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#3661889 - 05/03/14 05:59 PM Wanting a new bow...
Crow Terminator
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Well I finally got to coon finger a Pro Comp Elite with Spiral X cams in my draw length. I saw one at a shoot this weekend and was shocked it was in my draw length and poundage. Me likey. Me likey A LOT. The Spirals are much different than the GTX cams on my Pro Comp but in a good way. I really liked the feel of them. The GTX has a medium size valley but it's just enough that if you aren't pulling into the wall, that it let's you creep a little. I loved the valley on the Spirals. Now the fun...should I just get a Pro Comp Elite with Spirals or convert mine over? I think I might just get the bow itself \:\) If I win enough $ with the current Pro Comp Elite that I have now, I might use that money to get one with Spirals. Haha it never ends.
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#3662796 - 05/05/14 07:05 AM Re: Wanting a new bow... [Re: Crow Terminator]
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I feel your addiction! Once you get to know Spirals it makes all the difference in the world! It's hard for me to imagine not shooting them especially with a hinge!
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#3662986 - 05/05/14 11:55 AM Re: Wanting a new bow... [Re: DixieCrafter]
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There's a nice looking black PCE on ArcheryTalk right now...28/60. I am very tempted. \:\) I liked the feel of those Spirals. With the hinge, it felt very easy to shoot.
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#3663030 - 05/05/14 12:31 PM Re: Wanting a new bow... [Re: Crow Terminator]
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 Originally Posted By: Crow Terminator
There's a nice looking black PCE on ArcheryTalk right now...28/60. I am very tempted. \:\) I liked the feel of those Spirals. With the hinge, it felt very easy to shoot.


Tried to tell you! Lol!
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#3663095 - 05/05/14 02:02 PM Re: Wanting a new bow... [Re: DixieCrafter]
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I know I know. But I had heard the Spirals ran long on the draw and didn't want to order anything without being certain it would fit. Hoyt doesn't make it easy to change draw length on those suckers. You need new cams, string and cables, etc. Every time. Now that I know a 28" fits me well...All I need is to decide whether to convert mine over or just get another bow already built and keep my other as a backup. I would hate to rid myself of the bow that I've already won so much with and shoot better than anything else I've ever had. That could be a recipe for disaster.
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#3663314 - 05/05/14 06:02 PM Re: Wanting a new bow... [Re: Crow Terminator]
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You may want to wait til the new Mathews Comp bow comes out. \:\)

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#3663664 - 05/06/14 07:04 AM Re: Wanting a new bow... [Re: Turd Farmer]
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 Originally Posted By: Turd Farmer
You may want to wait til the new Mathews Comp bow comes out. \:\)


Naah. I don't wanna handicap my shooting by going to a Mathews. Hahah. I've been on a pretty good roll with the Hoyt. I had a bad round at the Benton shoot this weekend and it was still good enough for 2nd place. \:\) That's how you know when you've got something good going...when you have a bad day and still outshoot the majority of the other shooters.

I don't think the Hoyt bows are for everybody...the Pro Comp Elite just happens to be a near perfect match for my body frame and shooting style. The overall geometry, string angle, etc just fit me very well and you can see the fruits of that via the tournament results. I know of at least two other local guys that have the same bow, just in different colors, and they don't really shoot 'em that great. I do seem to have hit a bit of a wall though in my shooting. I seem to be stuck in the 10-14 up bracket right now. I'm not complaining by no means...last year it was only on a very good day that I was hitting those scores, and this yr it just seems to come pretty regular. I don't have much to go before I win out of Open C in ASA...but before I get out of it, I would like to shoot 20 up at least once. I know when I get into K45 or Open B...whichever way I decide to go...that its gonna be a lot harder to get there. But right now I do feel I can be moderately competitive. It just seems that most everybody that is serious in tournaments with a Hoyt bow, has those Spiral X cams...which my bow does not have. So I wonder if that might be the ticket to gaining some extra points here and there that might get me that elusive 20 up.

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#3664044 - 05/06/14 12:57 PM Re: Wanting a new bow... [Re: Crow Terminator]
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Crow,

We all hit plateaus, dips, and valleys in our shooting! Sometimes it takes a lot of work, effort and a "aha" moment to climb to out next level!!! As I have said before Spirals are worth the extra effort learning curve! Once you shoot them and understand the design it really makes perfect sense about the how and why to shoot the Spirals!

