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#3706278 - 07/09/14 06:14 PM For those eagerly awaiting the revolution
Bambi Buster
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"Since I started writing about the importance of the 2nd Amendment, I’ve done a lot of reading on pro-2A web sites and blogs. Most of what I’ve seen has been reasonable. Some of it hasn’t. Too often, I’ve seen either veiled hints or threats of revolution, or claims that America desperately needs one......"

http://chrishernandezauthor.com/2014/06/13/stop-wishing-for-a-revolution/
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#3706283 - 07/09/14 06:20 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: Bambi Buster]
Bambi Buster
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Another article by the same author:

"...The public is slowly learning that despite the incessant media focus on guns, actual gun crimes have plummeted. A few prominent liberals like Anthony Bourdain have tried to convince other liberals to stop demonizing gun owners. By most measures, we on the pro-2nd Amendment side have won.

But then open carriers go and screw things up....."



http://chrishernandezauthor.com/2014/07/06/please-open-carriers-stop-defending-my-rights/
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#3706734 - 07/10/14 11:54 AM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: Bambi Buster]
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#3706769 - 07/10/14 12:57 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: Bambi Buster]
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First off,if this was to occur this would not be the second revolution but the third! Any kind revolution would be a scary situation. Citizens being forced to this point by a group of elitist who care only about their own pockets is just the point. Comparing murders to those who want the Constitution followed is at the least disingenuous!

Saying that, regardless who the victor is in such a conflict, the loser is always the citizen. The rich and powerful before the conflict will always find a way to profit. After the First Revolution, there was no central government left at the end at all and the chaos that ensued was nothing more than a grab of greed by the most powerful in each new state. Our Second Revolution had well defined government as the victor but think carpetbaggers. The end result is the same! The people will always suffer at the hands of the money guys!

Any government that is willing to deploy snipers and armed “troops” against a citizen in a BLM dispute and then turn around tell me that they are powerless against an illegal invasion at the borders of our nation has serious credibility problems with me!

I for one wish for a government to do only two things outside of the eight the founders initially gave them: leave me alone and quit taxing me to death!

“But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever.” John Adams, July 17, 1775
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#3706777 - 07/10/14 01:02 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: griz01]
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I like you, griz01 \:\)
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#3706784 - 07/10/14 01:17 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: griz01]
Kevin
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 Originally Posted By: griz01
First off,if this was to occur this would not be the second revolution but the third! Any kind revolution would be a scary situation. Citizens being forced to this point by a group of elitist who care only about their own pockets is just the point. Comparing murders to those who want the Constitution followed is at the least disingenuous!

Saying that, regardless who the victor is in such a conflict, the loser is always the citizen. The rich and powerful before the conflict will always find a way to profit. After the First Revolution, there was no central government left at the end at all and the chaos that ensued was nothing more than a grab of greed by the most powerful in each new state. Our Second Revolution had well defined government as the victor but think carpetbaggers. The end result is the same! The people will always suffer at the hands of the money guys!

Any government that is willing to deploy snipers and armed “troops” against a citizen in a BLM dispute and then turn around tell me that they are powerless against an illegal invasion at the borders of our nation has serious credibility problems with me!

I for one wish for a government to do only two things outside of the eight the founders initially gave them: leave me alone and quit taxing me to death!

“But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever.” John Adams, July 17, 1775


fantastic post.
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#3706811 - 07/10/14 02:01 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: griz01]
AndyW
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 Originally Posted By: griz01
First off,if this was to occur this would not be the second revolution but the third! Any kind revolution would be a scary situation. Citizens being forced to this point by a group of elitist who care only about their own pockets is just the point. Comparing murders to those who want the Constitution followed is at the least disingenuous!

Saying that, regardless who the victor is in such a conflict, the loser is always the citizen. The rich and powerful before the conflict will always find a way to profit. After the First Revolution, there was no central government left at the end at all and the chaos that ensued was nothing more than a grab of greed by the most powerful in each new state. Our Second Revolution had well defined government as the victor but think carpetbaggers. The end result is the same! The people will always suffer at the hands of the money guys!

Any government that is willing to deploy snipers and armed “troops” against a citizen in a BLM dispute and then turn around tell me that they are powerless against an illegal invasion at the borders of our nation has serious credibility problems with me!

