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#3644024 - 04/14/14 07:46 AM This weeks freeze?
buckaroo
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Does it look like mid 20's will kill this years acorn crop?
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#3644033 - 04/14/14 07:53 AM Re: This weeks freeze? [Re: buckaroo]
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I would be prepared for no acorns this fall. I remember in April of 2007 we hit the 20s after green up. All the leaves turned black, not a single acorn that year on my place.
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#3644359 - 04/14/14 01:17 PM Re: This weeks freeze? [Re: woodsman87]
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I don't know if the oak blooms have formed yet. The late green-up MIGHT save us, but it's not looking good.
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#3644529 - 04/14/14 03:51 PM Re: This weeks freeze? [Re: BSK]
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I'm in Carroll county, my red oaks have long blooms everywhere...
The White oaks are just beginning to come in.

My latest area forecast is showing 1 - 2 hours of freezing temps early Wednesday morning (4-6 am). I'm hoping this won't hurt anything.
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#3644622 - 04/14/14 05:09 PM Re: This weeks freeze? [Re: TNlandowner]
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Im just worried about my apple trees that are loaded with blooms.
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#3644674 - 04/14/14 05:48 PM Re: This weeks freeze? [Re: smstone22]
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Apples can take 25 degrees for couple of hours the best I can remember.
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#3644716 - 04/14/14 06:15 PM Re: This weeks freeze? [Re: buckaroo]
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 Originally Posted By: buckaroo
Apples can take 25 degrees for couple of hours the best I can remember.

Yes. I have posted that chart before that lists the % kill. With Nashville calling for 28, Im afraid the mountain will be below 25. Hope not.
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#3644827 - 04/14/14 07:30 PM Re: This weeks freeze? [Re: smstone22]
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Now, tell me again, just what is it that's so bad about global warming?
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#3644955 - 04/14/14 08:47 PM Re: This weeks freeze? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Most of the oaks here near Fairview are blooming heavy. It will probably be a good year to plant some corn (to leave standing)if the temps do get in the 20's. There is one positive thing about a poor mast crop, the deer will have to move more to find their groceries. This will make hunting much easier for those who like to watch green fields.
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#3644967 - 04/14/14 08:51 PM Re: This weeks freeze? [Re: Farm manager]
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24 Here.
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#3644969 - 04/14/14 08:51 PM Re: This weeks freeze? [Re: Farm manager]
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Around here the Oaks haven't gotten started yet.
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#3644983 - 04/14/14 08:58 PM Re: This weeks freeze? [Re: timberjack86]
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i hope everything makes it
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#3645126 - 04/14/14 11:27 PM Re: This weeks freeze? [Re: ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER]
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not looking good. hopefully I am wrong.
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#3645311 - 04/15/14 07:24 AM Re: This weeks freeze? [Re: ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER]
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 Originally Posted By: ROUGH COUNTRY HUNTER
i hope everything makes it


They won't. Not with the forecast temps. Expect at least a very poor fruit year. Acorn crop will be iffy. In Middle TN, most oaks are already blooming.
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#3645319 - 04/15/14 07:29 AM Re: This weeks freeze? [Re: Farm manager]
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 Originally Posted By: Farm manager
There is one positive thing about a poor mast crop, the deer will have to move more to find their groceries.


That is the one positive of an acorn failure. Deer have to move more and farther to feed, which increases deer sightings and kills by hunters. Kill numbers generally take a jump in poor acorn years.
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#3645322 - 04/15/14 07:34 AM Re: This weeks freeze? [Re: BSK]
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I guess it had to happen. We've been lucky locally, as we haven't experienced an acorn failure since 2007. Past history (the last 30 years) shows a very poor acorn crop occurring in 2 years out of every 5 year period. But in the 6 years since 2007, only 2010 was close to a very poor year.
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#3645435 - 04/15/14 09:00 AM Re: This weeks freeze? [Re: BSK]
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I agree that low acorn years are definately better for seeing and killing deer on the hoof. But, IMO, I like big acorn years. But I am more worried about the health of deer and wild turkeys for now and the future than I am about killing them.
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#3645549 - 04/15/14 11:08 AM Re: This weeks freeze? [Re: woodsman87]
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I too like the heavy mast years, I enjoy knowing animals aren't starving.
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#3645612 - 04/15/14 11:59 AM Re: This weeks freeze? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
I guess it had to happen. We've been lucky locally, as we haven't experienced an acorn failure since 2007. Past history (the last 30 years) shows a very poor acorn crop occurring in 2 years out of every 5 year period. But in the 6 years since 2007, only 2010 was close to a very poor year.

THAT SAID, it will not surprise me should we end up with a bumper acorn crop this year! I just don't think we can say much anything with certainty (at this point) regarding this fall's acorn crop?

Ironically, last year's poor acorn crop really HURT my deer hunting, never mind we had some pretty nice food plots. What we also had was a super-abundance of other deer foods (particularly honeysuckle) brought on by the consistent and above-average rainfall during the 2013 summer and early fall. So the deer didn't have acorns, but they had honeysuckle instead, and seemed happier with that than our food plots.

