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#3594707 - 02/20/14 01:09 PM What Bush Misses About Being President
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http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/geo...s-politics.html

Pretty cool what he is doing for the veterans. I didn't know he was involved as much as he is with veterans. He sounds like he cares and actually know what he is talking about. I wish more politicians or former politicians felt the way he did.


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#3594753 - 02/20/14 02:10 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: MattR]
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When it comes to supporting our military veterans he is one of the good ones.
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#3594794 - 02/20/14 02:52 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: Unicam]
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Ever before 9/11 Bush always supported the troops.
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#3594849 - 02/20/14 03:39 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: Wildcat]
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Since he took the country into an unnecessary war and occupation which killed thousands of troops and left tens of thousands wounded he should be involved with veterans.
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#3594905 - 02/20/14 04:09 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: Unicam]
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I would vote for him again without hesitation !
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#3594945 - 02/20/14 04:43 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: de novo]
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 Originally Posted By: de novo
Since he took the country into an unnecessary war and occupation which killed thousands of troops and left tens of thousands wounded he should be involved with veterans.


I agree. See my signature line. As Commander-in-Chief, Bush was neither discerning, skilled nor merciless.
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#3594975 - 02/20/14 05:26 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: Bambi Buster]
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I knew he supported the troops, but it sounds like he is going beyond just supporting them. I like how he has obviously taken time out to try and understand some of the problems veterans are facing.
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#3594996 - 02/20/14 05:51 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: de novo]
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 Originally Posted By: de novo
Since he took the country into an unnecessary war and occupation which killed thousands of troops and left tens of thousands wounded he should be involved with veterans.


Good grief!!

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#3595000 - 02/20/14 06:03 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: TW]
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I don't know what Bush misses about being President, but I know what I miss about Bush being President----ALOT!!!!!!!!!!!
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#3595278 - 02/20/14 09:38 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: de novo]
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 Originally Posted By: de novo
Since he took the country into an unnecessary war and occupation which killed thousands of troops and left tens of thousands wounded he should be involved with veterans.


Could be said about any war the US has ever been in.

He isn't my favorite at all but give the guy a little credit. He could be chasing skirts like one former prez or pushing socialism in and Israel out like another.
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#3595426 - 02/21/14 06:48 AM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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Well this great President for the troops had an opportunity himself to serve in a foreign war. He chose to enter the alabama national guard and his service there has been called into question. His VP pick received 5 deferments to get out of the Vietnam draft.

Bush seems like a great guy who goes to church and would be fun to hang around with; however, when given a chance to serve himself he passed using his family's connections.

As a President if you look at where we were in 2001 versus what he left us with in 2008 his policies hurt this nation to a huge degree. One could argue only Obama or possibly Carter was a worse commander in chief.
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#3595444 - 02/21/14 07:09 AM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: de novo]
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In my lifetime I would vote Reagan and Clinton as my 2 favorite presidents, the rest have been blah!
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#3595714 - 02/21/14 11:53 AM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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When it comes to betraying liberty by signing the Patriot Act he did his job well. Bush, Obama = tyranny.
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#3595855 - 02/21/14 02:35 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: Snake]
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 Originally Posted By: Snake
I would vote for him again without hesitation !
x1000!!
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#3596010 - 02/21/14 05:17 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: timberjack86]
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Bush set Republicans back 50 years with his reckless attempts to out-'rat the 'rats.

He may have been a better choice than Gore and Kerry, but not by much.
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#3596131 - 02/21/14 07:35 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: 348Winchester]
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 Originally Posted By: 348Winchester
When it comes to betraying liberty by signing the Patriot Act he did his job well. Bush, Obama = tyranny.


...and TARP
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#3596140 - 02/21/14 07:41 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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I'll say this. AFTER Bush put two people in the Supreme Court the Heller case came up and we the gun owners won by just one single vote. Had Gore been president we would have lost by 2 votes.
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#3596264 - 02/21/14 09:31 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: Wildcat]
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The man had his problems but what he's done/doing for troops is noble.
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#3596325 - 02/21/14 11:13 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
I'll say this. AFTER Bush put two people in the Supreme Court the Heller case came up and we the gun owners won by just one single vote. Had Gore been president we would have lost by 2 votes.


