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#3692468 - 06/16/14 06:57 PM Re: Presidents Island [Re: ZachMarkus]
ZachMarkus
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Registered: 09/04/11
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 Originally Posted By: ZCM
 Originally Posted By: Chaneylake

the pictures that I have from PI are freaking crazy, game cameras from a few years back



I wanna see these pictures.








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#3692769 - 06/17/14 07:01 AM Re: Presidents Island [Re: Poser]
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where can you find how many points you have
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#3692807 - 06/17/14 08:40 AM Re: Presidents Island [Re: Deer Assassin]
AT Hiker
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Registered: 07/03/11
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https://jc.activeoutdoorsolutions.com/tn_quota/public/initcheckAppStat.do

Type in your info and then select WMA quota from the drop down box. Im not sure if it will work if you don have an application on file though.
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#3692825 - 06/17/14 09:03 AM Re: Presidents Island [Re: AT Hiker]
AT Hiker
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Point creep is getting crazy with Pres Island, I have 7 points and if I did the math correctly (which is likely I did not) I should draw in no longer than 4 years, but stand a chance to draw starting in 2015, next year. This assumes everyone with 7 or more points applies for PI.

After this I will likely try to draw another WMA, and years I cant hunt the quotas I will apply to PI to build a point.

One major question I have, max points is 9 so in theory it could take longer because the 9 point holders will continue to grow. Example; right now we have 11 9 pt holders, next year it will be 32, year later = 178, another year it will be 359. This assumes everyone applies for PI with 5 or more points.

I sure hope I am doing my math wrong or I am not understanding how to WMA draw works.
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#3692843 - 06/17/14 09:36 AM Re: Presidents Island [Re: AT Hiker]
knightrider
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the antler restristion on pi is crazy to me when you are having to let 7 and 8pt 6year old deer walk, doesnt sound like great management to me but i dont count anyway. since they draw such a low number of hunters why not a mandatory aging class before the hunt and do waway with the point deal?
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#3692869 - 06/17/14 10:38 AM Re: Presidents Island [Re: knightrider]
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Mud Dauber
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 Originally Posted By: knightrider
the antler restristion on pi is crazy to me when you are having to let 7 and 8pt 6year old deer walk, doesnt sound like great management to me but i dont count anyway. since they draw such a low number of hunters why not a mandatory aging class before the hunt and do waway with the point deal?


That has been discussed extensively on here in the past. If you do some searching, you can probably find TWRA responses. The problem with judging by age is that a hunter has to be pretty informed in order to do that. Getting drawn for PI doesn't mean that a hunter is a knowledgeable or even good hunter. Theoretically, a person could get drawn to hunt PI who has never hunted deer before. A club such as Ames can require a class on aging deer, a WMA cannot feasibly do that. And what if someone kills a 2.5 year old deer? You going to write them a ticket? Send them to court? What if a persons challenges the aging methodology of the TWRA agent? What if the persons bring in 3rd party expert evidence of that deer's age into court? You see the problems? Factual based aging can sometimes be difficult. At Ames, it is the biologist's opinion that matters and is not subject to debate. I don't think you can enforce that kind of policy on the statewide level. The best you could do is advise people to kill mature deer or have ARs. I'm no fan of AR's, but I see why they do it in that case.
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#3692932 - 06/17/14 12:56 PM Re: Presidents Island [Re: AT Hiker]
TN Larry
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Loc: Baxter, Tennessee

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 Originally Posted By: AT Hiker
Point creep is getting crazy with Pres Island, I have 7 points and if I did the math correctly (which is likely I did not) I should draw in no longer than 4 years, but stand a chance to draw starting in 2015, next year. This assumes everyone with 7 or more points applies for PI.

After this I will likely try to draw another WMA, and years I cant hunt the quotas I will apply to PI to build a point.

One major question I have, max points is 9 so in theory it could take longer because the 9 point holders will continue to grow. Example; right now we have 11 9 pt holders, next year it will be 32, year later = 178, another year it will be 359. This assumes everyone applies for PI with 5 or more points.

I sure hope I am doing my math wrong or I am not understanding how to WMA draw works.


The max number is not 9. There is no max number on how many points that that the total can be. It is just that 9 is the max number that anyone has at the moment and probably 9 years since they started accumulating points. You used to be either priority (not drawn the year before) or non-priority (drawn or didn't put in the year before) prior to the accumulation of points. If someone with 9 puts in this year and doesn't get drawn, then they will have 10 points the next year and 11 the next year if they don't get drawn.

Assume from the point total posted that everyone puts back in every year and everyone puts in for the Island and Ensley Unit which will be 80 drawn from top priority.

After 2013 Draw (results already posted)

9 points = 11 people
8 points = 101 people
7 points = 226 people
6 points = 261 people
5 p0ints = 297 people

After 2014 Draw (All 11 top priority from above get drawn and 69 more from 2nd priority get drawn. Everyone else gains 1 point)
9 points = 32 people
8 points = 226 people
7 points = 261 people
6 p0ints = 297 people

After 2015 Draw (All 32 top priority get drawn and 48 more from 2nd priority get drawn. Everyone else gains 1 point)
9 points = 178 people
8 points = 261 people
7 p0ints = 297 people

After 2016 Draw (80 from top priority get drawn while everyone else gets a point)
10 points = 98 people
9 points = 261 people
8 p0ints = 297 people

After 2017 Draw (80 from top priority get drawn while everyone else gets a point)
11 points = 18 people
10 points = 261 people
9 p0ints = 297 people


There may be some people that are in the top bracket put in with someone from a lower point level and not get drawn thus they will earn a point. So if someone from the 9 point status does this in 2014, then there will be someone with 10 next year. If they don't, 9 will remain the top number until 2016 where there are more people in the bracket than will get drawn. Again, this is assuming that everyone puts in which we know won't happen, but there is no limit on the number of points. For 2014 draw, a 9 point is guaranteed to get drawn and an 8 point has a chance.

Hope that makes sense............
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#3692939 - 06/17/14 01:22 PM Re: Presidents Island [Re: TN Larry]
Dan24
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heres a good question. is it true you only gain a point there if that is the only place you apply to?
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#3692963 - 06/17/14 01:55 PM Re: Presidents Island [Re: Dan24]
stik
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 Originally Posted By: Dan24
heres a good question. is it true you only gain a point there if that is the only place you apply to?


no. but if you put other hunts on your app and get drawn, you lose your points.
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#3693125 - 06/17/14 08:06 PM Re: Presidents Island [Re: stik]
Mike Belt
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I don't object to an antler restriction on PI but I can't say I agree with 9 points. I'd like to see some info on just how many deer might be killed before matured if that restriction was lowered to 8 points or better. I don't really buy into the theory that just because they have 9 points they are mature animals ready for harvest. There are way more mature, big 8 pointers dying of old age there than there are 9 pointers.
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