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#3652317 - 04/22/14 11:21 AM Re: More info of the BLM/Bundy stand off [Re: OHVATN]
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 Originally Posted By: OHVATN


I agree with you, but wait a minute. Where was all the "conservative" outcry when the Patriot Act, NDAA, the NSA spying, the drone program were started under the Bush administration?


There's a few on here who have been criticizing these programs since the times of Bush. The article I quoted above about the Bundy standoff is Ron Paul's take on the situation. Not surprisingly all it took was one out of control Socialist to get more people to see we may have been right all along.
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#3652484 - 04/22/14 02:44 PM Re: More info of the BLM/Bundy stand off [Re: griz01]
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Every SWAT team is a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act


Wow.
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#3652515 - 04/22/14 03:29 PM Re: More info of the BLM/Bundy stand off [Re: MUP]
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 Originally Posted By: MUP
True or not, it significantly diminishes the hope of current, or former, military personnel standing for the constitution and not taking up arms against U.S. citizens.


The Constitution according to MUP.
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#3652542 - 04/22/14 03:52 PM Re: More info of the BLM/Bundy stand off [Re: MUP]
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True or not, it significantly diminishes the hope of current, or former, military personnel standing for the constitution and not taking up arms against U.S. citizens.


How might the situation have been different if the demographics were changed? Suppose instead of a group of mostly white BLM agents who at times looked uncomfortable in their mission, an all minority unit was sent against the Bundy's. Or a Muslim unit, or a gay, lesbian, and transgender unit? Might they be more inclined to use deadly force against a group of mostly white, conservative Americans many have been trained in school to resent or even hate?
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#3652564 - 04/22/14 04:21 PM Re: More info of the BLM/Bundy stand off [Re: de novo]
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 Originally Posted By: de novo
 Originally Posted By: MUP
True or not, it significantly diminishes the hope of current, or former, military personnel standing for the constitution and not taking up arms against U.S. citizens.


How might the situation have been different if the demographics were changed? Suppose instead of a group of mostly white BLM agents who at times looked uncomfortable in their mission, an all minority unit was sent against the Bundy's. Or a Muslim unit, or a gay, lesbian, and transgender unit? Might they be more inclined to use deadly force against a group of mostly white, conservative Americans many have been trained in school to resent or even hate?


Since we're dealing with totally hypothetical situations, keep in mind that demographic animosity/hostility and the results thereof could have flowed both ways.
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#3652571 - 04/22/14 04:28 PM Re: More info of the BLM/Bundy stand off [Re: Bambi Buster]
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Here you go . . . .

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/22/nev...s-cliven-bundy/

Long before Cliven Bundy faced down federal agents in his dispute with the Bureau of Land Management over grazing rights, fellow Nevada rancher Raymond Yowell, an 84-year-old former Shoshone chief, watched as the BLM seized his herd.

Adding to that, since 2008 they've taken his money as well . . . .

. . . . he argues his cattle were taken without due process and in violation of multiple treaties.

“Certainly, due process of law has not been followed in my case,” Yowell told FoxNews.com. “When we were kids going to school, learning the white way, we said the Pledge of Allegiance every morning and one of the things I remember saying is ‘equality and justice for all.’ Well that’s certainly not the case.”

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#3652587 - 04/22/14 04:55 PM Re: More info of the BLM/Bundy stand off [Re: Bambi Buster]
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: de novo
 Originally Posted By: MUP
True or not, it significantly diminishes the hope of current, or former, military personnel standing for the constitution and not taking up arms against U.S. citizens.


How might the situation have been different if the demographics were changed? Suppose instead of a group of mostly white BLM agents who at times looked uncomfortable in their mission, an all minority unit was sent against the Bundy's. Or a Muslim unit, or a gay, lesbian, and transgender unit? Might they be more inclined to use deadly force against a group of mostly white, conservative Americans many have been trained in school to resent or even hate?


Since we're dealing with totally hypothetical situations, keep in mind that demographic animosity/hostility and the results thereof could have flowed both ways.



However, videos of the knockout game and other assorted mob/ riot violence shows this hostility in fact does not flow both ways evenly.
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#3652778 - 04/22/14 08:07 PM Re: More info of the BLM/Bundy stand off [Re: Wes Parrish]
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 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
Here you go . . . .

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/04/22/nev...s-cliven-bundy/

Long before Cliven Bundy faced down federal agents in his dispute with the Bureau of Land Management over grazing rights, fellow Nevada rancher Raymond Yowell, an 84-year-old former Shoshone chief, watched as the BLM seized his herd.

Adding to that, since 2008 they've taken his money as well . . . .

. . . . he argues his cattle were taken without due process and in violation of multiple treaties.

“Certainly, due process of law has not been followed in my case,” Yowell told FoxNews.com. “When we were kids going to school, learning the white way, we said the Pledge of Allegiance every morning and one of the things I remember saying is ‘equality Liberty and justice for all.’ Well that’s certainly not the case.”


Ole Pale Face has been reciting it wrong all these years? \:D
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#3652804 - 04/22/14 08:21 PM Re: More info of the BLM/Bundy stand off [Re: de novo]
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 Originally Posted By: de novo
 Originally Posted By: MUP
True or not, it significantly diminishes the hope of current, or former, military personnel standing for the constitution and not taking up arms against U.S. citizens.


How might the situation have been different if the demographics were changed? Suppose instead of a group of mostly white BLM agents who at times looked uncomfortable in their mission, an all minority unit was sent against the Bundy's. Or a Muslim unit, or a gay, lesbian, and transgender unit? Might they be more inclined to use deadly force against a group of mostly white, conservative Americans many have been trained in school to resent or even hate?


I can't imagine any freedom loving American NOT feeling uncomfortable in this particular mission. I know of at least one FBI Agent who committed suicide after the atrocities committed at WACO. I can't imagine at least some of the BLM agents feeling guilty for following the orders that put them in this situation. We have a U.S. Senator calling Americans "Domestic Terrorists", said they had "automatic weapons" and "sniper" rifles. I cannot believe the NRA has endorsed this fool. He needs to be removed from office immediately.
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#3652815 - 04/22/14 08:27 PM Re: More info of the BLM/Bundy stand off [Re: MUP]
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 Originally Posted By: MUP
True or not, it significantly diminishes the hope of current, or former, military personnel standing for the constitution and not taking up arms against U.S. citizens.


I think I understand what you are saying; Katrina comes to mind as an example of some interviewed military personnel who stated they would shoot Americans.
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