I for one wish for a government to do only two things outside of the eight the founders initially gave them: leave me alone and quit taxing me to death!

“But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever.” John Adams, July 17, 1775


Solid!
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#3707276 - 07/10/14 11:58 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: AndyW]
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Can't argue with that
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#3707284 - 07/11/14 12:36 AM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: AndyW]
Bambi Buster
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 Originally Posted By: AndyW
 Originally Posted By: griz01
First off,if this was to occur this would not be the second revolution but the third! Any kind revolution would be a scary situation. Citizens being forced to this point by a group of elitist who care only about their own pockets is just the point. Comparing murders to those who want the Constitution followed is at the least disingenuous!

Saying that, regardless who the victor is in such a conflict, the loser is always the citizen. The rich and powerful before the conflict will always find a way to profit. After the First Revolution, there was no central government left at the end at all and the chaos that ensued was nothing more than a grab of greed by the most powerful in each new state. Our Second Revolution had well defined government as the victor but think carpetbaggers. The end result is the same! The people will always suffer at the hands of the money guys!

Any government that is willing to deploy snipers and armed “troops” against a citizen in a BLM dispute and then turn around tell me that they are powerless against an illegal invasion at the borders of our nation has serious credibility problems with me!

I for one wish for a government to do only two things outside of the eight the founders initially gave them: leave me alone and quit taxing me to death!

“But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever.” John Adams, July 17, 1775


Solid!


Sounds like a not-so-thinly veiled argument for class warfare to me. I thought that was the province of the Democrats and socialists.
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#3707468 - 07/11/14 08:41 AM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: Bambi Buster]
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
Sounds like a not-so-thinly veiled argument for class warfare to me. I thought that was the province of the Democrats and socialists.


Read in what you like I am advocated nothing! Just presented facts available in any history book. As far as this myth of Democrats on class warfare, by the definition recently used dead broke is 10 million dollars! The illusion of class warfare, like all the other Liberal talking points is just a game used insure their continued power.

Those that believe revolution should be anything but the last desperate attempt to save our country's Constitution are those that have never be in a war zone or just a fool.

Would a revolution solve anything? History shows us, probably not. Think about the wealthiest people we currently have, post revolution those would be in the best position to seize the power. Drug Cartels, Street Gangs; they are probably the best armed after the country exhausts itself: or maybe the one of those info stockpilers; Google, the NSA or even Microsoft. Who do you think would be there for you?

We have a government at the present time, corrupt but it is there for those that want handouts. They buy votes from the gullible with my tax dollars; supporting terrorist governments and organizations with my tax dollars; supporting illegal alien with my tax dollars while millions of lawful citizens suffer just trying to exist. All the time telling me it is for my own good.

Again, I for one wish for a government to do only two things outside of the eight the founders initially gave them: leave me alone and quit taxing me to death!

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#3707719 - 07/11/14 03:23 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: griz01]
Bambi Buster
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 Originally Posted By: griz01
.....Those that believe revolution should be anything but the last desperate attempt to save our country's Constitution are those that have never be in a war zone or just a fool.....


Other issues aside for the moment, you'll get no argument from me on that, which as I read it, was the central point of the article I posted.
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#3708329 - 07/12/14 05:13 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: Bambi Buster]
griz01
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
Other issues aside for the moment, you'll get no argument from me on that, which as I read it, was the central point of the article I posted.


My problem with the article was the use of murderers to attempt to discredit the seriousness of the real issue! Why must we always wade through lies and a distortion of the facts. For me doing this just taints the whole article, justtTell me the truth and then let the story stand or fall on it's own merit.





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#3708543 - 07/12/14 10:50 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: griz01]
Bambi Buster
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 Originally Posted By: griz01
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
Other issues aside for the moment, you'll get no argument from me on that, which as I read it, was the central point of the article I posted.


My problem with the article was the use of murderers to attempt to discredit the seriousness of the real issue! Why must we always wade through lies and a distortion of the facts. For me doing this just taints the whole article, just Tell me the truth and then let the story stand or fall on it's own merit.


I read the article a second time to make sure I hadn't missed anything. The issue the author was addressing was wingnut revolutionaries running amok and deciding on their own that it was time to start the revolution. The murders of two police officers and a good Samaritan citizen were committed by Jared and Amanda Miller, two self-styled "revolutionaries" who were too radical even for the rabble defending Bundy. There are those who will see them as martyrs. I do not.