When I ordered my Orange PCE last December I ordered in my normal draw length of 29" and it feeels about right. At times I have wondered if 28.5 would feel better?

When I bought the green PCE XL, which was slightly used it had a 28.5 draw length and I thought it would be perfect! Wrong! The number 4.0 Spiral is 28.5" draw on the PCE XL and this turned out to be too short for me! I ordered a set of 4.5 Spirals off of the AT classified for $70.00 bucks. Spirals will cover a one inch range of draw length before having to change the threads. So for the XL changing from a 28.5" draw to a 29" draw length meant I would need new threads!

When I got the cams and made the threads it was time to go to work! I completely dis-assembled the bow to inspect,clean,lube,and change out the cams. Once the bow was reassembled I timed the cams, removed the cam lean, and brought the bow into specs. It was definitely the thingee to do! From what I can tell the draw length on the regular PCE runs about spot on, but the XL mahy run a wee bit on the short side!

You definetly NO NOT want a bow with Spirals that has too long a draw for you!
I have a set of 4.0 and 4.5 Sprials if you need them!
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#3666383 - 05/09/14 10:33 AM Re: Wanting a new bow... [Re: DixieCrafter]
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Homie you just bought 6 or 7 new bows a couple months ago. You starting a museum at your place?
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#3666605 - 05/09/14 02:41 PM Re: Wanting a new bow... [Re: Poleaxe]
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Poleaxe -- I don't really buy new bows. I only have one local shop that I will go to and buy from if I do decide to get a new one, and he just carries Prime and PSE.

I don't bow hunt anymore...I'm more of just a target archer these days. Hunting equipment and hunting bows are the money makers for shops in this area. Target archery is just a very very small minority when it comes to overall bow sales. Therefore most dealers will only order a target bow for somebody that is buying one and most of the time, prepays. In other words...you can't walk into most shops and expect to see a high dollar target bow hanging on the rack for you to hold and shoot. So if you want to shoot one of them...guess what you have to do. You have to custom order one brand new...sight unseen, and without shooting it first. You'll either like it, or you wont. So since going and shooting target bows is out of the question...the only way to find one you like is to buy them. And thus I buy used ones; simply because they are cheaper.

I will set them up for me at my specs...put my stuff on 'em...and then shoot them over the span of a few weeks. This is the first year I've really got into the specific target bow thing. Up til now, I had always had a dual purpose bow...one I could hunt with and double as a 3D bow. I figured out I like shooting bows and competition a lot more than hunting with a bow, so now I'm into the target thing. It took a few bows before I found the one I knew was going to be staying with me. The Pro Comp Elite is a special bow. In hind sight I should have waited for one with Spiral cams. But instead, I jumped on one as soon as it was listed in the classifieds at ArcheryTalk, and it happened to have those GTX cams on it instead of Spirals.

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#3666662 - 05/09/14 04:24 PM Re: Wanting a new bow... [Re: Crow Terminator]
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Admitting you have a problem is the first step in recovery lol
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#3666751 - 05/09/14 06:46 PM Re: Wanting a new bow... [Re: UTGrad]
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I got you Crow. You should know me enough on here by now that I'm love to Crack jokes. Didn't know you didn't Bow hunt anymore though. Never seen anybody that is into 3D as much as you are that throw up the scores you do and don't bowhunt .
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#3666778 - 05/09/14 07:15 PM Re: Wanting a new bow... [Re: Poleaxe]
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I have to admit , if the 3-d season lasted all year it wouldn't hurt my feelings one bit . Crow , we gotta get you shooting field archery . Now that's alot of fun , and you get to shoot more .
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#3666789 - 05/09/14 07:29 PM Re: Wanting a new bow... [Re: Poleaxe]
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I still hunt; I'm just not as gunho about it as I use to be. I just enjoy shooting the bow and the competition side of archery more than anything else. There was a time when there was no adrenalin rush that even came close to shooting a deer with a bow. Then that just faded away for me, and started going less and less, until I found myself not going at all and not even missing it. In the last little bit, I have taken a liking to blackpowder hunting. But during the fall when bow season is in full swing...I have found that the crappie are stacking up and feeding like crazy and the lakes are basically deserted of pleasure riders and other boats. I would rather have a meal of crappie than a deer ANY DAY of the week \:\)

Now days...I get that adrenalin rush when I go to an ASA Pro/Am or other big shoots. There's just something electric in the atmosphere of those things; seeing all the people with their bows and knowing that a lot of them are the cream of the crop in the area they live on the local ranges. I love those jitters just before the call to "shoot 'em up". If there were other venues of target archery locally, I would probably be into those too. But 3D archery is about all there is.

