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#3691939 - 06/15/14 10:41 PM Re: Presidents Island [Re: Spurhunter]
TAFKAP
14 Point


Registered: 11/06/09
Posts: 9512
Loc: Memphis

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 Originally Posted By: Spurhunter
I'm making arguments for no such things. I just think it is beyond hilarious that people say Tennessee can't grow big deer because of the soil or whatever.


You'd better hope the soil on President's Island doesn't spread to the rest of TN ;\)
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#3692025 - 06/16/14 08:13 AM Re: Presidents Island [Re: Spurhunter]
stik
"Popcorn"
18 Point


Registered: 03/12/99
Posts: 20916
Loc: lenoir city,tn

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 Originally Posted By: Spurhunter
I'm making arguments for no such things. I just think it is beyond hilarious that people say Tennessee can't grow big deer because of the soil or whatever.


tennessee IS growing bigger deer without further restrictions
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#3692037 - 06/16/14 08:33 AM Re: Presidents Island [Re: stik]
AT Hiker
6 Point


Registered: 07/03/11
Posts: 857
Loc: Clarksville, Tennessee

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 Originally Posted By: stik
 Originally Posted By: Spurhunter
I'm making arguments for no such things. I just think it is beyond hilarious that people say Tennessee can't grow big deer because of the soil or whatever.


tennessee IS growing bigger deer without further restrictions


With that logic could we not say TN could grow MORE bigger deer with different restrictions?

Regardless I like Pres Island as it is, it gives those who want a chance to hunt a highly restricted place a reasonable chance to do so...though it may take you 10plus years. Take the Arizona Strip or Unit 61 Colorado Mule deer, it will take you a lifetime to get those tags but if your after a 200" mule deer those are your places to go.
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#3692071 - 06/16/14 09:34 AM Re: Presidents Island [Re: Poser]
landman
8 Point


Registered: 11/15/09
Posts: 2436
Loc: TN & Western KY

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 Originally Posted By: Poser
 Originally Posted By: Spurhunter
 Originally Posted By: landman
So TN can raise bigger bucks if you limit the number of bucks killed......Didn't think that could happen


Doh! The brown-and-downers don't like that logic, but the proof is in the pudding.



On one hand, I find it entirely comical that you guys are making backhanded arguments for a statewide management practice that limits 50 hunters per 3,500 acres to hunting exactly 3 days a year, archery only (and with a success rate of less than 50%.) No turkey hunting, no small game hunting, no scouting, no firearms, no out of season access.

On the other hand: Be careful what you wish for.


Actually You don't know what I'm saying, I never talked about turkey, small game
Hunting, scouting, or firearms, but if you think that's what's
Makes PI Great you need to think again, Great hunting
can and does happen with ALL of that
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#3692112 - 06/16/14 10:17 AM Re: Presidents Island [Re: landman]
Poser
Mud Dauber
16 Point


Registered: 07/28/10
Posts: 12703
Loc: Tennessee

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 Originally Posted By: landman
 Originally Posted By: Poser
 Originally Posted By: Spurhunter
 Originally Posted By: landman
So TN can raise bigger bucks if you limit the number of bucks killed......Didn't think that could happen


Doh! The brown-and-downers don't like that logic, but the proof is in the pudding.



On one hand, I find it entirely comical that you guys are making backhanded arguments for a statewide management practice that limits 50 hunters per 3,500 acres to hunting exactly 3 days a year, archery only (and with a success rate of less than 50%.) No turkey hunting, no small game hunting, no scouting, no firearms, no out of season access.

On the other hand: Be careful what you wish for.


Actually You don't know what I'm saying, I never talked about turkey, small game
Hunting, scouting, or firearms, but if you think that's what's
Makes PI Great you need to think again, Great hunting
can and does happen with ALL of that


Through a series of questions, you were trying to bait us into admitting that the management practices applied on PI could result in similar results statewide.

