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#367147 - 08/27/07 02:18 PM Re: Another example of why I don't like ARs [Re: RUGER]
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 Originally Posted By: RUGER
What does Jim Zumbo's favorite rifle have to do with this?

Oh, nevermind. \:D
Sorry, couldn't resist.


I was thinking the same thing,

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#367164 - 08/27/07 02:36 PM Re: Another example of why I don't like ARs [Re: PMC, certified]
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 Originally Posted By: PMC®
 Originally Posted By: RUGER
What does Jim Zumbo's favorite rifle have to do with this?

Oh, nevermind. \:D
Sorry, couldn't resist.


I was thinking the same thing,

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I had to think about it for a while to figure out what the first "AR" stood for. I finally figured that one out and then the Zumbo line came in. I just figured you guys were on crack again. It finally came to me! Y'all are just always a step ahead.
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#367331 - 08/27/07 04:33 PM Re: Another example of why I don't like ARs [Re: gil1]
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Gosh I'm getting slow in my old age. I didn't figure out what you were talking about until you all explained it.
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#367457 - 08/27/07 05:16 PM Re: Another example of why I don't like ARs [Re: BSK]
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Heck, I thought they were talking about ARkansas!
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#367471 - 08/27/07 05:28 PM Re: Another example of why I don't like ARs [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: WesParrish
A large, and growing, number of hunters can accurately field judge the difference between 3 1/2 and older bucks vs. 2 1/2 and younger bucks.


I'd say we're up to about 5%... ;\)

Try working a check station on opening weekend and you'll see what I mean. Even when I show the hunter the tri-cuspid some still won't believe "that his 8-point is only a yearling". I was also taught that the most accurate method to age a deer is to count the "wrinkles in his ear". I do agree that the situation is getting better, but aging a deer on-the-hoof is a long way from being practical on a public area.
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#367504 - 08/27/07 05:48 PM Re: Another example of why I don't like ARs [Re: BigGameGuy]
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 Originally Posted By: BigGameGuy
Even when I show the hunter the tri-cuspid some still won't believe "that his 8-point is only a yearling".

Know what you mean, and am in general agreement with you.

But regarding some SELECT WMA's that have antler restrictions, why couldn't an OPTION age criteria (in lieu of other stated criteria) be added to the benefit of both the deer management and at least those deer hunters who are more adept at field judging age?

Most specifically, I'm thinking of President's Island as a prime example where having the option of taking a fully mature 8-pointer could be beneficial to both the herd and the deer hunters.

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#367619 - 08/27/07 07:09 PM Re: Another example of why I don't like ARs [Re: Wes Parrish]
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I ain't gonna tell no lie,... no matter how hard i try, no matter how much research and books i look into,.. no matter how many photos i see on here,... i still can't properly age a buck perfectly by looking at it. BUT,.. i can get within a year.
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#368308 - 08/28/07 06:57 AM Re: Another example of why I don't like ARs [Re: deerchaser007]
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I got 2 better than that BSK. Here is not one, but three 6pts that are 2.5+ and I think one may be as old as 6.5y/o.

Yes, they are off limits by our rules. However, we have at least 7 bucks with 4pts on one side already identified with the cameras and it could be as many as 9. All those and we are just now to the time of year they start showing up. GOt two new ones the other day.

BGG and BSK, remember the Pm's we had a while back about "how many" could our 1000 acres hold?

If we have 9 bucks with 4pts on one side, that puts us at around 14 bucks that are 2.5+. The three big 6pts and a couple more smaller that I think could be. 12 at minimum.

In this pic, disregard the middle buck





In this pic, the older 6pt is the rack you see up close. I'll try to post a better pic of him later. As you can see, he has some good lookin friends with him. lol

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#368309 - 08/28/07 06:58 AM Re: Another example of why I don't like ARs [Re: AlabamaSwamper]
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Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you btw. I wish we could do a age restriction instead of AR's. Impossible, hell, some can't even identify number of points!!!!!GRRRRRRRRRR
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#368317 - 08/28/07 07:14 AM Re: Another example of why I don't like ARs [Re: AlabamaSwamper]
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Those numbers sound good AS. When it comes to summer resident bucks, I generally get seven to nine 2 1/2+ bucks on 488 acres. Now once the season gets rolling, the skies the limit during October and November. Last year I ended up with 25 different 2 1/2+ year-old bucks that used the property at some time between Aug. 1 and Jan. 31. Now at no time were all of them using the property at the same time, but that's the number of bucks that used the property at some time during that 6 month period. Of those 25, 24 used the property during the legal hunting season and were harvestable, manageable bucks (lost one to the summer to fall seasonal range shift).
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