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#3724807 - 08/03/14 08:53 PM Least favorite part of shooting.
catman529
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I practice almost daily for a while and am getting better and tighter groups. Then I get a bad day or two and my groups blow up by a few inches. Best I can do I guess is keep shooting. Sometimes I can hold the pin very steady with a lot of confidence. Sometimes I have trouble holding it and lose most of my confidence and my groups are bad. The other day it was definitely caffeine but the past 2 times it wasn't. Guess I will see how the groups look tomorrow. I'm not an archer by any means, I'm a bow hunter who tries to shoot good enough to kill. I don't shoot year round like some of you do and I don't do anything fancy.

One thing I've been pondering, should I get a stabilizer?
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#3724857 - 08/03/14 09:31 PM Re: Least favorite part of shooting. [Re: catman529]
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I feel ya. I have been shooting every day here lately. It seems like I'm perfectly sighted in one day, then it's like I need to move my sight and pins all over again. I think it's because I'm shooting a new (to me) bow and have been playing around with grip and form issues.

I always shoot groups of 3 and it never fails that if I shoot the first 2 dead on, the 3rd will be way off. I have my arrows numbered and shoot them in no particular order so it's not just a "flyer". I can hold dead still for some shots, then I can't on others. I had one the other day where I just could not hold still. I released and it flew right over my target and into the fence.

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#3724861 - 08/03/14 09:33 PM Re: Least favorite part of shooting. [Re: catman529]
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Yes. Get one.
I use to laugh at the guys with a 3 foot stableizer on the front of their bow.
I put one on my rig, and right away it stopped moving by 95%.
I have a stableizer that is longer than my arrows. Put a little weight out their to see if it helps your group.
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#3724864 - 08/03/14 09:36 PM Re: Least favorite part of shooting. [Re: remke]
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Plus I use to shoot until my quiver was empty. Just shoot 3 arrows. Then go pull. You don't need to wear yourself out with shooting a lot in a short period of time.
I have only had 1 time I had to fling more than 2 arrows at 1 deer.
BTW. He still got away.
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#3724878 - 08/03/14 09:54 PM Re: Least favorite part of shooting. [Re: remke]
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If I know I am having an off day, meaning I know I consistently shoot a lot better than I am that day and having no reason to suspect something is wrong with my equipment, I hang it up for the day. All continuing to shoot will do is effect my confidence. Way more times than not I will go out the next day and everything will be back to normal.
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#3724905 - 08/03/14 10:23 PM Re: Least favorite part of shooting. [Re: TheAirMan]
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Over shooting is a road that leads to a lot of bad habits. Trust me...I have just took a detour from the best 3D season of my life onto this path and it has cost me a lot in the last few weeks.

What you run into is when you put a time limit on yourself (such as saying, oh crap...opening day is just X days away, I gotta get ready...or oh crap, that big tournament is next weekend...I gotta get out there and tighten up my shooting) is that you end up putting a lot of unneeded pressure on yourself. Instead of just calling it a day or taking those days off like AirMan said...you get it in your mind that you are coming down to the wire and MUST shoot, no matter what. And you'll over shoot.

Then you'll be faced with things like: target panic, or flinching really bad on the shots, or all kind of other little fun things that take a long time to work out.

Trust me...I just had 3 of the biggest tournaments of the year, one weekend after the other. And I probably shot more arrows in these 3 weeks than I have all yr long combined...because I wanted to win a state championship...and I wanted to win this big King of String money shoot that I was in...and I wanted to win out of my class in ASA by podium finishing at the ASA Classic. And I blew every stinking one of them with the lowest scores that I've shot all yr long. Two of them was partially equipment failure...found out my sight block was messed up and moving from shot to shot. BUT this last one, I had a brand new sight and it was simply just me...I was flinching so bad on shots that on one target, my bow AND release nearly beat the arrow to the target.

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#3724923 - 08/03/14 11:29 PM Re: Least favorite part of shooting. [Re: Crow Terminator]
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Check out some you tube vids on blind bail practicing for those days your shooting bad.

On days your shooting bad It's probably a result of target panic or inconsistent form or a combination of both.

It's helped me tons with the target panic. Let's me get In a solid afternoon of practicing on building my fundamentals. Getting a consistent anchor point.

And the next day when I get back out I am usually shocked at how much better I have gotten.

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#3725015 - 08/04/14 07:16 AM Re: Least favorite part of shooting. [Re: PillsburyDoughboy]
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Take a break for a day or two.

