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#3649828 - Yesterday at 12:58 PM Benefits of trapping?
BHC
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How impactful can mild- moderate trapping efforts have on a deer herd?
On our property 3300 acres, if we removed 10 yotes trapping and say 5 to gun in a yr, so 15 yotes. To me that could have a huge impact.. If half of those were females, 7, that could be a minimum of 40+ pups not born/ have to be fed the next spring..

What are the facts out there on the subject? Fawn recruitment? Total herd numbers? Reduction in daily stress?

This is mainly Forrestland. 3300 acres of pines, clear cuts, and hardwood bottoms...
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#3649835 - Yesterday at 01:12 PM Re: Benefits of trapping? [Re: BHC]
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I've been told by coyote experts that a lot depends on which coyote you remove. They supposedly have some pretty strict "social order" that if memory serves me correct is controlled by an "alpha" female. As long as she is in control, the actual yote population may be surpressed. If you kill her, it may allow an increased number of yotes to expand into that range until another alpha animal emerges and the population goes back down. You actually end up with increasing your yote population.

Make sure you shoot the right one!


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#3649869 - Yesterday at 01:51 PM Re: Benefits of trapping? [Re: scn]
BHC
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That sounds impossible to know...
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#3649881 - Yesterday at 02:27 PM Re: Benefits of trapping? [Re: BHC]
scn
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 Originally Posted By: BHC
That sounds impossible to know...


Pretty much so.

It is one of the reasons coyote control is so difficult. You can go back 20-30 years and read about the "coyote wars" they had out west trying to reduce populations for the ranchers to see how difficult it is. The governments have spent major dollars with government trappers and killers trying to reduce yote populations, and are still fighting the battles.

I'm certainly not saying it is a bad idea, but it is something you may not see a big bang for your bucks in doing.
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#3649888 - Yesterday at 02:39 PM Re: Benefits of trapping? [Re: scn]
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Removing as many coyotes and other predators as possible right during the turkey nesting and fawning season makes the most sense to me.
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#3649927 - Yesterday at 03:53 PM Re: Benefits of trapping? [Re: smstone22]
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From what I have read smstone22 is correct. Coyotes are in summer home ranges from early spring until fall.. Those are the coyotes that work on your fawns and poults the most.. So trapping from feb-bow season may be the most effective.. Most surveys I've seen saw an increase in fawn recruitment after taking initiative to remove predators, primarily coyotes..
Somehow these properties didn't see increases in deer density tho.
Maybe this allows more of your healthiest deer to survive tho. Allowing them to reach an age where they can fend for themselves before they are picked off..
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#3650395 - Today at 08:55 AM Re: Benefits of trapping? [Re: BHC]
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Hitting fawn predators as hard as possible just before fawning time appears to produce the most dramatic increases in fawn survival.
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#3650487 - Today at 11:51 AM Re: Benefits of trapping? [Re: BSK]
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What we need is a piece of ground that has some years of history regarding fawn survival history. Then trap the place hard. Then watch recruitment levels. Who would own a piece of land like that?????????

Sorry BSK.

Two things I do know about coyote predation: (1) they move into your neighborhood there will be no stray cats or dogs within 2 months. (2) Toddler-sized humans or deer are prey.

I have observed coyotes chasing down ground squirrels. Fawns & poults don't have a chance.

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