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#3709273 - Yesterday at 09:22 PM Re: Vigilantes With a Badge [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
Bambi Buster
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 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
Bottom line is this. Perception is reality, and Law Enforcement is losing the trust of the people they are suppose to be serving. If they continue to lose the support and trust of the good guys they serve, everyone will suffer.


Rodney King brought about a massive paradigm shift that law enforcement inflicted on itself. Although the incidence of law enforcement misconduct is far, far less than was the case 20 years ago, today, nearly every incident is on the internet for the whole world to see. Video cameras are not going away, so with the passage of time, incidents of some types of police misconduct will continue to drop, as they should. Even one incident is too many.

The problem that isn't going away is the growing number of paranoids who think that because officers carry high capacity semi-auto pistols, have an AR-15 in the patrol car and wear boots and not a tie, that they are part of an Obamist plot. Aside from effectively disarming themselves, there is nothing LEOs can do about that, nor should they. "Militarization" is in the paranoid eye of the beholder.

If truly concerned citizens would busy themselves with being concerned about genuine police misconduct and stop obsessing about appearances, the whole country would be a lot better off.


It's not only about appearances and you know it. Excessive use of force is a legitimate concern with the citizens of this country, helicopters, multiple MRAPS, DHS, U.S. Customs and Border protection to apprehend a single pervert is overkill in the name of "Prepared". Gibson guitars, Amish milk dairies, and code enforcement does not require SWAT.


I agree. I don't approve of it in many cases. But with all the other things going on, I don't see it as a threat to the Republic.

Fast and Furious

Obamcare

Benghazi

IRS scandal

Bergdahl

Oh look, a squirrel (SWAT team).
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#3709291 - Yesterday at 09:39 PM Re: Vigilantes With a Badge [Re: BMan]
Bambi Buster
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I don't understand why you keep trying to tie the upartming of the police forces to "zerO's secret army," other than trying to deflect any and all criticism of what is a genuine problem in America today.

As for prejudices, I'd have thought you lf all people would understand EVERYONE is prejudiced in multiple ways. Oh well, you learn something every day...


A. The police are Obama's secret army.

-or-

B. Several tens of thousands of law enforcement agencies throughout the nation are engaged in a massive, sinister, unconstitutional conspiracy to create a police state.

-or-

C. The option few seem to consider, that law enforcement is evolving to meet the threat.

I wonder what we would have seen on the internet, had it existed, when police departments started using motor vehicles, radios, aircraft and ballistic vests. When a few departments, initially Highway Patrol, transitioned from .38 Specials to .357 magnums, there would have come cries of doom. Radar, semi-auto handguns, and hollow point ammunition also come to mind. I can just imagine them screaming, "Forbidden by the Geneva Convention, but OK for the police to use on American citizens. Tyranny is at hand."

And yes, we all have prejudices, myself included. I've made it a point for many years to inform myself and defer to facts rather than emotions and groundless fears in order to negate my prejudices to the degree possible.
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#3709299 - Yesterday at 09:47 PM Re: Vigilantes With a Badge [Re: BMan]
Bambi Buster
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
I suppose that we should be reassured to see that The Blaze is deeply concerned about child porn losers being intimidated.

I didn't take that from the article at all. In fact, they were mentioning the fact that it was NOT necessary. Rather than address that position, it's far easier to deflect and throw up strawman arguments.

You mention the target may have been armed or violent - if that was the case, why wouldn't they have taken that force to the raid? Is that the common approach to dangerous criminals? "Hey, y'all, this guy may be armed and dangerous. Soooo... let's wait 10 miles away and see if he kills the guys going on the raid, then we'll react."



?????
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#3709302 - Yesterday at 09:50 PM Re: Vigilantes With a Badge [Re: Bambi Buster]
BMan
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
I suppose that we should be reassured to see that The Blaze is deeply concerned about child porn losers being intimidated.