Get a stabilizer

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#3725018 - 08/04/14 07:17 AM Re: Least favorite part of shooting. [Re: UTGrad]
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Actually I have a Sims S Coil I'll give you...PM me.
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#3725315 - 08/04/14 12:31 PM Re: Least favorite part of shooting. [Re: UTGrad]
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Thanks all for the advice I think I will take a couple days break

Funny some of my better shooting comes after a while of not shooting.

Shot another dozen today and groups are still like a blue heron took a crap on the target. Still 90% kill zone shots but not the kind of shooting I want to be doing at 20 yards on a live deer
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#3725506 - 08/04/14 04:13 PM Re: Least favorite part of shooting. [Re: catman529]
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Catman...are you shooting broadheads or field points?
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#3725655 - 08/04/14 07:07 PM Re: Least favorite part of shooting. [Re: UTGrad]
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Don't know if this qualifies but tuning.

Edited by ghosthunter (08/04/14 07:08 PM)
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#3726929 - 08/05/14 11:23 PM Re: Least favorite part of shooting. [Re: UTGrad]
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 Originally Posted By: UTGrad
Catman...are you shooting broadheads or field points?
field points
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#3727242 - 08/06/14 11:48 AM Re: Least favorite part of shooting. [Re: catman529]
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Shooting too much and over thinking is bad!! I became a Much better shot especially at long distances when I quit shooting so much.
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#3727245 - 08/06/14 11:49 AM Re: Least favorite part of shooting. [Re: W.Seay]
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Also practicing at 50,60,70 yards will really show you what you are doing wrong, thus making you a much better shot at 20-30 yards!
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#3727266 - 08/06/14 12:23 PM Re: Least favorite part of shooting. [Re: W.Seay]
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 Originally Posted By: W.Seay
Also practicing at 50,60,70 yards will really show you what you are doing wrong, thus making you a much better shot at 20-30 yards!


Especially shooting deer at 50,60, 70 yards \:D

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#3728258 - 08/07/14 01:57 PM Re: Least favorite part of shooting. [Re: catman529]
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This is the way I practice. First, I zero my sight (single pin) dead on at 23 yards. Then I shoot at every yard from 10 yards out to 33 yards to see where my arrow hits at all ranges. I don't shoot at a deer that is over 30 yards anyway but if I misjudge a couple of yards, I am still OK.

The way I practice is with one arrow. I only shoot about five times each session. I randomly shoot that one arrow within the 33 yard limit. The very first arrow is about the only one that matters anyway. Can't recall ever shooting over two times at the same deer. They don't usually hang around after the first shot.

Works for me.
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#3728319 - 08/07/14 03:39 PM Re: Least favorite part of shooting. [Re: TLRanger]
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Your comment about holding steady leads me to a guess that you may be punching the trigger if you are using a release or plucking the string if using fingers.

It is very difficult to hold the bow entirely steady. Next time you go out there, try letting the sight pin "float" around the bullseye, and concentrate on making a smooth release instead of punching/jerking/plucking when the pin lines up with the bull. Blind bale shooting with your eyes shut or using a back tension release whree you don't know when the shot is going off can work on those bad habits.

I think you will find that concentrating on a smooth, unanticipated release with a sight picture that isn't rock solid will give you better groups than trying to punch one in when it does line up on the bullseye.

And, if you shooting really drops off when you are tired, cut back a little on the shooting. IMO, a Bowfit device to work the shooting muscles without getting into some of the "tired" bad habits make it worth every penny it costs.
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#3728325 - 08/07/14 03:47 PM Re: Least favorite part of shooting. [Re: scn]
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I'm taking at least a week break from shooting while my bow is in line to get new strings from Energy Wave... will also bring home a new dozen arrows and it will have a new peep with smaller aperture. Part of my problem was not always lining the sight up perfectly, because the front sight appeared a lot smaller than the peep hole so I had to almost guess the center
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#3728328 - 08/07/14 03:50 PM Re: Least favorite part of shooting. [Re: catman529]
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This is the first year I have tried a new tactic. I have been shooting at 75yds. I shoot about 5-7 3 arrow groups. The three arrow groups are about 4-6 inches. But when I get close at 20-40 my groups are perfect usually all 3 touching. I seldom shoot less than 75 WHILE PRACTICING.
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#3728356 - 08/07/14 04:19 PM Re: Least favorite part of shooting. [Re: ffmedic]
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I always end my shooting sessions on a confident note, if you will. If I know my sights are dead on and I am having a bad shooting session because of human error then I will end my shooting session at what ever distance, no matter how close, it takes to put the arrows where I want them. Ending a session in confidence = beginning the next session with confidence.
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#3728399 - 08/07/14 05:26 PM Re: Least favorite part of shooting. [Re: papaw]
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 Originally Posted By: papaw
I always end my shooting sessions on a confident note, if you will. If I know my sights are dead on and I am having a bad shooting session because of human error then I will end my shooting session at what ever distance, no matter how close, it takes to put the arrows where I want them. Ending a session in confidence = beginning the next session with confidence.


