#368493 - 08/28/07 09:18 AM
brow tine Question?
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We are in are fourth year of our QDM program and it definitely is a success story. I recommend it to anyone that has control of enough acreage or cooperation with neighbors. We have an extensive food plot program and are not killing any bucks unless they are 8 pt. or better and outside the ears. Only one buck harvested thus far. We bow hunt only, all seasons, and manage the does. We are starting to see some nice bucks. However we now have questions about genetics. We have seen some outside the ears racks with one main beam on one side and a full rack on the other side. We have also seen several nice younger bucks without brow tines. Will a buck without brow tines always be without brow tines? Below is a picture of one of the bucks without brow tines.
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#368509 - 08/28/07 09:29 AM
Re: brow tine Question?
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8 points or better is good to start with for the first couple of years. after that I would start culling any thing over 2 1/2 (3 1/2 on up) that did not have a good rack.
Edited by 8 POINTS OR BETTER (08/28/07 09:30 AM)
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#368587 - 08/28/07 10:18 AM
Re: brow tine Question?
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I don't know if they will ever have brow tines or not, but it is funny how some farms will produce bucks with no browtines, and then just a ways down the road another farm will produce super wide racks.
Pretty wild.
I have to agree though, I would probably start culling any mature bucks I could that didn't have the type of rack I was looking for on my property.
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#368638 - 08/28/07 10:56 AM
Re: brow tine Question?
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I don't know if they will ever have brow tines or not, but it is funny how some farms will produce bucks with no browtines, and then just a ways down the road another farm will produce super wide racks.
Pretty wild.
I have to agree though, I would probably start culling any mature bucks I could that didn't have the type of rack I was looking for on my property.
ditto, this sounds like a really good idea.
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#368656 - 08/28/07 11:21 AM
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The question about browtines is impossible to answer. Some bucks genetically won't have browtines, but yearlings and 2 1/2 year-olds are too young to have fully expressed their genetic basic frame. Besides, the genetics of antlers aren't fully (or even partially) understood yet. Still much to learn.
But one thing is known about the genetics of free-ranging herds, and that is, culling bucks with less than desireable expressed traits will not improve the quality of future bucks' antlers. The genetics of antlers don't work that way. In addition, there is some much immigration of new genetics through the yearling buck dispersal process that is impossible to have one genetic trait become overpowering in any one geographic location. If a particular shaped rack keeps appearing over and over in the same location, it is highly likely that a particular doe or group of related does has that particular trait and is passing it down to their sons. Culling bucks will do nothing to improve that situation.
The only reason to "cull" a particular buck is because you need to lower the over-all herd density. Basically, just to remove another mouth form the environment. Although, in most free-ranging situations, that can be better accomplished through harvesting does.
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#369640 - 08/28/07 08:54 PM
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I was reading in the North American Whitetails about managing your deer. I am not sure what the QDM Program is but the magizine told that managing bucks by killing only the ones with 8 point or larger isn't the best way. It says you also have to manage the does so that the buck:doe ratio is correct. It said that you should see two bucks to every one doe at the min. It also said that managing bucks by their age is also a better way. Like BSK said most younger bucks have not yet become what there genes are going to make them. Can someone tell me if this will really work and what is the QDM Program?
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#369756 - 08/28/07 09:28 PM
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I was reading in the North American Whitetails about managing your deer. I am not sure what the QDM Program is but the magizine told that managing bucks by killing only the ones with 8 point or larger isn't the best way. It says you also have to manage the does so that the buck:doe ratio is correct. It said that you should see two bucks to every one doe at the min. It also said that managing bucks by their age is also a better way. Like BSK said most younger bucks have not yet become what there genes are going to make them. Can someone tell me if this will really work and what is the QDM Program?
Well, howdy Hunter 30, and welcome to tndeer. Some of the questions you are asking could take months to answer, although BSK could answer them in only a few short years. 
We have a forum just for QDM on this site which should help answer some of your questions. You might consider checking it out and seeing if you like the ideas that are kicked around. You could also go to the QDM website and read some of the articles on-line. They are very educational.
QDMA website link
I'm a big fan of QDM and the principles by which they manage deer. Some folks on this sight don't agree with QDM, and many others take bits and pieces of QDM's philosophy and implement those pieces into their deer management. My advice is - check it out for yourself, but have an open mind to anybody's opinions in hunting, and especially on this site. We hunters are extremely avid and opinionated, but I believe it's a good idea to accept each other's ideas and methods while still doing what we believe in.
Welcome, play around with the site and get familiar with it, and join in the fray.
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#370026 - 08/29/07 06:21 AM
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