Its 3,500 acres of property with highly limited access with incredibly high deer densities (I believe that it was once ~100 deer per square mile, but let's say 50). ~50 deer per square mile on 3,500 acres with ~20 bucks taken year is not a situation that can be easily/feasibly mimicked. That's not even taking into consideration the thousands of acres surrounding PI that are not hunted. There is nothing about PI that you can point to and say, "See the results! This is how we should manage our deer." You can try to that, but you are going to run into both logical and practical dead ends at every turn.
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#3692115 - 06/16/14 10:19 AM Re: Presidents Island [Re: Brandon Todd]
eddie c
Old School
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Registered: 08/09/01
Posts: 6262
Loc: jackson, tn

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starting over. o points from me.
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#3692221 - 06/16/14 12:37 PM Re: Presidents Island [Re: KENBOB10]
easy45
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Registered: 11/06/07
Posts: 29206
Loc: Chester County

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Well I'm entered again, me and a buddy of mine always put in as a party hunt, he has one point less than me so we are in the 8 point group
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#3692299 - 06/16/14 03:01 PM Re: Presidents Island [Re: 1shot1kill]
JeepKuntry
16 Point


Registered: 01/20/04
Posts: 14434
Loc: Clinton, TN

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 Originally Posted By: 1shot1kill
My party of 3 has 7 points going into this draw. We will continue to put in for the island. Wish we would hurry up and get drawn, im wanting to go back to Oakridge.
This is just an fyi but Oak Ridge is nothing like it was 7 years ago. 7 years ago I would see 10-15 guaranteed on a hunt. Last year I didn't even go back Sunday.
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#3692309 - 06/16/14 03:19 PM Re: Presidents Island [Re: Poser]
landman
8 Point


Registered: 11/15/09
Posts: 2436
Loc: TN & Western KY

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 Originally Posted By: Poser
 Originally Posted By: landman
 Originally Posted By: Poser
 Originally Posted By: Spurhunter
 Originally Posted By: landman
So TN can raise bigger bucks if you limit the number of bucks killed......Didn't think that could happen


Doh! The brown-and-downers don't like that logic, but the proof is in the pudding.



On one hand, I find it entirely comical that you guys are making backhanded arguments for a statewide management practice that limits 50 hunters per 3,500 acres to hunting exactly 3 days a year, archery only (and with a success rate of less than 50%.) No turkey hunting, no small game hunting, no scouting, no firearms, no out of season access.

On the other hand: Be careful what you wish for.


Actually You don't know what I'm saying, I never talked about turkey, small game
Hunting, scouting, or firearms, but if you think that's what's
Makes PI Great you need to think again, Great hunting
can and does happen with ALL of that


Through a series of questions, you were trying to bait us into admitting that the management practices applied on PI could result in similar results statewide.

Its 3,500 acres of property with highly limited access with incredibly high deer densities (I believe that it was once ~100 deer per square mile, but let's say 50). ~50 deer per square mile on 3,500 acres with ~20 bucks taken year is not a situation that can be easily/feasibly mimicked. That's not even taking into consideration the thousands of acres surrounding PI that are not hunted. There is nothing about PI that you can point to and say, "See the results! This is how we should manage our deer." You can try to that, but you are going to run into both logical and practical dead ends at every turn.


I don't know anyone on here that agrees with point restrictions,
but I'm sure theirs a few...
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#3692413 - 06/16/14 05:58 PM Re: Presidents Island [Re: Poser]
timberjack86
14 Point


Registered: 06/20/11
Posts: 7886
Loc: Grundy county

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 Originally Posted By: Poser
 Originally Posted By: landman
 Originally Posted By: Poser
 Originally Posted By: Spurhunter
 Originally Posted By: landman
So TN can raise bigger bucks if you limit the number of bucks killed......Didn't think that could happen


Doh! The brown-and-downers don't like that logic, but the proof is in the pudding.



On one hand, I find it entirely comical that you guys are making backhanded arguments for a statewide management practice that limits 50 hunters per 3,500 acres to hunting exactly 3 days a year, archery only (and with a success rate of less than 50%.) No turkey hunting, no small game hunting, no scouting, no firearms, no out of season access.

On the other hand: Be careful what you wish for.


Actually You don't know what I'm saying, I never talked about turkey, small game
Hunting, scouting, or firearms, but if you think that's what's
Makes PI Great you need to think again, Great hunting
can and does happen with ALL of that


Through a series of questions, you were trying to bait us into admitting that the management practices applied on PI could result in similar results statewide.

Its 3,500 acres of property with highly limited access with incredibly high deer densities (I believe that it was once ~100 deer per square mile, but let's say 50). ~50 deer per square mile on 3,500 acres with ~20 bucks taken year is not a situation that can be easily/feasibly mimicked. That's not even taking into consideration the thousands of acres surrounding PI that are not hunted. There is nothing about PI that you can point to and say, "See the results! This is how we should manage our deer." You can try to that, but you are going to run into both logical and practical dead ends at every turn.
Great post!!
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