If by "real issue" you mean the sorry state of the nation, that was not the subject of the article. The proliferation of armed wacko nut jobs was his area of concern.
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#3708706 - 07/13/14 10:15 AM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: Bambi Buster]
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
Another article by the same author:

"...The public is slowly learning that despite the incessant media focus on guns, actual gun crimes have plummeted. A few prominent liberals like Anthony Bourdain have tried to convince other liberals to stop demonizing gun owners. By most measures, we on the pro-2nd Amendment side have won.

But then open carriers go and screw things up....."



http://chrishernandezauthor.com/2014/07/06/please-open-carriers-stop-defending-my-rights/


Yep, those open carriers are really screwing things up:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/03/...the-waitresses/



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#3708758 - 07/13/14 11:48 AM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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I only open carry when I'm hunting, and then mainly for convenience.
I could care less if anyone else does it.
Also, if it ever becomes commonplace again, I bet it would be more of a deterrence then many think.
Imagine a bad guy walking into a convenience store to rob it, only to see the clerk, and 4 or 5 customers walking around with pistols on their hips.
Time to find an easier target, maybe a 'gun-free zone'.
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#3708759 - 07/13/14 11:49 AM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: sgtwebb1]
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Also, I bet those gals get GOOD tips!! ;\)
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#3708822 - 07/13/14 01:31 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
Bambi Buster
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 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
Another article by the same author:

"...The public is slowly learning that despite the incessant media focus on guns, actual gun crimes have plummeted. A few prominent liberals like Anthony Bourdain have tried to convince other liberals to stop demonizing gun owners. By most measures, we on the pro-2nd Amendment side have won.

But then open carriers go and screw things up....."



http://chrishernandezauthor.com/2014/07/06/please-open-carriers-stop-defending-my-rights/


Yep, those open carriers are really screwing things up:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/03/...the-waitresses/





Your "open carriers" are employees of a private business carrying openly on premises with the consent and blessings of the owner. Hooray for private enterprise. I'm all for it.

The "open carry" people the author of the article was talking about are different and you know it. For every eye candy pic like yours, I can come up with several more like this. Your argument is invalid.

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#3708972 - 07/13/14 04:43 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: Bambi Buster]
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
Another article by the same author:

"...The public is slowly learning that despite the incessant media focus on guns, actual gun crimes have plummeted. A few prominent liberals like Anthony Bourdain have tried to convince other liberals to stop demonizing gun owners. By most measures, we on the pro-2nd Amendment side have won.

But then open carriers go and screw things up....."



http://chrishernandezauthor.com/2014/07/06/please-open-carriers-stop-defending-my-rights/


Yep, those open carriers are really screwing things up:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/03/...the-waitresses/





Your "open carriers" are employees of a private business carrying openly on premises with the consent and blessings of the owner. Hooray for private enterprise. I'm all for it.

The "open carry" people the author of the article was talking about are different and you know it. For every eye candy pic like yours, I can come up with several more like this. Your argument is invalid.



The private business invites the public to open carry. My point in indeed valid. You pick out a couple of pictures of people open carrying and try to portray everyone as "Wingnuts". Not everyone agrees with your fear of open carry, and not everyone doesn't believe there is no deterrent or tactical advantage of open carry.
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#3709006 - 07/13/14 05:04 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
Bambi Buster
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 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
Another article by the same author:

"...The public is slowly learning that despite the incessant media focus on guns, actual gun crimes have plummeted. A few prominent liberals like Anthony Bourdain have tried to convince other liberals to stop demonizing gun owners. By most measures, we on the pro-2nd Amendment side have won.

But then open carriers go and screw things up....."



http://chrishernandezauthor.com/2014/07/06/please-open-carriers-stop-defending-my-rights/


Yep, those open carriers are really screwing things up:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/03/...the-waitresses/





Your "open carriers" are employees of a private business carrying openly on premises with the consent and blessings of the owner. Hooray for private enterprise. I'm all for it.

The "open carry" people the author of the article was talking about are different and you know it. For every eye candy pic like yours, I can come up with several more like this. Your argument is invalid.