I didn't take that from the article at all. In fact, they were mentioning the fact that it was NOT necessary. Rather than address that position, it's far easier to deflect and throw up strawman arguments.

You mention the target may have been armed or violent - if that was the case, why wouldn't they have taken that force to the raid? Is that the common approach to dangerous criminals? "Hey, y'all, this guy may be armed and dangerous. Soooo... let's wait 10 miles away and see if he kills the guys going on the raid, then we'll react."



?????

They had that force in case they needed it - but for some reason, left it a town away. Did you even read the article?
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#3709309 - Yesterday at 10:05 PM Re: Vigilantes With a Badge [Re: BMan]
Bambi Buster
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 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
I suppose that we should be reassured to see that The Blaze is deeply concerned about child porn losers being intimidated.

I didn't take that from the article at all. In fact, they were mentioning the fact that it was NOT necessary. Rather than address that position, it's far easier to deflect and throw up strawman arguments.

You mention the target may have been armed or violent - if that was the case, why wouldn't they have taken that force to the raid? Is that the common approach to dangerous criminals? "Hey, y'all, this guy may be armed and dangerous. Soooo... let's wait 10 miles away and see if he kills the guys going on the raid, then we'll react."



?????

They had that force in case they needed it - but for some reason, left it a town away. Did you even read the article?


If you're referring to the child porn raid, I just now read the article for the 3rd time and still missed where the "force" was left a town away. Care to do a little copy and paste from the relevant part of the article here to explain what I missed?
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#3709310 - Yesterday at 10:07 PM Re: Vigilantes With a Badge [Re: Bambi Buster]
BMan
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: BMan
I don't understand why you keep trying to tie the upartming of the police forces to "zerO's secret army," other than trying to deflect any and all criticism of what is a genuine problem in America today.

As for prejudices, I'd have thought you lf all people would understand EVERYONE is prejudiced in multiple ways. Oh well, you learn something every day...


A. The police are Obama's secret army.

-or-

B. Several tens of thousands of law enforcement agencies throughout the nation are engaged in a massive, sinister, unconstitutional conspiracy to create a police state.

-or-

C. The option few seem to consider, that law enforcement is evolving to meet the threat.

I wonder what we would have seen on the internet, had it existed, when police departments started using motor vehicles, radios, aircraft and ballistic vests. When a few departments, initially Highway Patrol, transitioned from .38 Specials to .357 magnums, there would have come cries of doom. Radar, semi-auto handguns, and hollow point ammunition also come to mind. I can just imagine them screaming, "Forbidden by the Geneva Convention, but OK for the police to use on American citizens. Tyranny is at hand."

And yes, we all have prejudices, myself included. I've made it a point for many years to inform myself and defer to facts rather than emotions and groundless fears in order to negate my prejudices to the degree possible.

Ahhhh... the "threat". Please expound on the "threat" and let us know exactly what it is, why it is a true "threat" and why we need mine-resistant vehicles to counter it. Please provide a detailed explanation, because about the only "threat" I see being ghrown around is crazed Ramboesque veterans who might get violent - even though there seems to be quite a shortage of those events occurring.

“It’s armored. It’s heavy. It’s intimidating. And it’s free,” said Albany County Sheriff Craig Apple, among five county sheriff’s departments and three other police agencies in New York that have taken delivery of an MRAP.

Leftover armored trucks from Iraq coming to local police agencies

Here's your answer:

D. Many police departments are trying to appear more intimidating to the public.

Why? Policing in the past has always been most successful creating a mutual trust between the police and the residents of the city/county. Why has that changed? It used to be "Call a friend - call a cop." Now it's a police force that presents a more militarized appearance, uses militarized equipment, and conducts their daily business using more questionable (and to be frank, more Soviet-, Stasi- or Gestapo-like) methods.

And that's not a good thing.
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#3709319 - Yesterday at 10:14 PM Re: Vigilantes With a Badge [Re: Bambi Buster]
BMan
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
I suppose that we should be reassured to see that The Blaze is deeply concerned about child porn losers being intimidated.

