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#3633093 - 04/01/14 08:38 PM Long runs / marathons cause heart damage???!!!!!??
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http://fitness.mercola.com/sites/fitness/archive/2013/08/23/extreme-endurance-exercise.aspx
http://running.competitor.com/2012/06/news/how-much-running-is-bad-for-your-heart_54331
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#3633160 - 04/01/14 09:35 PM Re: Long runs / marathons cause heart damage???!!!!!?? [Re: Kimber45]
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I hope not
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#3633219 - 04/01/14 11:32 PM Re: Long runs / marathons cause heart damage???!!!!!?? [Re: redblood]
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Don't run, it's bad for your joints.
Run! It stimulates your joints!
Don't run, it's bad for your heart.
RUN, it lowers your cholesterol!
Eat fatty meat, it's good for you!
Eat tofu, fatty meat is bad for you!
Tofu is bad for you!
Whole wheat is healthy
Wheat is killing people!


Do what works for you. Someone will always find fault with it. I'm guilty of it myself. There is so much conflicting information out there now that you might as well just pull the plug from your computer, pack up, and move to the middle of nowhere. People will be contradicting each other until the end of days.
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#3633237 - 04/02/14 03:03 AM Re: Long runs / marathons cause heart damage???!!!!!?? [Re: Kimber45]
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Moderation!

i doubt anyone here is doing high endurance training.

"The best health outcomes are actually found far below the exercise levels of even casual endurance athletes. A 15-year observational study of 52,000 adults found that the highest degree of survival and health was found from running less than 20 miles per week, in runs of 30 to 45 minutes over three or four days, at about an 8:30 to 10:00 pace. The benefits decrease at amounts greater than that"
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#3633282 - 04/02/14 06:19 AM Re: Long runs / marathons cause heart damage???!!!!!?? [Re: TAFKAP]
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 Originally Posted By: TAFKAP
Don't run, it's bad for your joints.
Run! It stimulates your joints!
Don't run, it's bad for your heart.
RUN, it lowers your cholesterol!
Eat fatty meat, it's good for you!
Eat tofu, fatty meat is bad for you!
Tofu is bad for you!
Whole wheat is healthy
Wheat is killing people!


Do what works for you.


I agree - TONS of contradictory info out there.

I agree as well with doing what works for each of us....however I was shocked when someone sent me the info on marathon type endurance training etc creating stretching, scar tissue etc in the heart.

It's not going to change my routine - the fatter I am the worse I feel and the fatter you get the more unhealthy you are for the most part.

51 and taking 0 prescription meds - and I had high blood pressure for years (that I never took meds for) which is now totally under control as a result of working out routinely.

I just had to throw these shortcuts out here. There are more studys out there that are similar and really talking up the HIIT type workouts to prevent the possibility of heart damage plus you supposedly get more bang for your buck (more results from less work) doing HIIT.

Oh well, info has been shared. Let's keep getting healthier!
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#3633285 - 04/02/14 06:22 AM Re: Long runs / marathons cause heart damage???!!!!!?? [Re: beachguy]
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 Originally Posted By: beachguy
Moderation!

i doubt anyone here is doing high endurance training.

"The best health outcomes are actually found far below the exercise levels of even casual endurance athletes. A 15-year observational study of 52,000 adults found that the highest degree of survival and health was found from running less than 20 miles per week, in runs of 30 to 45 minutes over three or four days, at about an 8:30 to 10:00 pace. The benefits decrease at amounts greater than that"


I think we have one guy on here who's doing some pretty high-endurance training and maybe even a few very long distance runners.

A friend sent me the first thread, and he's a runner .. lol
I think he just wanted me to see that there are limitations to exercise as far as overdoing it....And, to your point - moderation - at 51, working out in moderation will not be hard for me
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#3633482 - 04/02/14 09:48 AM Re: Long runs / marathons cause heart damage???!!!!!?? [Re: Kimber45]
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Not necessarily surprising, though, running marathons at the competition level and, especially, running ultra marathons, are elite sports and most elite sports have potential health consequences and risks for injury. It is an objective risk.
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#3633683 - 04/02/14 01:05 PM Re: Long runs / marathons cause heart damage???!!!!!?? [Re: Poser]
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Interesting. My wife has been training for a 50 mile race that she'll be running later this month. Shall I send it to her? \:\) I think I already know what her reaction will be. \:\) She said she's doing it because she's already done several marathons/long runs recently, and wants to do it now while she's been doing the long distance training. If she did it another time, she'd have to start all over with the training. She's assured me that after this, she'll be scaling back her distance runs.

Me, I don't run. I'm not out to be an elite athlete. I'm content with toning up and staying in shape. I can sprint short distances (emphasis on short). Think running like a WR or a RB in football. I can walk all day, though, and would love to get back in to hiking/backpacking.

In the end, we're all gonna die of something. I mean, you can die in a car crash on the way to the grocery store. Might as well die while doing something you enjoy, right?
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#3633770 - 04/02/14 02:37 PM Re: Long runs / marathons cause heart damage???!!!!!?? [Re: moondawg]
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 Originally Posted By: moondawg
Interesting.