The private business invites the public to open carry. My point in indeed valid. You pick out a couple of pictures of people open carrying and try to portray everyone as "Wingnuts". Not everyone agrees with your fear of open carry, and not everyone doesn't believe there is no deterrent or tactical advantage of open carry.


Good for the private business. As I said, free enterprise. A lot of private businesses would prefer that if people carry, they not be so "in-your-face" about it.

My only "fear" of open carry is that the multiple wingnuts like the ones pictured who love to indulge in it to make up for their shortcomings will alienate a general public (that votes) who have no strong opinions about the 2nd Amendment one way or another. These open carry bozos are not winning the 2nd Amendment any friends or influencing people.

Having survived 36 years carrying a firearm legally, as a uniformed officer, a plain clothes agent, a "camo agent" (for lack of a better word) in a foreign country, and as a civilian, I know a few things about deterrents and tactical advantages. I, and an overwhelming majority of those who have similar experience, find your argument invalid.
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#3709034 - 07/13/14 05:27 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: Bambi Buster]
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster

My only "fear" of open carry is that the multiple wingnuts like the ones pictured who love to indulge in it to make up for their shortcomings will alienate a general public (that votes) who have no strong opinions about the 2nd Amendment one way or another. These open carry bozos are not winning the 2nd Amendment any friends or influencing people.

As I have posted before, I agree your above statement. If more businesses like the restaurant in Colorado continue to promote open carry, the opinions of the voting populace you mentioned above could just as easily be swayed towards supporting open carry.
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#3709072 - 07/13/14 05:44 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
Bambi Buster
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 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster

My only "fear" of open carry is that the multiple wingnuts like the ones pictured who love to indulge in it to make up for their shortcomings will alienate a general public (that votes) who have no strong opinions about the 2nd Amendment one way or another. These open carry bozos are not winning the 2nd Amendment any friends or influencing people.

As I have posted before, I agree your above statement. If more businesses like the restaurant in Colorado continue to promote open carry, the opinions of the voting populace you mentioned above could just as easily be swayed towards supporting open carry.


I don't accept that premise, but for the sake of discussion, let's say it's true. Do you really believe that these OC bozos' in-your-face "open carry-ins" (or whatever the #@*! they call them) are going to convince more businesses to promote open carry, or carrying at all for that matter? Businesses like Starbucks, Target, Chipotles, etc. were neutral about concealed carry until these idiots ruined it.

If you really support this so ardently, I suggest you spend your weekends or other free time going door to door at businesses in your area convincing them that encouraging open carry will increase their profits and make Florida a safer place. Let us know how many converts you make.
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#3709089 - 07/13/14 06:17 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: Bambi Buster]
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster

My only "fear" of open carry is that the multiple wingnuts like the ones pictured who love to indulge in it to make up for their shortcomings will alienate a general public (that votes) who have no strong opinions about the 2nd Amendment one way or another. These open carry bozos are not winning the 2nd Amendment any friends or influencing people.

As I have posted before, I agree your above statement. If more businesses like the restaurant in Colorado continue to promote open carry, the opinions of the voting populace you mentioned above could just as easily be swayed towards supporting open carry.


I don't accept that premise, but for the sake of discussion, let's say it's true. Do you really believe that these OC bozos' in-your-face "open carry-ins" (or whatever the #@*! they call them) are going to convince more businesses to promote open carry, or carrying at all for that matter? Businesses like Starbucks, Target, Chipotles, etc. were neutral about concealed carry until these idiots ruined it.

If you really support this so ardently, I suggest you spend your weekends or other free time going door to door at businesses in your area convincing them that encouraging open carry will increase their profits and make Florida a safer place. Let us know how many converts you make.


Open carry for the most part is illegal in Florida.
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#3709097 - 07/13/14 06:32 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: Bambi Buster]
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I find the story invalid.
He talks about what incompetent morons they are who lack the ability to start, conduct or even know a revolution is, (which I agree)but then he goes on to talk about how this could or another act rally the other incompetent morons into starting a revolution.
So ok there would be more of them, but yet just as incompetent morons as these two.
Only difference is they need a larger toilet paper section. Maybe a super walmart.