I didn't take that from the article at all. In fact, they were mentioning the fact that it was NOT necessary. Rather than address that position, it's far easier to deflect and throw up strawman arguments.

You mention the target may have been armed or violent - if that was the case, why wouldn't they have taken that force to the raid? Is that the common approach to dangerous criminals? "Hey, y'all, this guy may be armed and dangerous. Soooo... let's wait 10 miles away and see if he kills the guys going on the raid, then we'll react."



?????

They had that force in case they needed it - but for some reason, left it a town away. Did you even read the article?


If you're referring to the child porn raid, I just now read the article for the 3rd time and still missed where the "force" was left a town away. Care to do a little copy and paste from the relevant part of the article here to explain what I missed?

One of the highlighted links in the article:

http://www.bnd.com/2014/07/11/3298235/federal-raid-near-alhambra-results.html

Federal agents, backed by local law enforcement, raided Godsey's home in rural northeastern Madison County on Thursday morning. Authorities used a farm west of Livingston as a staging ground before moving on Godsey's home, located about three miles away, near the intersection of Silver Creek and Mriscin roads in Olive Township, between Livingston and Alhambra.Law enforcement also had another staging area at A.R. Graiff Elementary School in Livingston.

4.6 miles away, according to Google maps. Any farm west of Livingston would be further away, not "3 miles" since this guy lived southeast of Livingston. But, with today's reporting, who can blame a source for not knowing the points of the compass.

You'd think they'd have the MRAP closer than that, in case his driveway was mined, no?
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#3709331 - Yesterday at 10:31 PM Re: Vigilantes With a Badge [Re: BMan]
Bambi Buster
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 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: BMan
I don't understand why you keep trying to tie the upartming of the police forces to "zerO's secret army," other than trying to deflect any and all criticism of what is a genuine problem in America today.

As for prejudices, I'd have thought you lf all people would understand EVERYONE is prejudiced in multiple ways. Oh well, you learn something every day...


A. The police are Obama's secret army.

-or-

B. Several tens of thousands of law enforcement agencies throughout the nation are engaged in a massive, sinister, unconstitutional conspiracy to create a police state.

-or-

C. The option few seem to consider, that law enforcement is evolving to meet the threat.

I wonder what we would have seen on the internet, had it existed, when police departments started using motor vehicles, radios, aircraft and ballistic vests. When a few departments, initially Highway Patrol, transitioned from .38 Specials to .357 magnums, there would have come cries of doom. Radar, semi-auto handguns, and hollow point ammunition also come to mind. I can just imagine them screaming, "Forbidden by the Geneva Convention, but OK for the police to use on American citizens. Tyranny is at hand."

And yes, we all have prejudices, myself included. I've made it a point for many years to inform myself and defer to facts rather than emotions and groundless fears in order to negate my prejudices to the degree possible.

Ahhhh... the "threat". Please expound on the "threat" and let us know exactly what it is, why it is a true "threat" and why we need mine-resistant vehicles to counter it. Please provide a detailed explanation, because about the only "threat" I see being ghrown around is crazed Ramboesque veterans who might get violent - even though there seems to be quite a shortage of those events occurring.

“It’s armored. It’s heavy. It’s intimidating. And it’s free,” said Albany County Sheriff Craig Apple, among five county sheriff’s departments and three other police agencies in New York that have taken delivery of an MRAP.

Leftover armored trucks from Iraq coming to local police agencies

Here's your answer:

D. Many police departments are trying to appear more intimidating to the public.

Why? Policing in the past has always been most successful creating a mutual trust between the police and the residents of the city/county. Why has that changed? It used to be "Call a friend - call a cop." Now it's a police force that presents a more militarized appearance, uses militarized equipment, and conducts their daily business using more questionable (and to be frank, more Soviet-, Stasi- or Gestapo-like) methods.

And that's not a good thing.


