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#3656614 - 04/27/14 06:27 PM Re: Tell me again why special muzzleloading rifle [Re: landman]
PillsburyDoughboy
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It loads from the muzzle. It's a muzzleloader!
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#3656670 - 04/27/14 07:06 PM Re: Tell me again why special muzzleloading rifle [Re: PillsburyDoughboy]
ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER
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I just think that price is crazy
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#3656775 - 04/27/14 08:46 PM Re: Tell me again why special muzzleloading rifle [Re: PillsburyDoughboy]
Doskil
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 Originally Posted By: PillsburyDoughboy
It loads from the muzzle. It's a muzzleloader!


LOL

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#3656785 - 04/27/14 08:57 PM Re: Tell me again why special muzzleloading rifle [Re: Doskil]
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They missed the mark. They should have made it smokeless.
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#3656794 - 04/27/14 09:11 PM Re: Tell me again why special muzzleloading rifle [Re: Hillbilly Hunter]
redblood
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 Originally Posted By: Hillbilly Hunter
They missed the mark. They should have made it smokeless.



yep. its like john deere coming out with a top of the line gasoline tractor. interesting but wrong era
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#3656892 - 04/28/14 05:18 AM Re: Tell me again why special muzzleloading rifle [Re: PillsburyDoughboy]
BMan
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 Originally Posted By: PillsburyDoughboy
It loads from the muzzle. It's a muzzleloader!

That is a fact, and that is also the law.
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#3656995 - 04/28/14 07:56 AM Re: Tell me again why special muzzleloading rifle [Re: BMan]
Hunter 257W
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Yeah, I don't understand why they didn't go all the way and make it smokeless. That's a waste of the potential this gun has. It's as if they got all the way up to the finish line and then refused to win the race. All they ended up with is a different ignition system for a ML that can be loaded somewhat heavier but not equal to the Savage smokeless rifles?!
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#3657027 - 04/28/14 08:18 AM Re: Tell me again why special muzzleloading rifle [Re: Hunter 257W]
Wes Parrish
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 Originally Posted By: Hunter 257W
Yeah, I don't understand why they didn't go all the way and make it smokeless. That's a waste of the potential this gun has. It's as if they got all the way up to the finish line and then refused to win the race. All they ended up with is a different ignition system for a ML that can be loaded somewhat heavier but not equal to the Savage smokeless rifles?

That be my take. But even if they had made is smokeless, it's still way overpriced, imo. You can buy tired & proven new Savage Smokeless with Accu-Trigger for less money.

Perhaps there is some limited market for this muzzleloader?
But I can figure it out. Even the Savage Smokeless can be loaded with most any black-powder substitute.

Savage and others have been offering more potent muzzleloaders than this now for over a decade.

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#3657094 - 04/28/14 09:23 AM Re: Tell me again why special muzzleloading rifle [Re: Wes Parrish]
megalomaniac
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States that actually need muzzleloader season to increase hunter opportunity while not significantly impacting the resource place significant restrictions precluding the use of the newfangled muzzleloaders (ie, Colorado- no sabots or pyrodex pellets can be used; no smokeless powder; no scopes).

Tennessee's deer herd no longer needs protection from overharvest during muzzleloader season, so the gloves are off. In fact, Tn already kills more deer during ML weekends as during regular rifle weekends.

At this point, there is no biological reason for ML season... just a tradition and increased revenue for TWRA by selling separate tags.

I agree with the above post regarding whether one wants to spend $1000 on a 400 yard capable smokeless ML, or $150 on a beat up old TC Hawken knock-off. But I also think it has become silly to restrict other hunters (especially young children) from using centerfire rifles if they prefer during what is the best period for deer hunting (in Middle TN).

Here in MS for the upcoming 2014 deer season, we will be able to use any weapon we choose during 'primitive weapon season', as long as one still purchases the 'primitive weapon tag'. No loss of revenue to the state, and those that still prefer to see the cloud of smoke come out the end of the barrel are allowed to continue to do so if they desire.

I'd like to see one of two things happen in TN... elimiate the antiquated restriction of ML season altogether; or at least allow children under the age of 12 to use any weapon of their choice during both ML as well as centerfire season.

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#3657118 - 04/28/14 09:54 AM Re: Tell me again why special muzzleloading rifle [Re: megalomaniac]
landman
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I'm not buying one
But $1,500 msrp retail means about $1,300
and I've seem used converted one for $1.100
and up

Smokeless isn't allowed in many states is the
reason

In the Savage, I had one was never impressed
sold it, buddy sent it back to factory , it never
would shoot as good as mine or his
Pro Hunter.... But it may have just been that gun
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