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#3626107 - 03/25/14 07:29 PM Re: Non-Residents Screwed Over Again in New Mexico [Re: Poser]
UPSman
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 Originally Posted By: Poser
 Originally Posted By: Hunt 365
Guys, I suggest Indian reservations. Everyone from the outside is a non-resident, and you can get some great hunting! Have had some good times on them


What kind of $ are we talking?


Stupid money.......
http://www.jicarillahunt.com/LiteratureRetrieve.aspx?ID=118253

http://innofthemountaingods.com/activities/big-game-hunts/


I'd bet an elk hunt on the White Mountain Apache Res would be well over $20k by now
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#3626189 - 03/25/14 08:39 PM Re: Non-Residents Screwed Over Again in New Mexico [Re: UPSman]
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 Originally Posted By: UPSman
 Originally Posted By: Poser
 Originally Posted By: Hunt 365
Guys, I suggest Indian reservations. Everyone from the outside is a non-resident, and you can get some great hunting! Have had some good times on them


What kind of $ are we talking?


Stupid money.......
http://www.jicarillahunt.com/LiteratureRetrieve.aspx?ID=118253

http://innofthemountaingods.com/activities/big-game-hunts/


I'd bet an elk hunt on the White Mountain Apache Res would be well over $20k by now



Ha! I like the "submit bid, $30,000 minimum" part.
Yeah.... Not a viable option.
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#3626208 - 03/25/14 08:57 PM Re: Non-Residents Screwed Over Again in New Mexico [Re: Poser]
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Granted there are some cheaper hunts, but if you hunt big game on a reservation....you are gonna part with some serious cash.

Evidently there isn't enough money in Casinos ;\) on some of the reservations the same clients come back year after year and hunts are booked so far out now that they (Indian nations) have quit accepting new clients.
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#3626290 - 03/26/14 01:56 AM Re: Non-Residents Screwed Over Again in New Mexico [Re: UPSman]
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Those are crazy, but is went on a coues deer and javelina hunt in AZ that was extremely reasonable. Those highest bidder ones are like Governor's tags. Good luck on the others though. A friend of mine went through a DIY outfitter in Colorado who had allotted tags.
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#3626492 - 03/26/14 08:55 AM Re: Non-Residents Screwed Over Again in New Mexico [Re: Hunt 365]
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I did look into deer hunting on a reservation in SD one time. Believe that it was the Red Bud Souix and was something like $500/day and that included guide, meals & lodging. I'd already missed the deadline dates for that year and never pursued it any further...
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#3627136 - 03/26/14 08:01 PM Re: Non-Residents Screwed Over Again in New Mexico [Re: Hunt 365]
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 Originally Posted By: Hunt 365
Sorry, but it's their tax$. Would suck if NR's came in and got the 5 elk tags we have. Unpopular, I know, but if they were smart, they would price NR tags/lotteries similar to Colorado and make it possible, but still fund the whole thing. But apparently, they don't have it figured out as well


Not so much, a lot of it is OUR tax dollars. Federal land (BLM, National Forest, etc) then you have sanctuaries like Yellowstone that harbor a lot of migrating animals.

Most of these states are hurting because of stingy residents, outfitter lobbying and mainly poor business management. It all boils down to the might $$. Mule deer have taken a beating and tags should be cut (for both residents and NR) but the agency does not want to loose revenue and residents dont want to do their part.
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#3632270 - 03/31/14 11:09 PM Re: Non-Residents Screwed Over Again in New Mexico [Re: AT Hiker]
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Even though I have 9 elk preference points in Colorado, which I will probably never use, I'm done with them. IMO they developed a screw NR's attitude several years ago, when they instituted the 80/20 deal, even though a NR pays about 10 times the license fee that a resident pays. I don't have a problem with that, but I do have a problem with the NR needing much higher PPs to get drawn. I'm going goat hunting just north of Cheyenne in a lesser unit which has two things going for it. Its very cheap and it's on private property. I could really care less if I kill game out there. I do enjoy encountering goats obviously, but for me, its the western hunt experience that is most important.
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#3676991 - 05/24/14 12:25 PM Re: Non-Residents Screwed Over Again in New Mexico [Re: 4onaside]
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What would it cost, including all fees if you did get drawn for one these tags and used a guide? Just curious as compared to what it cost to go to Africa and shoot one.
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#3684739 - 06/05/14 09:49 PM Re: Non-Residents Screwed Over Again in New Mexico [Re: Sniper]
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What would it cost, including all fees if you did get drawn for one these tags and used a guide? Just curious as compared to what it cost to go to Africa and shoot one.


Broad question with broad answers. If you draw a WY moose tag it will cost you $1400 for the tag plus another $5k for the guide. Some units/states/animals I wouldnt hire a guide, some I would. If I drew a once in a lifetime tag I would likely hire a guide mainly because they likely live in the area and no where the game are. These once in a lifetime tags inlcude some elk areas and almost most sheep tags.

For the other species, if you have time and their is plenty of public access I would go DIY.

I personally have no desire for Africa at this point, too much to see and hunt here...maybe one day I will go to Africa.
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#3685302 - 06/06/14 10:09 PM Re: Non-Residents Screwed Over Again in New Mexico [Re: AT Hiker]
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When it was hunters saving up for their once in a lifetime hunt there wasn't a whole lot of NR invasions into the western states come hunting season. That was when applications were hand written and mailed in. Hunts were selected and planned for years.

Today we have the age of clicking the mouse to copy and paste our info for multiple hunts in many states. Hundreds of TV hunters wanting to film the best/biggest game in all states. Hundreds more wanting to be the next big thing on the Outdoor channel....

It leaves the lowly working man who once dreamed of a western elk or mountain goat having to save for another ten years to afford it. If the laws don't change between now and then that is.

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