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#3625042 - 03/24/14 05:25 PM Non-Residents Screwed Over Again in New Mexico
tellico4x4
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Have hunted elk once in NM & have applied for years for a Ibex and Oryx tag. This is the second time in 3 years that New Mexico has said that they don't want NR business, especially DIY Non-resident hunters...only 6% of all tags now go to NR's that do not use guides. Oh yeah, for Ibex & Oryx you have to front the the entire tag fee (approx $2,000 each) when submitting application. Of course they keep that money for months before refunding it. Not that it'll matter to them, but they have received the last of my $$.

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE, MARCH 24, 2014:
Court ruling gives New Mexico resident hunters better odds in drawings for bighorn sheep, oryx and ibex
ALBUQUERQUE – New Mexico resident hunters scored a big victory Monday with a U.S. District Court ruling that allows the Department of Game and Fish to reinstate quotas that give state residents a big advantage over nonresidents when applying for bighorn sheep, oryx and ibex hunting licenses.
“This is an important decision and a huge win for New Mexico hunters,” said Paul Kienzle, newly elected chairman of the State Game Commission. “It’s been a long fight, but New Mexicans now have a good shot at those quality hunts, as intended by the governor and the state legislature.”
Monday’s ruling by Chief U.S. District Judge Christina Armijo vacated a 1977 injunction that prohibited the Department from applying preferential quotas that benefited state residents in the drawings for bighorn sheep, oryx and ibex licenses. Because of that injunction, nonresident hunters enjoyed equal odds with residents in the annual drawings.
Beginning with this year’s draw, resident hunters who apply for bighorn sheep, oryx and ibex licenses will enjoy the same odds as those who applied for any other big-game species. Currently, state residents receive 84 percent of all public licenses issued through drawings. Nonresidents receive 6 percent and hunters using outfitters – residents and nonresidents – qualify for 10 percent of public licenses. The application deadline for 2014-15 big-game licenses was March 19.
“The injunction has prevented the Department from complying with state law to the detriment of New Mexico residents and in opposition to the will of the governor and the legislature,” Department Legal Counsel Allison Marks said. “Judge Armijo unequivocally found New Mexico’s statutory quota does not violate federal law. The judge’s quick decision affords the Department the opportunity to make immediate changes to the draw system in order to comply with state law.”
Several conservation organizations supported the Department’s motion to vacate the injunction. They included United Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife, the New Mexico Chapter of the Wild Sheep Foundation, the New Mexico Wildlife Federation and the Southern New Mexico Chapter of Safari Club International.
The injunction applied only to bighorn sheep, oryx and ibex because at the time of the legal challenge, they were the only species of big game in New Mexico for which the State Game Commission provided an in-state preference for license allocation. The injunction was issued in connection with a 1974 lawsuit by David B. Terk, a Texas resident and hunter. Terk challenged New Mexico’s license allocation system that gave him a lower chance of drawing a license than state residents would enjoy.




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#3625064 - 03/24/14 05:43 PM Re: Non-Residents Screwed Over Again in New Mexico [Re: tellico4x4]
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NM is a highly sought after by non residents. If I were a resident, I'd definitely expect some priority over Non residents in the drawing system. That being said, forcing the nonresidents hand into going through outfitters is bullcrap. If they are concerned about meeting trophy requirements etc (like Alaska does with certain species), they could at least offer the option of having a resident liaison instead of a guide (also like AK does). This appears to be a way to drive money to outfitters and the outfitters in turn, spend money to be certified with the state. Fact of the matter is, there are a number of hunters who simply cannot afford the cost of a outfitter on a hunt like this. You draw one of those tags, you're gonna spend $3,000 or more pulling the hunt off in a DIY manner. While that is expensive, it is attainable for many hunters for the "hunt of a lifetime." However, $6,500+, $10,000, even up to $50,000 is certainly not attainable to most hunters.

