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#3653022 - 04/23/14 06:25 AM "Seriousness of the charge" = lose your gun rights
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WASHINGTON -- For nearly a decade, the National Rifle Association successfully blocked a bill in Washington state that would have required alleged domestic abusers to surrender their firearms after being served with a protective order. Only those actually convicted of felony domestic violence, the nation's largest gun lobby argued, should be made to forfeit their gun rights.

This past year, the NRA changed its tune. As the bill, HB 1840, once again moved through the state legislature, the gun lobby made a backroom deal with lawmakers, agreeing to drop its public opposition to it in exchange for a few minor changes. This February, with the NRA's tacit approval, the bill sailed through the state legislature in a rare unanimous vote.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/22/nra-domestic-violence_n_5191555.html
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#3653288 - 04/23/14 11:32 AM Re: "Seriousness of the charge" = lose your gun rights [Re: Crappie Luck]
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So an ex-girlfriend or soon to be ex-wife can now strip you of your 2nd Amendment right by filing a police report?

I'm sure no scorned woman would ever do something like this for spite and I'm equally sure an unstable, jealous, violent man would drop plans to shoot his estranged wife just because state legislators pass a law.


I do not agree with that NRA decision nor its endorsement of Harry Reid in 2010.
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#3653299 - 04/23/14 11:42 AM Re: "Seriousness of the charge" = lose your gun rights [Re: de novo]
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I also read and article earlier this week where a judge ruled that an "Anonymous tip? is probable cause.

So a random phone cal by ANYONE can supersede your constitutional rights and there is no expectation that you can face your accuser and the state has no burden of proof as the accuracy or identify of this "Anonymous caller".

If fact, SWAT could make that call as they are outside your home and no one could prove otherwise.
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#3653320 - 04/23/14 12:11 PM Re: "Seriousness of the charge" = lose your gun rights [Re: Crappie Luck]
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I believe the Supreme Court ruled on the anonymous tip case. You lose your 4th amendment if the authorities receive an anonymous, unsubstantiated "tip" now. AmeriKa!
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#3653323 - 04/23/14 12:14 PM Re: "Seriousness of the charge" = lose your gun rights [Re: de novo]
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 Originally Posted By: de novo
I believe the Supreme Court ruled on the anonymous tip case. You lose your 4th amendment if the authorities receive an anonymous, unsubstantiated "tip" now. AmeriKa!


Yep, they just did that.
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#3653326 - 04/23/14 12:19 PM Re: "Seriousness of the charge" = lose your gun rights [Re: Unicam]
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I will refrain comment as it won't be popular among the nra faithful.
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#3653328 - 04/23/14 12:21 PM Re: "Seriousness of the charge" = lose your gun rights [Re: de novo]
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 Originally Posted By: de novo
So an ex-girlfriend or soon to be ex-wife can now strip you of your 2nd Amendment right by filing a police report?



and they never face charges for the flase reports
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#3653332 - 04/23/14 12:25 PM Re: "Seriousness of the charge" = lose your gun rights [Re: RUGER]
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 Originally Posted By: RUGER
I will refrain comment as it won't be popular among the nra faithful.

Personally, I don't think the NRA is the real problem here, and it's more an issue of their becoming the scapegoat. Also have to wonder if the manner of the reports was done in an attempt to accomplish just that, cast the blame on the NRA instead of those outright attacking your 2nd Amendment rights.

 Originally Posted By: de novo
I do not agree with that NRA decision nor its endorsement of Harry Reid in 2010.

On the surface and in the absence of other information, I totally agree with you. I also know that many decisions we don't like are still the lesser of two evils.

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#3653337 - 04/23/14 12:34 PM Re: "Seriousness of the charge" = lose your gun rights [Re: RUGER]
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 Originally Posted By: RUGER
I will refrain comment as it won't be popular among the nra faithful.



But they do good than not, and nobody stands up better for your money in DC than the NRA I'll continue to send them my money. In return, they'll flood my email & mailbox with donation requests every other day. \:D
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#3653604 - 04/23/14 07:31 PM Re: "Seriousness of the charge" = lose your gun rights [Re: TAFKAP]
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No need to be suddenly outraged. This has been the law for 17 years:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_Violence_Offender_Gun_Ban

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