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#3709119 - 07/13/14 06:47 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: Dale3]
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I don`t want a revolution. I want a revival. Only a nation wide, soul searching, soul changing, souls saving revival is the only hope for this nation.
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#3709123 - 07/13/14 06:54 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: caretaker]
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#3709133 - 07/13/14 07:04 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster

My only "fear" of open carry is that the multiple wingnuts like the ones pictured who love to indulge in it to make up for their shortcomings will alienate a general public (that votes) who have no strong opinions about the 2nd Amendment one way or another. These open carry bozos are not winning the 2nd Amendment any friends or influencing people.

As I have posted before, I agree your above statement. If more businesses like the restaurant in Colorado continue to promote open carry, the opinions of the voting populace you mentioned above could just as easily be swayed towards supporting open carry.


I don't accept that premise, but for the sake of discussion, let's say it's true. Do you really believe that these OC bozos' in-your-face "open carry-ins" (or whatever the #@*! they call them) are going to convince more businesses to promote open carry, or carrying at all for that matter? Businesses like Starbucks, Target, Chipotles, etc. were neutral about concealed carry until these idiots ruined it.

If you really support this so ardently, I suggest you spend your weekends or other free time going door to door at businesses in your area convincing them that encouraging open carry will increase their profits and make Florida a safer place. Let us know how many converts you make.


Open carry for the most part is illegal in Florida.


And if you can convince enough businesses in Florida and elsewhere to post signs reading "Your ARs and AKs welcome here - Free dessert for M1A packers" maybe the whole nation magically become 2nd Amendment friendly.
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#3709135 - 07/13/14 07:07 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: Dale3]
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 Originally Posted By: Dale3
I find the story invalid.
He talks about what incompetent morons they are who lack the ability to start, conduct or even know a revolution is, (which I agree)but then he goes on to talk about how this could or another act rally the other incompetent morons into starting a revolution.
So ok there would be more of them, but yet just as incompetent morons as these two.
Only difference is they need a larger toilet paper section. Maybe a super walmart.


Incompetent revolutionaries can cause just as much bloodshed as competent ones, probably more.
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#3709141 - 07/13/14 07:12 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: Bambi Buster]
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: Dale3
I find the story invalid.
He talks about what incompetent morons they are who lack the ability to start, conduct or even know a revolution is, (which I agree)but then he goes on to talk about how this could or another act rally the other incompetent morons into starting a revolution.
So ok there would be more of them, but yet just as incompetent morons as these two.
Only difference is they need a larger toilet paper section. Maybe a super walmart.




Incompetent revolutionaries can cause just as much bloodshed as competent ones, probably more.


You cant have it both ways

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#3709153 - 07/13/14 07:27 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: Dale3]
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 Originally Posted By: Dale3
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: Dale3
I find the story invalid.
He talks about what incompetent morons they are who lack the ability to start, conduct or even know a revolution is, (which I agree)but then he goes on to talk about how this could or another act rally the other incompetent morons into starting a revolution.
So ok there would be more of them, but yet just as incompetent morons as these two.
Only difference is they need a larger toilet paper section. Maybe a super walmart.




Incompetent revolutionaries can cause just as much bloodshed as competent ones, probably more.


You cant have it both ways


I don't know what you mean, nor do I fully understand your critique of the article.
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#3709230 - 07/13/14 08:52 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: Bambi Buster]
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster

My only "fear" of open carry is that the multiple wingnuts like the ones pictured who love to indulge in it to make up for their shortcomings will alienate a general public (that votes) who have no strong opinions about the 2nd Amendment one way or another. These open carry bozos are not winning the 2nd Amendment any friends or influencing people.

As I have posted before, I agree your above statement. If more businesses like the restaurant in Colorado continue to promote open carry, the opinions of the voting populace you mentioned above could just as easily be swayed towards supporting open carry.


I don't accept that premise, but for the sake of discussion, let's say it's true. Do you really believe that these OC bozos' in-your-face "open carry-ins" (or whatever the #@*! they call them) are going to convince more businesses to promote open carry, or carrying at all for that matter? Businesses like Starbucks, Target, Chipotles, etc. were neutral about concealed carry until these idiots ruined it.

If you really support this so ardently, I suggest you spend your weekends or other free time going door to door at businesses in your area convincing them that encouraging open carry will increase their profits and make Florida a safer place. Let us know how many converts you make.


