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#3644213 - 04/14/14 10:36 AM Re: More info of the BLM/Bundy stand off [Re: Crappie Luck]
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I have 4 questions that I feel need to be answered, regardless of fault or guilt on this:

1. Why does BLM have pre-made signs that say “First Amendment Area”?
2. Were snipers really deployed against American Citizens on American soil?
3. Is any Government official tied to this in any way making a profit?
4. Why did the FAA issue a No-Fly Zone?

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#3644227 - 04/14/14 10:50 AM Re: More info of the BLM/Bundy stand off [Re: griz01]
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#3644237 - 04/14/14 10:57 AM Re: More info of the BLM/Bundy stand off [Re: Crappie Luck]
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#3644253 - 04/14/14 11:15 AM Re: More info of the BLM/Bundy stand off [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Another take on this anti goobermint, anti American, cattle rancher...

Why the feds chickened out on a Nevada ranch

Kevin McCullough - Guest Columnist http://www.baldwinmccullough.com

Monday, April 14, 2014

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Let me obliterate a bit of confusion here: the Obama administration attempted to go to war with a rancher in Nevada. Let me amplify a little bit of truth: they tucked tail and have returned home. And let me add a bit of clarity: they had no choice!

As the nation began to become familiar with the plight of the family of Cliven Bundy, many of us harkened back to another standoff – way back in 1993 – in which the federal government attempted to bully its outcome: Waco, Texas and the Branch Davidian massacre.

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It is telling that in the Nevada case the feds pulled out so quickly, given all they had indicated they were willing to do to resolve the matter to their satisfaction. They had set up a perimeter around the Bundy's family land, ranch, and home. They had brought in extra artillery, dogs, and snipers. They were beginning the process of stealing more than 300 head of cattle that did not belong to them.

They did so – or so we were told – for the reason of protecting the desert tortoise. But then it was revealed that the Bureau of Land Management had shot far more desert tortoises than the Bundy cattle had even possibly destroyed. We were told they did it because the Bundys had broken federal laws by not paying what amounted to retroactive grazing fees to the federal government. But the governor of the state of Nevada told us that Bundy had paid every ounce of state tax, met the state requirements, and their family had been improving the property more than 100 years previous.

Finally we were allowed to know the connection between a communist Chinese wind/solar power plant and its connection to that senator named Harry Reid. Evidently a plan had been hatched to use the Bundy property for a solar farm and instead of paying the Bundys, someone, somewhere in the administration believed it was easier to just take what they wanted.

That approach is at least consistent with the readily documented abuse of emminent domain where the government for any number of reasons – few of them valid – has taken to taking what doesn't belong to them. Americans then watch as it gets handed over to some multi-national corporation for the "cause" of the "greater good."

There were a few specific reasons why the feds chickened out in the Nevada desert though.

1. Technology – As the Bundy family members were abused, cameras captured it. Not television network cameras, but dozens of cell phone video devices that gave witness to a Bundy aunt being shoved to the ground, and a Bundy son being tazed. All of this while threatening protestors with dogs, brandished weapons and vehicles was captured, uploaded and made viral to the watching world.

2. States' rights – As the drama unfolded it became clear that the governor of Nevada, and the sheriff of Clark County knew that Cliven Bundy's family had not only not broken any state law regarding the land, but that they had gone to the nth degree to ensure compliance with Nevada laws on the property. The governor and the sheriff, to their credit, did not favor the feds as a more powerful party in the conflict. Though there must have been pressure from Senator Reid's office, the administration via the Bureau of Land Management, and local officials who were bought and sold like the Clark County commissioner who told those coming to support the Bundys to have "funeral plans in place."

