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#3626060 - 03/25/14 06:40 PM Re: Grant Woods and the Longbeard shells [Re: muddyboots]
Setterman
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 Originally Posted By: muddyboots
Growing deer tv newest video shows grant woods patterning the longbeard shells out to 70 yards. Ill have to admit its pretty impressive.


Growing deer TV has no business dipping into the turkey hunting world, in fact their approach to deer is doing enough damage on its own.

These people on TV and elsewhere in the public eye are not doing things to make hunting any better, and are only creating a new generation which is repulsive in their tactics, mentality, ethics, and general way they spend their time afield.

Spend an afternoon watching hunting shows for all the proof you need of this

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#3626094 - 03/25/14 07:17 PM Re: Grant Woods and the Longbeard shells [Re: Setterman]
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But really guys, is this any different than a sports car doing 180mph down a winding mountain road on a commercial. Are you gonna do it? Common sense is there or its not. Guarantee you the same guy will make the same long shot with long beards,htl, federal or nitros. Hit or miss! Your wasting your thumbs typing, except you ALL have promoted this video! Good luck opening to all!
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#3626101 - 03/25/14 07:23 PM Re: Grant Woods and the Longbeard shells [Re: bogger]
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I see nothing wrong with showing the shot. I watched it and it did not feel the urge to go out and take a 60+ yard shot. I think some people just like to find something to complain about it.
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#3626125 - 03/25/14 07:51 PM Re: Grant Woods and the Longbeard shells [Re: seaton0024]
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What y'all don't seem to understand or notice is that the entire culture of hunting is changing.

The simple things are everything is focused on making things easier and easier and completing removing hunting from the sport and replacing it with killing critters the easiest way imaginable.

As an example during youth hunts everyone goes on and on how a decoy and blind are mandatory because kids can't sit still enough to kill a bird. Back in my youth, like many others we had to learn to sit still or else we spooked the bird, in other words we learned the hard way how to be successful, and learned from our mistakes. Now those mistakes are eliminated and short cuts are taken to ensure something gets killed immediately rather than learning to be a good hunter and not making mistakes which ruin killing opportunities. I'm not knocking those who use the above method, just showing an example.

Another example are these new loads and chokes to kill birds at long range. It used to be that if you didn't set up well or call well, the bird won and walked away. Thus teaching us to be better hunters, rather than again having that instant success.

My point is advancements are fantastic, and we all benefit from many, but at what point are we ruining the sport by making things to easy?

Some see this movement while most are oblivious as to what's happening. At some point taking the approach of if its legal who cares, is just naive to where the future of our sport is headed.

This is more a bigger picture thing than just a simple turkey shell discussion.

Where do you all want this sport to go?


Edited by Setterman (03/25/14 07:58 PM)

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#3626173 - 03/25/14 08:17 PM Re: Grant Woods and the Longbeard shells [Re: Setterman]
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 Originally Posted By: Setterman
What y'all don't seem to understand or notice is that the entire culture of hunting is changing.

The simple things are everything is focused on making things easier and easier and completing removing hunting from the sport and replacing it with killing critters the easiest way imaginable.
. . . . . .
My point is advancements are fantastic, and we all benefit from many, but at what point are we ruining the sport by making things too easy?

Some see this movement while most are oblivious as to what's happening. At some point taking the approach of if its legal who cares, is just naive to where the future of our sport is headed.

This is more a bigger picture thing than just a simple turkey shell discussion.

Where do you all want this sport to go?

Some very good points there, Setterman.
I believe we may be turning what was once the sport of hunting into little more than just shooting.

It will not surprise me if we don't soon have shooters (I just can't call everyone carrying a gun a "hunter") demanding centerfire rifles be legal for turkey hunting in TN.

But where do I want this sport to go?
I'd simply like to see more focus on promoting the hunting than the shooting. True, shooting and killing are a part of hunting, but we can make it more or less about the hunt, or the shooting. If what one wants most is just to shoot and to kill something, I'm sure many pig and poultry farmers can make arrangements for anyone to come kill their pigs and birds for a few dollars.

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#3626174 - 03/25/14 08:18 PM Re: Grant Woods and the Longbeard shells [Re: Setterman]
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I understand and agree with your point setterman. My only point was just because we see something doesn't make you do it.
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#3626177 - 03/25/14 08:20 PM Re: Grant Woods and the Longbeard shells [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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They do shoot good but that is to far.
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#3626182 - 03/25/14 08:25 PM Re: Grant Woods and the Longbeard shells [Re: bogger]
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 Originally Posted By: bogger
I understand and agree with your point setterman. My only point was just because we see something doesn't make you do it.


You missed the entire premise of my post. That's the problem and what's eroding this sport. Too many of us have the view that as long as it it's legal than we should look the other way and not worry.

In reality we should be asking is this really good for hunting? Or is it just pushing us further towards killing and eliminating the hunting aspect for the sake of instant gratification?

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#3626220 - 03/25/14 09:23 PM Re: Grant Woods and the Longbeard shells [Re: Setterman]
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You can go back decades and listen to people say the same thing about compound bows, inline muzzleloaders,crossbows or rage broad heads.lol which I'm sure everyone of us own at least one of. I just don't see the point in complaining about a guy shooting a target at 70 yds. I myself love to watch a bird work in to 30yds. But we will always have poachers, shooters ands those who purely enjoy just getting in the woods and see beyond the kill. I see that the latter is your belief and I see it the same way. Let's get out there and hear some gobbling sat. Good luck gentlemen.
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#3626259 - 03/25/14 10:09 PM Re: Grant Woods and the Longbeard shells [Re: bogger]
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 Originally Posted By: bogger
You can go back decades and listen to people say the same thing about compound bows, inline muzzleloaders,crossbows or rage broad heads.lol which I'm sure everyone of us own at least one of. I just don't see the point in complaining about a guy shooting a target at 70 yds. I myself love to watch a bird work in to 30yds. But we will always have poachers, shooters ands those who purely enjoy just getting in the woods and see beyond the kill. I see that the latter is your belief and I see it the same way. Let's get out there and hear some gobbling sat. Good luck gentlemen.


Go back and read my other post, I pretty clearly address the same exact stuff you do above. However, I see things from a different point of view.

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