Open carry for the most part is illegal in Florida.


And if you can convince enough businesses in Florida and elsewhere to post signs reading "Your ARs and AKs welcome here - Free dessert for M1A packers" maybe the whole nation magically become 2nd Amendment friendly.


Handguns Mr. Sarcasm, HANDGUNS.
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#3709256 - 07/13/14 09:10 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster

My only "fear" of open carry is that the multiple wingnuts like the ones pictured who love to indulge in it to make up for their shortcomings will alienate a general public (that votes) who have no strong opinions about the 2nd Amendment one way or another. These open carry bozos are not winning the 2nd Amendment any friends or influencing people.

As I have posted before, I agree your above statement. If more businesses like the restaurant in Colorado continue to promote open carry, the opinions of the voting populace you mentioned above could just as easily be swayed towards supporting open carry.


I don't accept that premise, but for the sake of discussion, let's say it's true. Do you really believe that these OC bozos' in-your-face "open carry-ins" (or whatever the #@*! they call them) are going to convince more businesses to promote open carry, or carrying at all for that matter? Businesses like Starbucks, Target, Chipotles, etc. were neutral about concealed carry until these idiots ruined it.

If you really support this so ardently, I suggest you spend your weekends or other free time going door to door at businesses in your area convincing them that encouraging open carry will increase their profits and make Florida a safer place. Let us know how many converts you make.


Open carry for the most part is illegal in Florida.


And if you can convince enough businesses in Florida and elsewhere to post signs reading "Your ARs and AKs welcome here - Free dessert for M1A packers" maybe the whole nation magically become 2nd Amendment friendly.


Handguns Mr. Sarcasm, HANDGUNS.


I'll concede that sarcasm is sometimes an egregious fault of mine, but my contention remains the same. Open carry is open carry. Period. To suggest otherwise is to split hairs or be like the medieval theologians who argued about how many angels could dance on the head of a pin. The "Ultimate Truck Gun" in the video at the link below is classified as a handgun. Not a trace of sarcasm there, just the facts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=798eNj0s0Ls
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#3709292 - 07/13/14 09:39 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: caretaker]
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 Originally Posted By: caretaker
I don`t want a revolution. I want a revival. Only a nation wide, soul searching, soul changing, souls saving revival is the only hope for this nation.


Agreed 1,000,000%.
I certainly don't want any sort of "revolution", I just want my country back. Only an idiot would want less.
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#3709298 - 07/13/14 09:45 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: Bambi Buster]
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Open carry is open carry. Period. To suggest otherwise is to split hairs or be like the medieval theologians who argued about how many angels could dance on the head of a pin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=798eNj0s0Ls


Open carry is NOT open carry. Discrete open carry into a restaurant with a handgun by a father taking his family to dinner IS NOT the same as someone carrying a battle rifle into Starbucks.

Using your logic, a 200 MPH Corvette is the same as a Prius.
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#3709307 - 07/13/14 09:57 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
Open carry is open carry. Period. To suggest otherwise is to split hairs or be like the medieval theologians who argued about how many angels could dance on the head of a pin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=798eNj0s0Ls


Open carry is NOT open carry. Discrete open carry into a restaurant with a handgun by a father taking his family to dinner IS NOT the same as someone carrying a battle rifle into Starbucks.

Using your logic, a 200 MPH Corvette is the same as a Prius.


To the many members of the public who vote and rightly or wrongly feel uneasy when firearms are displayed, a gun is a gun. Rubbing it in their face serves no purpose.

"Discrete open carry" is a classic oxymoron, not unlike being "a little bit pregnant." Pregnant is pregnant and open carry is open carry.

To someone who fears being run over by a drunken driver, whether rationally or not, it matters not whether he's driving a Corvette or a Prius.
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#3709335 - 07/13/14 10:42 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: Bambi Buster]
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
Open carry is open carry. Period. To suggest otherwise is to split hairs or be like the medieval theologians who argued about how many angels could dance on the head of a pin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=798eNj0s0Ls


Open carry is NOT open carry. Discrete open carry into a restaurant with a handgun by a father taking his family to dinner IS NOT the same as someone carrying a battle rifle into Starbucks.

Using your logic, a 200 MPH Corvette is the same as a Prius.


