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#3692416 - 06/16/14 06:04 PM Re: Alternative Weapons for Big Game [Re: redblood]
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 Originally Posted By: redblood
the problem with primitive/inefficient weapons is not the effect that it has on deer harvest(none essentially), but rather the black eye that leaves on the non hunting publics perception of hunting. We cling to the fact that we hunt not just for satisfy a primitive bloodlust, but rarther to balance the population. Then we bring out some obsolete primitive tool like these that does virtually nothing to address herd growth, but will undoubtedly provide fodder for the antis- just because we can find anything else to with a saturday morning. All too often we are our own worst enemies.



By this I assume you have never had any experience with an atlatl. With practice they are very deadly and can be thrown very accurately up to 50 yards, key word is with practice, and lots of it \:\)
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#3692427 - 06/16/14 06:13 PM Re: Alternative Weapons for Big Game [Re: in the dog house!]
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Because if guns had of been around the at late would never have existed \:\) I'll keep my boomsticks
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#3692654 - 06/16/14 09:54 PM Re: Alternative Weapons for Big Game [Re: in the dog house!]
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 Originally Posted By: in the dog house!
 Originally Posted By: redblood
the problem with primitive/inefficient weapons is not the effect that it has on deer harvest(none essentially), but rather the black eye that leaves on the non hunting publics perception of hunting. We cling to the fact that we hunt not just for satisfy a primitive bloodlust, but rarther to balance the population. Then we bring out some obsolete primitive tool like these that does virtually nothing to address herd growth, but will undoubtedly provide fodder for the antis- just because we can find anything else to with a saturday morning. All too often we are our own worst enemies.



By this I assume you have never had any experience with an atlatl. With practice they are very deadly and can be thrown very accurately up to 50 yards, key word is with practice, and lots of it \:\)


Sounds sort of like the anti gun crowd. Scared of something they know nothing about and making uneducated opinions. An unskilled person with a bow or gun can wound a deer just the same.
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#3692692 - 06/17/14 12:46 AM Re: Alternative Weapons for Big Game [Re: trealtree]
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 Originally Posted By: trealtree
 Originally Posted By: in the dog house!
[quote=redblood]the problem with primitive/inefficient weapons is not the effect that it has on deer harvest(none essentially), but rather the black eye that leaves on the non hunting publics perception of hunting. We cling to the fact that we hunt not just for satisfy a primitive bloodlust, but rarther to balance the population. Then we bring out some obsolete primitive tool like these that does virtually nothing to address herd growth, but will undoubtedly provide fodder for the antis- just because we can find anything else to with a saturday morning. All too often we are our own worst enemies.



By this I assume you have never had any experience with an atlatl. With practice they are very deadly and can be thrown very accurately up to 50 yards, key word is with practice, and lots of it \:\)


Sounds sort of like the anti gun crowd. Scared of something they know nothing about and making uneducated opinions. An unskilled person with a bow or gun can wound a deer just the same. [/quote



not scared of anything except the numbers friend. we don't have them. as far as the amazing efficiency of the glorified spear, I am sure in the right circumstance, thrown by the right person at the right moment in time they are adequately efficient to take a deer. But just like a 22 lr can kill an Alaskan brown bear, doesn't mean it is an ethical choice.
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#3692694 - 06/17/14 12:56 AM Re: Alternative Weapons for Big Game [Re: trealtree]
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 Originally Posted By: trealtree
 Originally Posted By: in the dog house!
 Originally Posted By: redblood
the problem with primitive/inefficient weapons is not the effect that it has on deer harvest(none essentially), but rather the black eye that leaves on the non hunting publics perception of hunting. We cling to the fact that we hunt not just for satisfy a primitive bloodlust, but rarther to balance the population. Then we bring out some obsolete primitive tool like these that does virtually nothing to address herd growth, but will undoubtedly provide fodder for the antis- just because we can find anything else to with a saturday morning. All too often we are our own worst enemies.



