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#3681521 - 06/01/14 10:20 AM Turtle soup
Poleaxe
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Need a good recipe for turtle soup please.
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#3681531 - 06/01/14 10:50 AM Re: Turtle soup [Re: Poleaxe]
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I am a fan of John Folse's game recipes. His Venison Bayou Blues is my absolute favorite venison recipe and we make it each year for Mardi Gras. His recipes are all very well thought out and deeply rooted in tradition. I haven't made turtle soup before, but, when I do, I will use this one:

Chef John Folse’s Creole Turtle Soup
Prep time: 2 Hours: Serves: 12

Chef John Folse & Company

Ingredients:
3 pounds cleaned snapping turtle
2 onions, quartered
1 stick celery, chopped
4 cloves garlic
1 bay leaf
2 gallons beef stock
1 cup vegetable oil
1 1/2 cups flour
4 cups diced onions
2 cups diced celery
1 cup diced bell pepper
1/4 cup minced garlic
1/2 cup tomato sauce
4 quarts reserved beef stock
2 whole bay leaves
1/2 tsp thyme
1/2 tsp allspice
Pinch of nutmeg
Pinch of mace
Pinch of cloves
1 tablespoon lemon juice
1/4 cup Heinz Chow Chow
1/2 cup Madeira wine
3 grated boiled eggs
Salt and cracked black pepper to taste

Method:
In a 3-gallon stock pot, combine turtle with beef stock or water, quarter onions, celery, garlic and bay leaf. Bring to a rolling boil and reduce to simmer. Cook until turtle is falling apart, 1 - 1 1/2 hours. Strain and reserve 1 gallon of stock. Discard vegetables and coarsely chopped turtle meat.

In a two-gallon stock pot, heat oil over medium high heat. Add flour and using a wire whisk, stir constantly until roux is golden brown. Do not scorch. Should black specks appear, discard and begin again. Add onions, celery, bell peppers, and garlic. Sauté three to five minutes or until vegetables are wilted. Add tomato sauce blending well into the roux mixture. Add beef stock, one ladle at a time, stirring constantly until soup-like consistency is achieved. Additional stock may be needed during cooking to maintain consistency. Add turtle, bay leaf and season to taste with thyme, allspice, nutmeg, mace, and cloves. Add lemon juice and Chow Chow, bring to a low boil, reduce to simmer and cook approximately one to one and a half hours or until soup has developed its great flavor. Season to taste using salt and pepper. When ready to serve garnish with a tablespoon of Madeira wine and a tablespoon grated boiled eggs per serving.

HINT: This soup may be made with equal success using alligator, ox tail or any other soup meat. The use of grated eggs in this recipe is a carryover from when
we used the fresh turtle eggs in the dish.
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#3681612 - 06/01/14 03:29 PM Re: Turtle soup [Re: Poser]
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Let you know how it tastes. Thanks.
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#3682946 - 06/03/14 04:23 PM Re: Turtle soup [Re: Poleaxe]
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How much trouble is cleaning a turtle?

I got it in my head that I was going to catch one and cook it once after throwing several decent ones back, but then I never caught another one that was kitchen-worthy. Haven't attempted it again in over a decade.

I assume both snappers and leatherbacks would be good for this, right?
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#3682951 - 06/03/14 04:35 PM Re: Turtle soup [Re: Crosshairy]
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 Originally Posted By: Crosshairy
How much trouble is cleaning a turtle?

I got it in my head that I was going to catch one and cook it once after throwing several decent ones back, but then I never caught another one that was kitchen-worthy. Haven't attempted it again in over a decade.

I assume both snappers and leatherbacks would be good for this, right?


supposedly, the key to great turtle is to keep them alive in a kitty pool, flushing them with fresh water daily for about a week. However, that practice is not legal in TN.
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#3682963 - 06/03/14 04:51 PM Re: Turtle soup [Re: Poser]
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Plus, totally not worth it. I will be selective about the type of water that I take one from, but if I have to make one a pet for a week to make it desirable to eat, then it's not really desirable to eat.

Imagine if people started saying "deer taste great if you keep them in a pen with a bag of oats hung around their neck for a week before you shoot them". Same thing, in my opinion.
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#3682965 - 06/03/14 04:58 PM Re: Turtle soup [Re: Crosshairy]
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Here is a recipe for General Tso's Turtle. This also supports the rumor about cleansing the turtle for a week: http://simplegoodandtasty.com/2013/09/29/hunting-for-dinner-snapping-turtles-and-general-tsos-turtle
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#3682989 - 06/03/14 05:49 PM Re: Turtle soup [Re: Poser]
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 Originally Posted By: Poser
 Originally Posted By: Crosshairy
How much trouble is cleaning a turtle?

I got it in my head that I was going to catch one and cook it once after throwing several decent ones back, but then I never caught another one that was kitchen-worthy. Haven't attempted it again in over a decade.

I assume both snappers and leatherbacks would be good for this, right?


supposedly, the key to great turtle is to keep them alive in a kitty pool, flushing them with fresh water daily for about a week. However, that practice is not legal in TN.



Is that because of the Pet law? Could the purging process be looked at as part of the meat preparation process? Unless it could be proven that you kept it for an extended period of time I don't the State could prove you intended to keep it as a pet.


Edited by BamaProud (06/03/14 05:52 PM)
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#3683002 - 06/03/14 06:14 PM Re: Turtle soup [Re: BamaProud]
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Would soft shell be good or is that illegal too.I know of a couple..
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#3683041 - 06/03/14 07:10 PM Re: Turtle soup [Re: diamond hunter]
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I think I remember someone stating that the only turtle legal to eat is Alligator Snapping turtle.
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#3683047 - 06/03/14 07:17 PM Re: Turtle soup [Re: BamaProud]
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 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
 Originally Posted By: Poser
 Originally Posted By: Crosshairy
How much trouble is cleaning a turtle?