To the many members of the public who vote and rightly or wrongly feel uneasy when firearms are displayed, a gun is a gun. Rubbing it in their face serves no purpose.

"Discrete open carry" is a classic oxymoron, not unlike being "a little bit pregnant." Pregnant is pregnant and open carry is open carry.

To someone who fears being run over by a drunken driver, whether rationally or not, it matters not whether he's driving a Corvette or a Prius.


Discreet: tactful, careful to avoid embarrassing or upsetting others.

Most people don't have a clue what is going on around them 90% of the time and wouldn't even notice an M&P on my hip. They are more likely to notice me walking in with a Barrett 82A1.

There is a difference.
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#3709339 - 07/13/14 10:55 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
Bambi Buster
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 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
Open carry is open carry. Period. To suggest otherwise is to split hairs or be like the medieval theologians who argued about how many angels could dance on the head of a pin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=798eNj0s0Ls


Open carry is NOT open carry. Discrete open carry into a restaurant with a handgun by a father taking his family to dinner IS NOT the same as someone carrying a battle rifle into Starbucks.

Using your logic, a 200 MPH Corvette is the same as a Prius.


To the many members of the public who vote and rightly or wrongly feel uneasy when firearms are displayed, a gun is a gun. Rubbing it in their face serves no purpose.

"Discrete open carry" is a classic oxymoron, not unlike being "a little bit pregnant." Pregnant is pregnant and open carry is open carry.

To someone who fears being run over by a drunken driver, whether rationally or not, it matters not whether he's driving a Corvette or a Prius.


Discreet: tactful, careful to avoid embarrassing or upsetting others.

Most people don't have a clue what is going on around them 90% of the time and wouldn't even notice an M&P on my hip. They are more likely to notice me walking in with a Barrett 82A1.

There is a difference.


"Discreet: tactful, careful to avoid embarrassing or upsetting others."

I agree the above definition is a great idea and subscribe to that practice myself. It describes concealed carry perfectly. What more effective way to avoid embarrassing or upsetting others than by concealing?

If your contention about 90% not noticing is valid, that seems to 90% invalidate your theory of what a great deterrent factor open carry is.
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#3709343 - 07/13/14 11:14 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: Bambi Buster]
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
Open carry is open carry. Period. To suggest otherwise is to split hairs or be like the medieval theologians who argued about how many angels could dance on the head of a pin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=798eNj0s0Ls


Open carry is NOT open carry. Discrete open carry into a restaurant with a handgun by a father taking his family to dinner IS NOT the same as someone carrying a battle rifle into Starbucks.

Using your logic, a 200 MPH Corvette is the same as a Prius.


To the many members of the public who vote and rightly or wrongly feel uneasy when firearms are displayed, a gun is a gun. Rubbing it in their face serves no purpose.

"Discrete open carry" is a classic oxymoron, not unlike being "a little bit pregnant." Pregnant is pregnant and open carry is open carry.

To someone who fears being run over by a drunken driver, whether rationally or not, it matters not whether he's driving a Corvette or a Prius.


Discreet: tactful, careful to avoid embarrassing or upsetting others.

Most people don't have a clue what is going on around them 90% of the time and wouldn't even notice an M&P on my hip. They are more likely to notice me walking in with a Barrett 82A1.

There is a difference.


"Discreet: tactful, careful to avoid embarrassing or upsetting others."

I agree the above definition is a great idea and subscribe to that practice myself. It describes concealed carry perfectly. What more effective way to avoid embarrassing or upsetting others than by concealing?

If your contention about 90% not noticing is valid, that seems to 90% invalidate your theory of what a great deterrent factor open carry is.


BB, you are losing ground. BAD GUYS WOULD NOTICE AND BE DETERRED.

Good grief give it a rest.
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#3709348 - 07/13/14 11:25 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
Open carry is open carry. Period. To suggest otherwise is to split hairs or be like the medieval theologians who argued about how many angels could dance on the head of a pin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=798eNj0s0Ls


Open carry is NOT open carry. Discrete open carry into a restaurant with a handgun by a father taking his family to dinner IS NOT the same as someone carrying a battle rifle into Starbucks.

Using your logic, a 200 MPH Corvette is the same as a Prius.