Not sure if this is sufficiently detailed to suit you, but in answer to your question, I offer this quote from the very article you cited. Appearing intimidating is not necessarily a bad thing. No one died that day. Not a shot was fired. The cops went home and the bad guy presumably went to jail or a psychiatric ward. Win-win situation. "Soviet-, Stasi- or Gestapo-like" indeed.

While Warren County’s Lamouree acknowledged the MRAP will likely spend most of its time in a heated garage, with “minimal” maintenance costs, it could be used occasionally by the emergency response team, which has used armored vehicles to serve drug warrants.

“We live in the North Country,” he said. “It’s very common for people to have high-powered hunting rifles.”

In one recent incident, a team used its armored military-surplus Humvee to approach a barricaded suspect, similar to a circumstance in which it might use the MRAP.

“We rolled the Humvee in the front yard, gave a couple of commands and he said, ‘OK, I’m coming out,” said investigator Jeff Gildersleeve. “That’s the way we like them to end.”


Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/poli...0#ixzz37PVXy16O
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#3709336 - Yesterday at 10:42 PM Re: Vigilantes With a Badge [Re: BMan]
Bambi Buster
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
I suppose that we should be reassured to see that The Blaze is deeply concerned about child porn losers being intimidated.

I didn't take that from the article at all. In fact, they were mentioning the fact that it was NOT necessary. Rather than address that position, it's far easier to deflect and throw up strawman arguments.

You mention the target may have been armed or violent - if that was the case, why wouldn't they have taken that force to the raid? Is that the common approach to dangerous criminals? "Hey, y'all, this guy may be armed and dangerous. Soooo... let's wait 10 miles away and see if he kills the guys going on the raid, then we'll react."



?????

They had that force in case they needed it - but for some reason, left it a town away. Did you even read the article?


If you're referring to the child porn raid, I just now read the article for the 3rd time and still missed where the "force" was left a town away. Care to do a little copy and paste from the relevant part of the article here to explain what I missed?

One of the highlighted links in the article:

http://www.bnd.com/2014/07/11/3298235/federal-raid-near-alhambra-results.html

Federal agents, backed by local law enforcement, raided Godsey's home in rural northeastern Madison County on Thursday morning. Authorities used a farm west of Livingston as a staging ground before moving on Godsey's home, located about three miles away, near the intersection of Silver Creek and Mriscin roads in Olive Township, between Livingston and Alhambra.Law enforcement also had another staging area at A.R. Graiff Elementary School in Livingston.

4.6 miles away, according to Google maps. Any farm west of Livingston would be further away, not "3 miles" since this guy lived southeast of Livingston. But, with today's reporting, who can blame a source for not knowing the points of the compass.

You'd think they'd have the MRAP closer than that, in case his driveway was mined, no?


I also had read the highlighted linked article. I saw nothing there or in the main article that said they left anyone or anything behind when they executed the raid. It is common practice for law enforcement agencies to use pre-designated staging areas a few miles from the target to meet up and make final preparations before initiating movement to the actual location of the raid. No prejudice in that last sentence, just factual information based on experience.
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#3709360 - Yesterday at 11:47 PM Re: Vigilantes With a Badge [Re: Bambi Buster]
DirtyBear0311
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: MUP
But transport will be a non issue anyway if the leo's are militarized already. No troop movement necessary if they're already in place.


Since you're on to us, I might as well let you in on the rest of the secret. Many of the Iraq and Afghanistan veterans who are joining police departments all over the country are the Kenyan's "Secret Army" that many of you obsess over. They are actually still enlisted in the military and under orders. When word comes down from the White House, they will stage military coups and take over their respective departments. They will then hop into all the pre-positioned MRAPs and carry out the Kenyan's orders to start the roundups to fill the FEMA camps.

(I bet if you copied that, said it came from a former highly placed Federal Agent and sent it to Alex Jones, it would be all over the wingnut blogosphere within 24 hours. Alcoa stock would go up several points from the ensuing run on tinfoil.) \:o



Hahaha, I laughed my butt off reading that!
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