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#3653137 - 04/23/14 09:10 AM Re: Deer population & hunter success in decline? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: TX300mag
In Texas a lot of people are getting frustrated and throwing in the towel, so I would say hunter numbers are dwindling. Factors I've noticed:

1. Lease prices
2. Lack of available land
3. Unrealistic expectations resulting in dissatisfaction

All of these (IMO) are a direct result of obsession with trophy sized antlers. People are no longer satisfied with joining an inexpensive camp, lease, or hunting public ground and killing deer. Hunting shows and trophy hunters condition many to feel like a successful hunt has to be a mature animal with large antlers.

I REALLY hope I don't see TN going down that same path.


I agree with deerhunter10; it is happening in TN, just not quite as bad as in TX and some of the Midwestern states.

In my opinion, your 3rd point about "unrealistic expectations" is the real killer. I'm becoming appalled at the rhetoric I see presented on TV hunting shows and even from organizations such as the QDMA. Their ever-increasing standards of what qualifies as a "worthy" deer for harvest is FAR beyond what is realistic for 95% of deer hunters. In fact, if you listen to today's hunting media, anything less than a 5 1/2+ year-old buck is a "young" buck that should be protected. I can promise you that mathematically, if that were the criteria of hunting "success," success rates among hunters would be so low as to drive 95+% of them out of the hunting world forever.

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The one exception, and I think it just might potentially be a game changer, is the locavore/natural/back to basics group that is hunting for the opportunity to harvest fresh, natural meat as a food source.


Agreed. In fact, they may be the ones driving the sudden uptick in hunter numbers observed in the last hunting census.


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#3653139 - 04/23/14 09:13 AM Re: Deer population & hunter success in decline? [Re: BSK]
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It's sad, but I've seen people in Texas ostracized, made fun of, and looked down on for their FIRST deer being a 2.5 and even 3.5 year old buck.

I remember one instance in particular where a young hunter (13-14 years old) walked away during the early season and never came back. He watched his father being ridiculed and chastised for killing his first deer, which was an 8 point buck that didn't meet other hunters standard (no rule violated). Way to introduce two new hunters to the sport.
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#3653162 - 04/23/14 09:30 AM Re: Deer population & hunter success in decline? [Re: TX300mag]
stik
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 Originally Posted By: TX300mag
It's sad, but I've seen people in Texas ostracized, made fun of, and looked down on for their FIRST deer being a 2.5 and even 3.5 year old buck.

I remember one instance in particular where a young hunter (13-14 years old) walked away during the early season and never came back. He watched his father being ridiculed and chastised for killing his first deer, which was an 8 point buck that didn't meet other hunters standard (no rule violated). Way to introduce two new hunters to the sport.


that happens here(tndeer) too. there are those amongst us who belittle others' deer if they don't meet their standards.
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#3653226 - 04/23/14 10:18 AM Re: Deer population & hunter success in decline? [Re: stik]
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TV hunting has just about ruined it. Now if you don't kill a 150"er behind your house with a brand new Mathews you aren't cool enough to hunt.

Instead of TV hunters trying to teach people new to the sport how to hunt, they have just gone to making money and trying to sell their crap.

So many new hunters buy the deer calls, doe pee, and attractants, (like acorn rage and trophy rock) and expect instant success. When they hunt opening weekend and see nothing, or kill a yearling buck, they are ridiculed and discouraged and therefore quit.

In order to be like the TV people, you have to be lucky in the fact that you know some people with access to these great lands, or you have to be rich without a family in order to find a lease that has big bucks.

TV hunting is just dispicable. I remember when it was good entertainment as well as educational, but now it is all about the antlers and money.

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#3653228 - 04/23/14 10:23 AM Re: Deer population & hunter success in decline? [Re: woodsman87]
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I went through a trophy stage, where I wasn't going to shoot anything unless it was mountable, and It had to be big enough to impress my friends. I used to frown upon people for shooting yearlings. I am no longer like that. It makes me feel so much better now that I am mature as a sportsman, and if a hunter is happy with an animal he/she killed then congrats to them.

I hunt for myself now. If I feel like shooting a small 2-1/2 year old six point I shoot him. I do not post pictures of any animal I kill or fish I catch. I do not like to brag about anything that I shoot. It is a personal accomplishment to myself, so I keep it to myself.

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#3653355 - 04/23/14 12:57 PM Re: Deer population & hunter success in decline? [Re: woodsman87]
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Your right woodsman87 I have only me to please and i choose to hunt the 3 1/2 yr old deer and up,not the rack as much anymore. I killed nothing last yr passing on 14 different bucks. I HATE the RACK IN A SACK seed and mineral companies the staged tv shows it has done more damage to our sport than anything else listed. We need to hunt to please our self so we as hunters need to start looking around to see what we are supporting
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#3653872 - 04/24/14 06:05 AM Re: Deer population & hunter success in decline? [Re: barkscraper]
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Throw EHD into the mix & you might find part of the reasons for some states wanting a lower deer density # ,they were trying to kill every deer in some states & county's in order to stop it. It can occur naturally so it wont ever be eradicated but the spread can be slowed down by limiting the population
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#3653899 - 04/24/14 06:56 AM Re: Deer population & hunter success in decline? [Re: mike243]
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 Originally Posted By: mike243
Throw EHD into the mix & you might find part of the reasons for some states wanting a lower deer density # ,they were trying to kill every deer in some states & county's in order to stop it. It can occur naturally so it wont ever be eradicated but the spread can be slowed down by limiting the population


mike243,

EHD is not contagious. It does not spread from deer to deer. Deer density has no relation to outbreaks of EHD or those outbreaks' severity. The chance of an individual deer getting EHD is the same if the density is 5 or 50 deer per square mile.
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#3654080 - 04/24/14 10:30 AM Re: Deer population & hunter success in decline? [Re: mike243]
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 Originally Posted By: mike243
Throw EHD into the mix & you might find part of the reasons for some states wanting a lower deer density # ,they were trying to kill every deer in some states & county's in order to stop it. It can occur naturally so it wont ever be eradicated but the spread can be slowed down by limiting the population


I think you have EHD and CWD confused. CWD is the one that is speculated to be spread by too high a concentration of deer. I really wonder sometimes if they know exactly what causes it, I am just glad it has not yet been found here.
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#3654575 - 04/24/14 08:18 PM Re: Deer population & hunter success in decline? [Re: BSK]
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TWRA showed a graph today that showed TN 3.5 yr old buck harvest has dropped the last 2-3 yrs we are now back to the same amount killed in 2008
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