To the many members of the public who vote and rightly or wrongly feel uneasy when firearms are displayed, a gun is a gun. Rubbing it in their face serves no purpose.

"Discrete open carry" is a classic oxymoron, not unlike being "a little bit pregnant." Pregnant is pregnant and open carry is open carry.

To someone who fears being run over by a drunken driver, whether rationally or not, it matters not whether he's driving a Corvette or a Prius.


Discreet: tactful, careful to avoid embarrassing or upsetting others.

Most people don't have a clue what is going on around them 90% of the time and wouldn't even notice an M&P on my hip. They are more likely to notice me walking in with a Barrett 82A1.

There is a difference.


"Discreet: tactful, careful to avoid embarrassing or upsetting others."

I agree the above definition is a great idea and subscribe to that practice myself. It describes concealed carry perfectly. What more effective way to avoid embarrassing or upsetting others than by concealing?

If your contention about 90% not noticing is valid, that seems to 90% invalidate your theory of what a great deterrent factor open carry is.


BB, you are losing ground. BAD GUYS WOULD NOTICE AND BE DETERRED.

Good grief give it a rest.


You sound awfully certain of that.

I don't see that I've lost any ground at all. You contend it's best to carry in such a manner at to be "tactful, careful to avoid embarrassing or upsetting others," (as do I), but then advocate not doing so. I don't see that I've lost any ground at all.
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#3709451 - 07/14/14 07:14 AM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: Bambi Buster]
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I have no problem with open carry if that is our culture. At this time, it is not. Sure, it's legal but i'm not convinced the timing is right.

Unless you are one of the victim groups loved by the liberals and media, you cannot change the culture through civil disobedience and protest. You can and will be openly mocked and demonized without sympathy.

There is a formula for enacting "social change" and open carry moment is lacking in critical elements

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#3709633 - 07/14/14 11:35 AM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: Crappie Luck]
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In my CC class, the instructor specifically and highly recommended we keep our firearms hidden, so as to not freak out the insecure, idiot shoppers (my words, not his).

He explained that as an LEO, it would highly irritate him to have to respond to a call to a Wal-Mart because some idiot got scared from seeing a gun on someone's hip and told the store mgr to call the police.

Of course, the LEO has to respond. So while they could be doing something much more effective, or addressing a REAL crime, he's got to waste time & resources checking the person's CC permit, when it could have all been avoided if the CC Permit holder would have just kept his/her piece concealed.

I think eventually if open carry grew in popularity, we as a culture would just become "de-sensitized to" (or more comfortable) seeing a gun, which I certainly am not against.

But in our current culture, full of spineless, non-thinking idiots who just want other people to fight their battles for them, so they never have to confront anyone, it's just easier to keep it hidden.

Afterall, who's the piece for? It's for yourself and your family - why show it off? yeah, yeah, deterrent, I understand but really? How measurable is that? I mean, exactly how effective is that? Maybe it is, but I contend we'll never really know. Perhaps a bulge in your back pocket is deterrent enough? I dunno. I kinda like just wearing a hat or a t-shirt with a firearm's brand on it. \:\)

I just know that one format causes chaos and anxiety to non-gun people, and the other is relatively innocuous.
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#3709727 - 07/14/14 12:53 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: sgtwebb1]
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 Originally Posted By: caretaker
I don`t want a revolution. I want a revival. Only a nation wide, soul searching, soul changing, souls saving revival is the only hope for this nation.


Agreed 1,000,000%.
I certainly don't want any sort of "revolution", I just want my country back. Only an idiot would want less.




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#3710022 - 07/14/14 04:41 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: griz01]
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Okay okay okay. I give up on the OC issue. Now please excuse me I need to go find someone to pistol whip.
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#3710025 - 07/14/14 04:44 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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Ha! \:D
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#3710029 - 07/14/14 04:46 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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Okay okay okay. I give up on the OC issue. Now please excuse me I need to go find someone to pistol whip.


Discreetly.

A Taurus Judge should be just the ticket.
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#3710038 - 07/14/14 04:51 PM Re: For those eagerly awaiting the revolution [Re: Bambi Buster]
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 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
Okay okay okay. I give up on the OC issue. Now please excuse me I need to go find someone to pistol whip.


Discreetly.

A Taurus Judge should be just the ticket.


That would work. ;\)
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