3. Grassroots response – As other incidents have transpired in the past, the amount of time it took honest information to reach the grassroots and thus the response to the action came too slow. In the massacre in Waco, most of the nation had been sold a single narrative from the limited media outlets covering the events. Similarly the events surrounding the abduction of Elian Gonzales from his family in Florida and deportation to Cuba took place in such a response vacuum that by the time Americans knew the real story, the damage was done. With the Bundy ranch, Internet outlets by the dozen had competing information with the limited "official news" being released by the networks, and in most cases the alternative sources had it correct and usually a full day or so ahead of the news cycle. By the time afternoon drive hit, when the network news rooms in New York were preparing their first stories, talk radio audiences had already been dialing their elected officials in Washington demanding action.

The majority of Americans saw through the efforts to spin the story in Nevada. Couple that with the leadership failures that the American people view the administration responsible for, from Benghazi to the Affordable Care Act, all it took was the unedited video of federal agents tazing Bundy's son, followed by his pulling the wires from his chest and continuing to stand his ground for there to be comparisons made to the American revolution.

It's also important to note that merely pulling back from the Bundy property hasn't settled the matter for the American people either.

The feds have stolen 352 head of cattle, and will not confirm or deny if they euthanized some or all of them. Recompense must be made. And to be candid, I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see if a few ambitious law firms don't try to convince the Bundy family of the validity of litigation.

Fortunately for the American people, the feds were not able to ultimately bully a simple rancher, not for a tortoise, a solar power plant, or a dirty senator and his administration.

We owe the Bundy family a great deal of thanks for standing tall.

For if the federal government is allowed to do it with one, then there will be nothing stopping them from doing it again.
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#3644295 - 04/14/14 12:09 PM Re: More info of the BLM/Bundy stand off [Re: OHVATN]
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 Originally Posted By: OHVATN
I have not been paying attention to MSM this weekend other than for some background noise. Has there been any coverage of this in MSM and, if so, what angle have you seen in the reporting? Also, has anyone seen any MSM reporting concerning the solar development and including mention of the words "China" or "Chinese" and "Reid"?


The MSM were threatened to be cut off from White House access if they were to report on the Nevada story.... FOX was about the only news station that talked about it... along with some small local affiliate stations....
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#3644402 - 04/14/14 01:53 PM Re: More info of the BLM/Bundy stand off [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
Fair enough, but the info you copied was originally from BLM's web site. Not Alex Jones \:\)



So says Alex Jones, anyway ;\)
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#3644424 - 04/14/14 02:18 PM Re: More info of the BLM/Bundy stand off [Re: TAFKAP]
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No, he took it from other sources and packaged it for himself.

The screen shots were originally posed on Free Republic by a poster. Then it was picked up by Top Right News and Alex Jones.

In fact, the info wars page in nearly word for word what I posted in the original post from Top Right News.
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#3644520 - 04/14/14 03:44 PM Re: More info of the BLM/Bundy stand off [Re: TAFKAP]
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 Originally Posted By: TAFKAP

True as they may or may not be, can we please refrain from utilizing InfoWars as a "credible" source? This case has been garbage from the get-go, and I'd be pretty surprised to find Mr. Bundy entirely blameless in this matter. So when I see Alex Jones and his minions writing a large portion of the "facts" in this case, I have a difficult time maintaining objectivity.


The information is either fact or fiction. The source is irrelevant. Sad part is infowars is at least as credible as MSNBC, CNN, and many other abbreviated networks.
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#3644600 - 04/14/14 04:56 PM Re: More info of the BLM/Bundy stand off [Re: de novo]
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Unfortunately, "information" on the internet can either be fact, fiction, or a conglomerate representation of what the author wants you to see. With regard to Alex Jones and InfoWars, that "information" may be correct, incorrect yet spun to look correct, or complete intellectual rape, distortion, utter garbage, and pseudo-science. The distinction amongst the various types of "information" presented by Alex Jones is too muddled.

The 9/11 "truth" garbage he puts out, coupled with the idiotic notion of "geo-engineering" is enough for me to dismiss everything on that page as utter nonsense.
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#3644603 - 04/14/14 04:58 PM Re: More info of the BLM/Bundy stand off [Re: TAFKAP]
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Reuters has picked it up as well.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/31/us-usa-china-reid-solar-idUSBRE87U06D20120831
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