Very very good practice that I've adopted myself.

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#3728976 - 08/08/14 12:58 PM Re: Least favorite part of shooting. [Re: catman529]
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 Originally Posted By: catman529
I'm taking at least a week break from shooting while my bow is in line to get new strings from Energy Wave... will also bring home a new dozen arrows and it will have a new peep with smaller aperture. Part of my problem was not always lining the sight up perfectly, because the front sight appeared a lot smaller than the peep hole so I had to almost guess the center


Another thought on your peep: A small aperture can be VERY hard to see through in low light conditiions. Since those normally relate to periods of greatest deer movement, it can be an issue. If you happen to be using a sight that is round covering the pins, try lining up your peep with the edges of that round sight. Your eye will naturally center the pin in the peep opening.

I'm guessing that if you will quit concentrating on the pin being dead on the bull and will concentrate on a relaease that isn't punched or plucked, that you will see your groups shrink in size.

And, those comments aren't from a position of superiority as i for sure have the T-shirts for punching release triggers.
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#3729393 - 08/08/14 08:42 PM Re: Least favorite part of shooting. [Re: scn]
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catman, shoot less more often. I never shoot over 6-8 arrows per session. But I might shoot 3 times a day. No matter how good of shape you are in muscles still get fatigued. Often I would shoot 3 arrows right before I left work, 3 or 4 as soon as I got home and maybe 6 or later that evening.
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#3731239 - 08/11/14 02:17 PM Re: Least favorite part of shooting. [Re: UTGrad]
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 Originally Posted By: UTGrad
 Originally Posted By: W.Seay
Also practicing at 50,60,70 yards will really show you what you are doing wrong, thus making you a much better shot at 20-30 yards!


Especially shooting deer at 50,60, 70 yards \:D


No doubt \:\) I will be sending you atleast one video as promised.
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#3732255 - 08/12/14 02:00 PM Re: Least favorite part of shooting. [Re: scn]
catman529
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 Originally Posted By: scn
 Originally Posted By: catman529
I'm taking at least a week break from shooting while my bow is in line to get new strings from Energy Wave... will also bring home a new dozen arrows and it will have a new peep with smaller aperture. Part of my problem was not always lining the sight up perfectly, because the front sight appeared a lot smaller than the peep hole so I had to almost guess the center


Another thought on your peep: A small aperture can be VERY hard to see through in low light conditiions. Since those normally relate to periods of greatest deer movement, it can be an issue. If you happen to be using a sight that is round covering the pins, try lining up your peep with the edges of that round sight. Your eye will naturally center the pin in the peep opening.

I'm guessing that if you will quit concentrating on the pin being dead on the bull and will concentrate on a relaease that isn't punched or plucked, that you will see your groups shrink in size.

And, those comments aren't from a position of superiority as i for sure have the T-shirts for punching release triggers.
I had thought of the low light issue with a smaller peep. But my old peep was pretty wide open.

As for punching the trigger, I really don't know. I feel like some of my best groups were punched, but I also could hold the pin a lot steadier. Some days I just can't hold the pin steady and I have punched the trigger and also slowly squeezed it as well. I use my middle finger to squeeze the release as TnDeerGuy got me started on last year.
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#3732291 - 08/12/14 02:53 PM Re: Least favorite part of shooting. [Re: catman529]
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"Group" shooting is great to identify form errors as you learn to shoot. However, once you get past a certain point, imo all it does is lead to torn up arrows and fletching.

I prefer to switch distances with every shot. I've made it more convenient in my practice setup by having three different targets set at different distances. I use two of the cheap "Rag Bag" targets from Third Hand Archery stuffed with various fillers set in at 10 yards apart. I added my deer target midway between those to make myself account for a 5yd difference rather than a 10 yd.

I'll shoot one arrow at each target, and if I am still "feeling strong, come back and shoot another set of three. Towards the tail end of a practice session I have learned to dog it off pretty quick rather than getting into bad habits of rushing shots or punching triggers.

Definately not for everybody, but it works for me.
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#3740760 - 08/22/14 05:40 AM Re: Least favorite part of shooting. [Re: catman529]
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I have that problem, got a new bow and shot well at first, then down hill. I shoot 5 at a time. If I start slingin arrows or cant find my pin i sit down drink some water and settle down. If im still having flyers i quit. Frustration is the key factor in not being able to group arrows. If i go out and shoot 3 good groups i quit. Fatigue will frustrate you, next thing you know your moving pins when you really dont have to.
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