally Posted By: Setterman
 Originally Posted By: bigluresonly
Recently I caught/ate a 44" rockfish with no trout in its stomach. The next day, same area, I caught/ate a 25" brown trout that had trout in its stomach.

In order to save the trout you must kill the trout.


Sadly I think you believe this.

Having large brown trout are part of a healthy well managed fishery. Them feeding on trout is part of it, not to mention large brown trout feed on a wide variety of forage, not just trout. The same cannot be said of the stripers as there is no other fish for them to eat
I do not believe that. It was posted to sound as ridiculous as wanting all Stripes dead because they eat the precious trout. Reminds me of people I have talked to that want all Muskie gone cuz they eat their durn bass.


It really doesn't surprise me you don't believe that. Since you're all knowing please educate those of us who are stupid where massive numbers of 40+ stripers came from, and why there are pictures of them being released at Eagle Bend?

I don't want all stripers dead, and don't put words in my mouth. You disparage the trout, yet are clueless that they bring in far more revenue for TWRA than stripers.

I do want and am actively wanting them eradicated from the Clinch. Be thankful I like many at least eat them, others just slice them open and set them free. I don't believe in that, and find it disgraceful.

You're one angry little man it seems.

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#3736881 - 08/18/14 06:36 PM Re: two trout eaters [Re: Setterman]
bigluresonly
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 Originally Posted By: Setterman
 Originally Posted By: bigluresonly
 Originally Posted By: Setterman
 Originally Posted By: bigluresonly
Recently I caught/ate a 44" rockfish with no trout in its stomach. The next day, same area, I caught/ate a 25" brown trout that had trout in its stomach.

In order to save the trout you must kill the trout.


Sadly I think you believe this.

Having large brown trout are part of a healthy well managed fishery. Them feeding on trout is part of it, not to mention large brown trout feed on a wide variety of forage, not just trout. The same cannot be said of the stripers as there is no other fish for them to eat
I do not believe that. It was posted to sound as ridiculous as wanting all Stripes dead because they eat the precious trout. Reminds me of people I have talked to that want all Muskie gone cuz they eat their durn bass.


It really doesn't surprise me you don't believe that. Since you're all knowing please educate those of us who are stupid where massive numbers of 40+ stripers came from, and why there are pictures of them being released at Eagle Bend?

I don't want all stripers dead, and don't put words in my mouth. You disparage the trout, yet are clueless that they bring in far more revenue for TWRA than stripers.

I do want and am actively wanting them eradicated from the Clinch. Be thankful I like many at least eat them, others just slice them open and set them free. I don't believe in that, and find it disgraceful.

You're one angry little man it seems.
I never said I was all knowing and never said anything about where they came from on the Clinch. I don't really care or know where they came from.

When I talk about you wanting all stripes dead, I'm talking about in the Clinch- that's where this thread is about, try and keep up.

I am aware that trout brings in more money than stripers, definitely not clueless about that. I do disparage the trout, they are there to feed the Stripers, sorry if that hurts your feelings dude. If you know of people slicing Stripers open and letting them go to die I would hope you would call your local TWRA officer.

I am not an angry man nor am I little, just tired of the same old trout hugger arguments. Big fish eat little fish, nothing you do will change that.

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#3736897 - 08/18/14 06:49 PM Re: two trout eaters [Re: bigluresonly]
Setterman
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 Originally Posted By: bigluresonly
 Originally Posted By: Setterman
 Originally Posted By: bigluresonly
 Originally Posted By: Setterman
 Originally Posted By: bigluresonly
Recently I caught/ate a 44" rockfish with no trout in its stomach. The next day, same area, I caught/ate a 25" brown trout that had trout in its stomach.

In order to save the trout you must kill the trout.


Sadly I think you believe this.

Having large brown trout are part of a healthy well managed fishery. Them feeding on trout is part of it, not to mention large brown trout feed on a wide variety of forage, not just trout. The same cannot be said of the stripers as there is no other fish for them to eat
I do not believe that. It was posted to sound as ridiculous as wanting all Stripes dead because they eat the precious trout. Reminds me of people I have talked to that want all Muskie gone cuz they eat their durn bass.


It really doesn't surprise me you don't believe that. Since you're all knowing please educate those of us who are stupid where massive numbers of 40+ stripers came from, and why there are pictures of them being released at Eagle Bend?

I don't want all stripers dead, and don't put words in my mouth. You disparage the trout, yet are clueless that they bring in far more revenue for TWRA than stripers.

I do want and am actively wanting them eradicated from the Clinch. Be thankful I like many at least eat them, others just slice them open and set them free. I don't believe in that, and find it disgraceful.

You're one angry little man it seems.
I never said I was all knowing and never said anything about where they came from on the Clinch. I don't really care or know where they came from.

When I talk about you wanting all stripes dead, I'm talking about in the Clinch- that's where this thread is about, try and keep up.

I am aware that trout brings in more money than stripers, definitely not clueless about that. I do disparage the trout, they are there to feed the Stripers, sorry if that hurts your feelings dude. If you know of people slicing Stripers open and letting them go to die I would hope you would call your local TWRA officer.

I am not an angry man nor am I little, just tired of the same old trout hugger arguments. Big fish eat little fish, nothing you do will change that.




I've informed the local TWRA folks, I despise poachers.
I do enjoy trout fishing, but I'm not a total trout hugger. I actually prefer river smallies over trout.
I also love stripers, just not in the Clinch.

If there are no big stripers left, then they can't eat little trout. We've reduced the numbers on the Clinch to a pretty tolerable level for the moment. I can handle a few, but when there's hundreds per mile that's a little much. To be honest if they stay below 61 bridge then fine, it's when they move above I break out the filet knife.

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#3736905 - 08/18/14 06:57 PM Re: two trout eaters [Re: Setterman]
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Stripers: NON-native
Brown trout:NON-native
Rainbows:NON-native

One non-native feeding another non native seems about right. Unless it's native brook trout, then this argument is like a competition to see who has the ugliest wife..............
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#3737149 - 08/19/14 10:31 AM Re: two trout eaters [Re: rukiddin?]
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 Originally Posted By: rukiddin?
Stripers: NON-native
Brown trout:NON-native
Rainbows:NON-native

One non-native feeding another non native seems about right. Unless it's native brook trout, then this argument is like a competition to see who has the ugliest wife..............


Alright, so let's take your approach.

Stop stocking trout in the Clinch, what's going to live in 48 degree water?
Eliminate the stripers and the trout thrive, eliminate the trout and the stripers have no food.

Seems fairly logical to me that in a river like the Clinch which can only really support trout as a stand alone species, that it is a best practice to manage the resource for them, which doesn't include a large population of predatory fish like stripers who are ninjas at feeding on other fish.

Trust me. I wish the dam was never built and the Clinch was a smallmouth river full of native fish, but tva ensured that's history. So rather than disparage a non native species that excels in that environment, why not manage them to the fullest extent and provide a worthwhile opportunity to anglers?

It seems you've got it figured out, so provide us with your solution?

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