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#3671975 - 05/16/14 08:01 PM Re: Wanting a new bow... [Re: Crow Terminator]
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 Originally Posted By: Crow Terminator
I still hunt; I'm just not as gunho about it as I use to be. I just enjoy shooting the bow and the competition side of archery more than anything else. There was a time when there was no adrenalin rush that even came close to shooting a deer with a bow. Then that just faded away for me, and started going less and less, until I found myself not going at all and not even missing it. In the last little bit, I have taken a liking to blackpowder hunting. But during the fall when bow season is in full swing...I have found that the crappie are stacking up and feeding like crazy and the lakes are basically deserted of pleasure riders and other boats. I would rather have a meal of crappie than a deer ANY DAY of the week \:\)

Now days...I get that adrenalin rush when I go to an ASA Pro/Am or other big shoots. There's just something electric in the atmosphere of those things; seeing all the people with their bows and knowing that a lot of them are the cream of the crop in the area they live on the local ranges. I love those jitters just before the call to "shoot 'em up". If there were other venues of target archery locally, I would probably be into those too. But 3D archery is about all there is.


I'm the complete opposite . Competitive archery has no appeal to me , but I will never lose the adrenaline rush of having a trophy buck in bow range . Been doing it since 1980 and still get that rush . Foam doesn't do that for me .
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#3672106 - 05/16/14 11:23 PM Re: Wanting a new bow... [Re: Radar]
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Just shooting foam doesn't do anything for me either. But its not the foam that makes it exciting for me. Its being competitive that does it. Especially at the national level shoots. You go to them knowing you are up against the best of the best. That's an excitement to me right now, that cannot be duplicated. Especially when you are successful at it. I never have favored deer meat anyway and once I REALLY think on hunting and get to the bottom of things...it was only the competition side of it that I liked anyway. I never liked the killing and I don't like the meat. But I liked being able to say I killed the most or that I killed the biggest during the season, etc. I guess I'm just a competitive person like that.

Tournaments give me something that I can really compete in, with the bonus to it being that I can make a little extra money doing it. I always have a place to go shoot...unlike hunting, which finding good places to go is extremely hard now days unless you own some good land or travel/spend a lot of money.

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#3672112 - 05/17/14 12:03 AM Re: Wanting a new bow... [Re: Crow Terminator]
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 Originally Posted By: Crow Terminator
I never liked the killing and I don't like the meat. But I liked being able to say I killed the most or that I killed the biggest during the season, etc.


Wow Crow...let those deep thoughts come right out lol

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#3672114 - 05/17/14 12:18 AM Re: Wanting a new bow... [Re: UTGrad]
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LOL hey I'm just being honest. At work, it was a big thing for such contests. Especially if you killed the most AND the biggest during the same season. I gave 95% of the deer away to either people that wanted them or HFTH because I didn't want 'em.
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#3674061 - 05/20/14 07:05 AM Re: Wanting a new bow... [Re: Crow Terminator]
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I never got into the killed the most , or killed the biggest buck . For me , it's a solo challenge of trying to outwit a buck , or just trying to get within bow range of deer on a consistent basis . I enjoy well prepared venison as well , so that's the icing on the cake for me .
Hunting is a way to get away and relax . It's my kind of therapy . I don't need to kill something to have an enjoyable hunt .
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#3674203 - 05/20/14 10:28 AM Re: Wanting a new bow... [Re: Radar]
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 Originally Posted By: Radar
I never got into the killed the most , or killed the biggest buck . For me , it's a solo challenge of trying to outwit a buck , or just trying to get within bow range of deer on a consistent basis . I enjoy well prepared venison as well , so that's the icing on the cake for me .
Hunting is a way to get away and relax . It's my kind of therapy . I don't need to kill something to have an enjoyable hunt .