I got it in my head that I was going to catch one and cook it once after throwing several decent ones back, but then I never caught another one that was kitchen-worthy. Haven't attempted it again in over a decade.

I assume both snappers and leatherbacks would be good for this, right?


supposedly, the key to great turtle is to keep them alive in a kitty pool, flushing them with fresh water daily for about a week. However, that practice is not legal in TN.



Is that because of the Pet law? Could the purging process be looked at as part of the meat preparation process? Unless it could be proven that you kept it for an extended period of time I don't the State could prove you intended to keep it as a pet.


I think SCN chimed in on the subject once and stated that it would not legal to keep a turtle alive, but I could be wrong. If there is grey area, could it be a holding tank on your boat possibly?
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#3683106 - 06/03/14 08:43 PM Re: Turtle soup [Re: Poser]
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I wouldn't eat one if I was starving, stinking slimy things are disgusting!
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#3683108 - 06/03/14 08:47 PM Re: Turtle soup [Re: Carlos Viagra]
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 Originally Posted By: Carlos Viagra
I wouldn't eat one if I was starving, stinking slimy things are disgusting!


Do you eat Chickens? ...jest sayin'
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#3683110 - 06/03/14 08:49 PM Re: Turtle soup [Re: BamaProud]
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Good turtle soup is delicious and I know it.
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#3683128 - 06/03/14 09:01 PM Re: Turtle soup [Re: diamond hunter]
Crosshairy
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Alligator snappers are protected in some states, but TN is not one of them last i heard. Common snapping turtles are more frequently caught everywhere I've been. I'm pretty sure leatherbacks are still legal here, too.
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#3683139 - 06/03/14 09:16 PM Re: Turtle soup [Re: diamond hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: diamond hunter
Good turtle soup is delicious and I know it.


Yep, I love it. Last time I was in New Orleans, I had a bowl for breakfast every morning!
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#3683188 - 06/03/14 11:13 PM Re: Turtle soup [Re: Crosshairy]
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 Originally Posted By: Crosshairy
Plus, totally not worth it. I will be selective about the type of water that I take one from, but if I have to make one a pet for a week to make it desirable to eat, then it's not really desirable to eat.

Imagine if people started saying "deer taste great if you keep them in a pen with a bag of oats hung around their neck for a week before you shoot them". Same thing, in my opinion.


Yeah, but deer don't taste like swampy sewer water either \:D
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#3683279 - 06/04/14 07:37 AM Re: Turtle soup [Re: TAFKAP]
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 Originally Posted By: TAFKAP
 Originally Posted By: Crosshairy
Plus, totally not worth it. I will be selective about the type of water that I take one from, but if I have to make one a pet for a week to make it desirable to eat, then it's not really desirable to eat.

Imagine if people started saying "deer taste great if you keep them in a pen with a bag of oats hung around their neck for a week before you shoot them". Same thing, in my opinion.


Yeah, but deer don't taste like swampy sewer water either \:D


In Rinella's book, he talks about his first (and failed attempt) with turtle. The steam coming out of the pot was green and the smell ran everyone out of the house. His second attempt, used the flushing method.
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#3683365 - 06/04/14 09:08 AM Re: Turtle soup [Re: TAFKAP]
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 Originally Posted By: TAFKAP
 Originally Posted By: Crosshairy
Plus, totally not worth it. I will be selective about the type of water that I take one from, but if I have to make one a pet for a week to make it desirable to eat, then it's not really desirable to eat.

Imagine if people started saying "deer taste great if you keep them in a pen with a bag of oats hung around their neck for a week before you shoot them". Same thing, in my opinion.


Yeah, but deer don't taste like swampy sewer water either \:D


Agreed, but my point is that, if they really taste like that, then they aren't "really" palatable. Basically, if you have to subject the animal to an unnatural environment to make it edible, then it's not really edible.

I think that I would focus my turtle-catching efforts on cleaner streams, like trout rivers in Arkansas. Obviously, the colder water slows their growth cycle, but I bet you could eat those straight out of the water without all the flushing business.

I saw an alligator snapping turtle that probably hit the 150-lb mark on the Spring River about 8 years ago. So there's been one of them in there... \:\)
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#3683453 - 06/04/14 10:49 AM Re: Turtle soup [Re: Crosshairy]
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SCN's response: http://www.tndeer.com/tndeertalk/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=3683299&page=1&gonew=1#UNREAD

Clear water turtles would be the way to go. Only thing is, in West TN, you won't find any water like that between the TN River and the MS. Hatchie is the best you are going to get.
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#3683522 - 06/04/14 12:32 PM Re: Turtle soup [Re: Poser]
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Glen Springs is the only "clean" water around that I can think of.
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#3683685 - 06/04/14 04:04 PM Re: Turtle soup [Re: Crosshairy]
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I'm thinking as long as you don't have "Donatello" engraved on a board above its pool and a couple of play toys in there you would be OK purging for a week.

If I had a desire to cook one I wouldn't think twice about purging it.
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#3683876 - 06/04/14 08:42 PM Re: Turtle soup [Re: BamaProud]
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Some of the best meat I've ever eaten. If everyone had it prepared right turtles would probably be on the protected list. I try to stay away from the stained muddy waters. They bury up in mud constantly and you do have to wash em out. I catch bigger and cleaner turtles in clear 3ft of water and don't have to worry about the mud. I spray them off before I cut their heads off tho. Somebody asked about the taste of soft shelled and someone told me the other day that soft shelled are better tasting than hard shelled but I haven't tried them.
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