Honestly, for the budget you're talking (2-3k), you might just consider going to New Zealand. Cost of airfare and a rental car is all you'd have in it to do a DIY hunt for any game species you wish.
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#3625591 - 03/25/14 09:10 AM Re: Non-Residents Screwed Over Again in New Mexico [Re: Poser]
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If you havent had the chance to hunt DIY public land Western style you better start now. Some WY folks are trying to cut NR tags drastically and MT has already increased the tag cost drastically.
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#3625607 - 03/25/14 09:25 AM Re: Non-Residents Screwed Over Again in New Mexico [Re: AT Hiker]
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 Originally Posted By: AT Hiker
If you havent had the chance to hunt DIY public land Western style you better start now. Some WY folks are trying to cut NR tags drastically and MT has already increased the tag cost drastically.



AZ went up this year, too.
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#3625622 - 03/25/14 09:44 AM Re: Non-Residents Screwed Over Again in New Mexico [Re: AT Hiker]
tellico4x4
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 Originally Posted By: AT Hiker
If you havent had the chance to hunt DIY public land Western style you better start now.


x2

Our first DIY hunt was for mule deer & elk in Craig, CO back in 1979. Drop camp on private land was $150.00 per person (tent, pots, pans, cots, etc...)pretty much everything but sleeping bag & food. That also included game recovery! Across the counter combination licenses were $250.00 and covered deer, elk & bear. Four of us kicked in $100 ea to cover travel expenses & food. For $500 ea, we stayed 7 days and killed 4 bucks & 1 bull!Just about every town we drove thru in Colorado had banners hanging across streets welcoming NR hunters. Ah, the good ole days when gas was .45/gal and I was making $15K per year....

Have been fortunate enough to do 23 hunts in most of the western states, AK & many of the mid-west states since then. Some great, some good and some awful, but would not trade the experiences for anything. I have 3 grandsons now, that I worry about being able to enjoy similar hunts in their future, simply due to cost.

One thing that WY offers that none of the other western states do, is the opportunity to purchase preference point for youth at a reduced rate. From 12-16 yrs old, the points for elk, deer & antelope are only $10 ea. I always buy them for the grandsons when I buy mine.

DIY western hunts are still doable without it costing a fortune, but it does take a lot more planning & budgeting now days.
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#3625645 - 03/25/14 10:04 AM Re: Non-Residents Screwed Over Again in New Mexico [Re: tellico4x4]
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Pretty cool, Tellico. In today's value, that $150 hunt (a dollar was worth about 3x as much as it is today) would be $450. The idea of getting all that service for $450 is insane! More like $4,500....
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#3625940 - 03/25/14 03:53 PM Re: Non-Residents Screwed Over Again in New Mexico [Re: Poser]
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A good friend of mine drew a very hard to get mule deer tag in NM this year. Years of applying. That's his thing. He has 170"+ whitetails on his ranch and don't even hunt them. He's only killed one buck at home in the last 15 years and it was a 174" mzl kill. Killing 140" deer is a first day thing. His thing is elk and mule deer. He applies in several states for the hard to get units. I remember a sheep tag he got that was something like 29 years, although I think he may have bought points for many of them and then applied a year he was ready. I'm not real sure how all that works.
He also harvested an Oryx a few weeks ago down there. It was a thing he had wanted to do for many years and finally was able to do so. I don't think he killed a muley though.


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#3626070 - 03/25/14 06:46 PM Re: Non-Residents Screwed Over Again in New Mexico [Re: AlabamaSwamper]
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Sorry, but it's their tax$. Would suck if NR's came in and got the 5 elk tags we have. Unpopular, I know, but if they were smart, they would price NR tags/lotteries similar to Colorado and make it possible, but still fund the whole thing. But apparently, they don't have it figured out as well
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#3626075 - 03/25/14 06:48 PM Re: Non-Residents Screwed Over Again in New Mexico [Re: Hunt 365]
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Guys, I suggest Indian reservations. Everyone from the outside is a non-resident, and you can get some great hunting! Have had some good times on them
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#3626099 - 03/25/14 07:20 PM Re: Non-Residents Screwed Over Again in New Mexico [Re: Hunt 365]
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 Originally Posted By: Hunt 365
Guys, I suggest Indian reservations. Everyone from the outside is a non-resident, and you can get some great hunting! Have had some good times on them


What kind of $ are we talking?
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