In the end, we're all gonna die of something. I mean, you can die in a car crash on the way to the grocery store. Might as well die while doing something you enjoy, right?


I agree with that response 100%.. Maybe some do need to consider "moderation" to avoid heart issues, and I can assure you that I am NOT in that category of extensive work , however again if it feels good and it's legal - we should probably keep on keeping on \:\) The alternative of not exercising has some pretty negative scientific data based patterns compiled over many a decade for sure.

50 MILES!!!! That is AWESOME!!
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#3633798 - 04/02/14 02:54 PM Re: Long runs / marathons cause heart damage???!!!!!?? [Re: Kimber45]
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 Originally Posted By: Kimber45
The alternative of not exercising has some pretty negative scientific data based patterns compiled over many a decade for sure.


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#3636827 - 04/06/14 07:51 AM Re: Long runs / marathons cause heart damage???!!!!!?? [Re: beachguy]
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I think body type has a lot of impact on what the body can take....I know that , according to tests, my heart is as strong as a horse, but being over 200 pounds and rather thick in the legs and shoulders/chest, I am not conducive to running. I do not have a runner's body...long legs, thin upper body, etc.

I do enjoy running because it is much like setting any goal and achieving it. At 57 years old, I am too old to start setting weight lifting goals, imo, so instead I try to run distances at a decent time......I'll never win a longer race and never be able to run even a half marathon, imo, but I can enjoy a nice 5K now and then with friends...
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#3636939 - 04/06/14 09:41 AM Re: Long runs / marathons cause heart damage???!!!!!?? [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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No doubt that some folks are made for running some aren't. short guys, men with big thighs and calves will struggle at distance.their strides and too short. men are over 40 have another mark against them when it comes to posting great times. But the great thing about running is that everyone who does can benefit from it, regardless what the clock says. I run a few races and enjoy it, but my favorite runs are the 7.5 mile run from my farm home through the winding country roads of Bedford and marshall county. no watch, no times. only a destination to be reached
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#3637911 - 04/07/14 09:54 AM Re: Long runs / marathons cause heart damage???!!!!!?? [Re: redblood]
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I don't buy all that hype about "body types" for running. Yeah, the Kenyans are good at it, and you can bet the skinny guys will be winning medals. But I worked the Memphis Marathon one year, and the winner of that race was about 5'-8" and weighed about 160 lbs. He thundered down the road and never once gave up the lead. The Kenyans were bounding like gazelles behind him, but never caught up. It's all about endurance.
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#3638483 - 04/07/14 06:59 PM Re: Long runs / marathons cause heart damage???!!!!!?? [Re: TAFKAP]
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If we were to take two runners with identical levels of fitness and trim 5 pounds of fat off one of the runners (note I said fat—you don't want to lose muscle), then the lighter runner will run faster. Why? Imagine grabbing a five-pound dumbbell and strapping it to your low back. Could you run? Yes. But think of how much harder it would be ? quite a bit harder.
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#3658336 - 04/29/14 11:52 AM Re: Long runs / marathons cause heart damage???!!!!!?? [Re: beachguy]
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yeah and so is sitting on the couch
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#3671786 - 05/16/14 03:22 PM Re: Long runs / marathons cause heart damage???!!!!!?? [Re: Kimber45]
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How the craze for running ever longer distances can DAMAGE the heart, but......................
"Professor Boyett stressed that although endurance exercise training can have harmful effects on the heart, 'it is more than outweighed by the beneficial effects'."
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#3671865 - 05/16/14 05:32 PM Re: Long runs / marathons cause heart damage???!!!!!?? [Re: beachguy]
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The good news is that endurance training is increasingly shifting away from long slow distance (LSD) cardio based training and/or moving increasingly towards strength for endurance-based training and anaerobic intensity for endurance. Many of the latest models never have you running more than 50% of your anticipated distance and spending increasing time doing much shorter, super intense and tempo sessions rather than long, slow sessions. Most of the damage done to the heart comes from the endless hours of LSD training, but long runs here and there in the form of races and competition should have little negative effect.
A modern endurance athlete may have the actual miles under their feet scaled back to 40-60% of their previous volume and spending more time in supplemental training wrapped up in sessions ranging from 10-90 minutes.
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#3671892 - 05/16/14 06:19 PM Re: Long runs / marathons cause heart damage???!!!!!?? [Re: beachguy]
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26.2 is a long way. we did 20 last saturday and it was the hardest thing i have done from a mental standpoint in a long time
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#3671896 - 05/16/14 06:21 PM Re: Long runs / marathons cause heart damage???!!!!!?? [Re: TAFKAP]
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 Originally Posted By: TAFKAP
I don't buy all that hype about "body types" for running. Yeah, the Kenyans are good at it, and you can bet the skinny guys will be winning medals. But I worked the Memphis Marathon one year, and the winner of that race was about 5'-8" and weighed about 160 lbs. He thundered down the road and never once gave up the lead. The Kenyans were bounding like gazelles behind him, but never caught up. It's all about endurance.


very few marathons like that i assure you. age is a is huge. 40 is the kiss of death for a competitive runner
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