I agree 100%...I don't base enjoying a hunt on whether I kill something or what other people might think of me lol

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#3674267 - 05/20/14 11:56 AM Re: Wanting a new bow... [Re: UTGrad]
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Yep different strokes for different folks.

I don't enjoy sitting in a treestand with it 90 degrees, sweat rolling off me, and then having to deal with skeeters, gnats, yellow jackets, etc. If you do shoot a deer, your work has just begun. Now you are in a race against those green flies, yellow jackets, and the deer itself spoiling due to it being 80-90 degrees. You gotta gut it, drag it, load it, then either drive it to a processors or cut it up yourself. I found myself sitting there thinking of all the other things I could be doing with my time. Same goes for when its cold. I can get a lot more enjoyment out of the outdoors if I am comfortable. And a high of 20 degrees, dressed in layers and still freezing my rear off...that ain't fun or enjoyable to me.

I can sit on my porch in the evenings and enjoy nature just as good. Or take a trip on some of these backroads in the evenings and see all the deer and turkey I could possibly want to see. I can even point the camera and shoot 'em without all the work of having to deal with 'em after the shot.

I think everybody craves a little ego boosting...if they'll admit to it. Most wont. But they do it anyway. If it didn't matter about the kill, and if the kill was no big of a deal...then why take pictures of it, and why send it to all your buddies via phone as soon as you've killed one, and why post it on the forums/social media for everybody to see?

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#3674361 - 05/20/14 02:58 PM Re: Wanting a new bow... [Re: Crow Terminator]
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 Originally Posted By: Crow Terminator
Yep different strokes for different folks.

I don't enjoy sitting in a treestand with it 90 degrees, sweat rolling off me, and then having to deal with skeeters, gnats, yellow jackets, etc. If you do shoot a deer, your work has just begun. Now you are in a race against those green flies, yellow jackets, and the deer itself spoiling due to it being 80-90 degrees. You gotta gut it, drag it, load it, then either drive it to a processors or cut it up yourself. I found myself sitting there thinking of all the other things I could be doing with my time. Same goes for when its cold. I can get a lot more enjoyment out of the outdoors if I am comfortable. And a high of 20 degrees, dressed in layers and still freezing my rear off...that ain't fun or enjoyable to me.

I can sit on my porch in the evenings and enjoy nature just as good. Or take a trip on some of these backroads in the evenings and see all the deer and turkey I could possibly want to see. I can even point the camera and shoot 'em without all the work of having to deal with 'em after the shot.

I think everybody craves a little ego boosting...if they'll admit to it. Most wont. But they do it anyway. If it didn't matter about the kill, and if the kill was no big of a deal...then why take pictures of it, and why send it to all your buddies via phone as soon as you've killed one, and why post it on the forums/social media for everybody to see?

If I hunted just for an ego boost , I'd be disappointed if I didn't kill a deer every time out or the biggest . I have been bowhunting since 1980 , and don't have the desire to impress others , just to share a hunt or venison is more important to me . I probably share more cooked venison photos on Facebook and with friends than I do kill pics.
Get a little age on you , and your views may change , Crow . Competition means less and spending time in the outdoors hunting is more relaxing as you get older .
Hell , I watched a 150 class buck locked down on a doe last fall for an hour about 150 yards away , and it was an adrenaline rush I hadn't experienced in some time . I didn't kill it , but I sure tried every call in my bag of tricks to lure him closer . Best hunt I had all season , including the hunts I killed deer . Success or ego doesn't drive me to hunt . If it did , I wouldn't bow hunt during gun season . It's a challenge for me .
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#3675419 - 05/22/14 08:59 AM Re: Wanting a new bow... [Re: Crow Terminator]
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 Originally Posted By: Crow Terminator
The Pro Comp Elite is a special bow. In hind sight I should have waited for one with Spiral cams. But instead, I jumped on one as soon as it was listed in the classifieds at ArcheryTalk, and it happened to have those GTX cams on it instead of Spirals.



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#3675663 - 05/22/14 01:55 PM Re: Wanting a new bow... [Re: DixieCrafter]
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Will see if Crow ends up hunting this year lol...might have to bump this thread back to the top.

Just busting your chops Crow.

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