2013 was a very poor acorn crop in my areas of Stewart County, just a hop & a skip from where you had a pretty good crop.
Go figure.

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#3645681 - 04/15/14 01:06 PM Re: This weeks freeze? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Looks like we will have back to back years for a mast failure if we do indeed have a hard freeze. Last year hard mast was non-existent where I live.
Personally I have much better luck and more deer sightings when we have a bumper crop of acorns as my property is 90% hardwoods surrounded by a 13 year old clearcut. On a good mast year my Oaks pull deer out of the clearcut like a magnet.
Most, if not all of my Oak's are in full bloom, doesn't look good at all.
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#3646458 - 04/16/14 07:20 AM Re: This weeks freeze? [Re: bigtex]
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I'm encouraged by the temps I'm seeing reported. Nowhere near as low as forecast. Most stations reported lows of only 28-30, and then only for a couple of hours. I'll know more in a couple of days, when I can assess plant damage.
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#3646467 - 04/16/14 07:22 AM Re: This weeks freeze? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
 Originally Posted By: BSK
I guess it had to happen. We've been lucky locally, as we haven't experienced an acorn failure since 2007. Past history (the last 30 years) shows a very poor acorn crop occurring in 2 years out of every 5 year period. But in the 6 years since 2007, only 2010 was close to a very poor year.

2013 was a very poor acorn crop in my areas of Stewart County, just a hop & a skip from where you had a pretty good crop.
Go figure.


Never ceases to amaze me how localized acorn crops can be. I've seen failures on one property, yet good acorn crops on another property just down the road. That's why it's so important to keep detailed records for each given location over the years. Each property's acorn fruiting pattern will be different.

On my place last year, the acorn production pattern was very strange. I found groves of white oaks absolutely pouring out acorns. Yet those groves of producing trees were very much isolated in pockets sometimes 150 yards or more apart. So although an abundant volume of acorns existed for deer, those acorns did not exist everywhere. In fact, acorns covered only a small percentage of the ground surface. Yet where they existed, the volume of acorns was extraordinary.
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#3646488 - 04/16/14 07:34 AM Re: This weeks freeze? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
I'm encouraged by the temps I'm seeing reported. Nowhere near as low as forecast. Most stations reported lows of only 28-30, and then only for a couple of hours. I'll know more in a couple of days, when I can assess plant damage.


I had 26 on my thermometer at home this morning at 5:30 when I left for work, so we probably bottomed out at 24 or 25.

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#3646530 - 04/16/14 07:57 AM Re: This weeks freeze? [Re: woodchuckc]
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I think my place will be fine. It looks like only the bottom fields and grass got covered with frost. Looks like 29 was the low at my place. The higher ridgetops where not frosty, I believe it stayed too windy. So I believe the plants will be fine.

Looks like it knocked back some of the weeds in my yard, which I am proud of!

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#3646635 - 04/16/14 08:48 AM Re: This weeks freeze? [Re: woodchuckc]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
I'm encouraged by the temps I'm seeing reported. Nowhere near as low as forecast. Most stations reported lows of only 28-30, and then only for a couple of hours. I'll know more in a couple of days, when I can assess plant damage.


I had 26 on my thermometer at home this morning at 5:30 when I left for work, so we probably bottomed out at 24 or 25.


Ouch. That will hurt.
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#3647526 - 04/16/14 09:04 PM Re: This weeks freeze? [Re: BSK]
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OUCH! 16 month Dunstan Chestnut project took a hit!

These beautiful young trees have been "Pampered" until this morning. I planted them from their rootmaker pots in late February. Over the past two weeks, all 30+ trees have sprouted tender leaves and new stalks.

Sadly, most of them have frost damage on the upper leafs. Thankfully, the lower leafs were protected by the tree tubes.

I don't know what to expect next. Hopefully they aren't permanently injured.

On another positive note, my blueberry plants as well as fruit trees seem to be ok. No signs of damage on the pear, plum, apple, crabapple, peach, or cherry trees.


Edited by TNlandowner (04/16/14 09:05 PM)
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#3647771 - 04/17/14 07:54 AM Re: This weeks freeze? [Re: TNlandowner]
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Sadly, most of them have frost damage on the upper leafs. Thankfully, the lower leafs were protected by the tree tubes.

I don't know what to expect next. Hopefully they aren't permanently injured.


As long as they have the extra energy to regrow those leaves, they will. However, that kind of damage can certainly weaken the trees, and can kill an already weak tree.

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On another positive note, my blueberry plants as well as fruit trees seem to be ok. No signs of damage on the pear, plum, apple, crabapple, peach, or cherry trees.


That is VERY good news TNlandowner!
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#3647859 - 04/17/14 09:18 AM Re: This weeks freeze? [Re: BSK]
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It looks like the red oaks kept their buds. Also, my white oaks (including post oaks) have green buds coming out.

I think my area trees and plants will be ok, unless another frost comes.
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