By this I assume you have never had any experience with an atlatl. With practice they are very deadly and can be thrown very accurately up to 50 yards, key word is with practice, and lots of it \:\)


Sounds sort of like the anti gun crowd. Scared of something they know nothing about and making uneducated opinions. An unskilled person with a bow or gun can wound a deer just the same.



no doubt that a deer can be lost by 30-06 or 7 mag just like it can a spear, but anyone who is honest with themselves knows that exponentially larger percentage will be lost, maimed, and crippled by these outdated relics. if our goals is to project a positive image of hunting, control and regulate deer populations, put food on the table for our families and give a noble animal the quick and humane harvest they deserve- What role do these primitive tools play?
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#3692698 - 06/17/14 01:32 AM Re: Alternative Weapons for Big Game [Re: redblood]
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Ahhhhhh ethics, my favorite subject.

I think its kinda silly to discuss ethics in regards to hunting since ethics vary between people, regions, countries, cultures, states, etc...
Who gets to decide what is ethical? Me? PETA? The NRA? Australian Aborigine?

Some people think its unethical to hunt over bait, some people think turkey hunting in a blind is unethical, heck some people even think all hunting or even the act of killing an animal is unethical.

Any weapon including a high powered rifle can be an ineffective or inefficient tool for killing an animal. On the other hand a hammer can be incredibly effective. Pneumatic hammers(or bolt guns) are used to kill thousands of pigs and cows every day.

Back to the original question, should traditional weapons be allowed? Sure. I would never use a spear or a knife to kill a deer because I don't think I am skilled enough to do it, but if you think you are knock yourself out. If you end up wounding a bunch of animals that is for you to deal with both emotionally and maybe legally. There are already laws on the books against animal cruelty.
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#3692763 - 06/17/14 06:37 AM Re: Alternative Weapons for Big Game [Re: BamaProud]
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Here is some neat history about the Atlatl becoming legal in Missouri.

http://waa.basketmakeratlatl.com/wp-cont...I-9-14-2012.pdf

I have never thrown an atlatl. I have never shot a large caliber air gun. But I have talked to people(seen evidence, pictures and stories) that have and they are just as efficient as compound bows in the hands of a skilled person. And compound bows are just as efficient as the person that is shooting them.
It is very odd to see a TWRA official agree that these weapons are inefficient when they themselves outlawed airguns over .25 caliber because they thought someone might kill a deer with one while squirrel hunting.
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#3692789 - 06/17/14 07:52 AM Re: Alternative Weapons for Big Game [Re: trealtree]
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I think the Spear/Atatl is a cool idea
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#3692794 - 06/17/14 08:13 AM Re: Alternative Weapons for Big Game [Re: Deer Assassin]
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Agree with redblood
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#3692814 - 06/17/14 08:52 AM Re: Alternative Weapons for Big Game [Re: redblood]
trealtree
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 Originally Posted By: redblood
 Originally Posted By: trealtree
 Originally Posted By: in the dog house!
 Originally Posted By: redblood
the problem with primitive/inefficient weapons is not the effect that it has on deer harvest(none essentially), but rather the black eye that leaves on the non hunting publics perception of hunting. We cling to the fact that we hunt not just for satisfy a primitive bloodlust, but rarther to balance the population. Then we bring out some obsolete primitive tool like these that does virtually nothing to address herd growth, but will undoubtedly provide fodder for the antis- just because we can find anything else to with a saturday morning. All too often we are our own worst enemies.



By this I assume you have never had any experience with an atlatl. With practice they are very deadly and can be thrown very accurately up to 50 yards, key word is with practice, and lots of it \:\)


Sounds sort of like the anti gun crowd. Scared of something they know nothing about and making uneducated opinions. An unskilled person with a bow or gun can wound a deer just the same.



no doubt that a deer can be lost by 30-06 or 7 mag just like it can a spear, but anyone who is honest with themselves knows that exponentially larger percentage will be lost, maimed, and crippled by these outdated relics. if our goals is to project a positive image of hunting, control and regulate deer populations, put food on the table for our families and give a noble animal the quick and humane harvest they deserve- What role do these primitive tools play?


Unfortunately or fortunately for some there is no evidence to support what you said. So that makes your opinion hold the same weight as the opinions of the people that want to use these weapons. The only difference is they have proved and made a case that they are effective in several states and the states agreed.
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