My utter disdain for Bush aside for a moment, Wildcat makes a very important point here. Elections have consequences. This is why it's important to vote Republican in presidential and congressional elections, even if you have to hold your nose while doing so. The lesser of two evils is still less evil.
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#3596388 - 02/22/14 06:41 AM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: buckaroo]
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 Originally Posted By: buckaroo
In my lifetime I would vote Reagan and Clinton as my 2 favorite presidents, the rest have been blah!


bill Clinton is the reason the housing industry collapsed.
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#3596441 - 02/22/14 08:47 AM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: stik]
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 Originally Posted By: stik
 Originally Posted By: buckaroo
In my lifetime I would vote Reagan and Clinton as my 2 favorite presidents, the rest have been blah!


bill Clinton is the reason the housing industry collapsed.


And China, North Korean and Iran having nukes.
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#3596506 - 02/22/14 10:23 AM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
 Originally Posted By: stik
 Originally Posted By: buckaroo
In my lifetime I would vote Reagan and Clinton as my 2 favorite presidents, the rest have been blah!


bill Clinton is the reason the housing industry collapsed.


And China, North Korean and Iran having nukes.


And every time a cigar gets lit, someone snickering
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#3596858 - 02/22/14 07:02 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
 Originally Posted By: stik
 Originally Posted By: buckaroo
In my lifetime I would vote Reagan and Clinton as my 2 favorite presidents, the rest have been blah!


bill Clinton is the reason the housing industry collapsed.


And China, North Korean and Iran having nukes.


China detonated its first nuke 50 years ago come October. As much as I love to hate Clinton, I don't think we can blame him for that one.
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#3596915 - 02/22/14 07:58 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: Bambi Buster]
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No president was perfect , even every coservatives favorite raised taxes more than you would like to admit
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#3596952 - 02/22/14 08:29 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: buckaroo]
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 Originally Posted By: buckaroo
No president was perfect , even every coservatives favorite raised taxes more than you would like to admit


A president CANNOT raise taxes, only Congress can. The DEMOCRAT controlled Congress raised the taxes and Reagan had to sign them. They did the same thing to Bush after he said, read my lips, no new taxes. The DEMOCRAT controlled Congress again raised taxes and blamed Bush for it.
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#3596958 - 02/22/14 08:35 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: Wildcat]
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So congress should be getting credit and blame not presidents
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#3596961 - 02/22/14 08:39 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: buckaroo]
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 Originally Posted By: buckaroo
In my lifetime I would vote Reagan and Clinton as my 2 favorite presidents, the rest have been blah!


I'm curious if your liking of Clinton began before or after he and his wife tried to legislate national healthcare, which led to Democrats getting crushed in the mid-term election and Newt Gingrich becoming speaker of the house.

Are you a big Monica Lewinsky fan, too? Gennifer Flowers?

When Miley Cyrus does an imitation of Bill Clinton getting a BJ, you know the Presidency hit a serious low during that sorry bum's term.

Miley Cyrus Mocks Bill Clinton's Lewinsky Scandal
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#3596970 - 02/22/14 08:44 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: Vermin93]
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He was a pretty good president, the economy has"nt been that good since , dont care Miley. Lol
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#3596985 - 02/22/14 09:11 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: buckaroo]
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 Originally Posted By: buckaroo
He was a pretty good president, the economy has"nt been that good since , dont care Miley. Lol


He was a dirtbag and an embarrassment to anyone with standards. He was the ultimate used car salesman and a masterful manipulator of the American public.

If it wasn't for the explosive growth of Al Gore's internet during the 90's, his major accomplishments would have been limited to countless sex and political scandals, fooling around with a White House intern, gun control, the Brady Bill, the assault weapons ban, a failed attempt at national healthcare, the passing of NAFTA, welfare reform (which was rammed down his throat by Newt Gingrich), the military disaster in Somalia, "don't ask, don't tell", burning down the Waco cult, sending Elian Gonzalez back to Cuba, and nominating an incredibly incompetent Attorney General named Janet Reno.

The scary thing is that his wife is probably even worse.
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#3597013 - 02/22/14 09:44 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: Vermin93]
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Well like I said most politicians have faults, You could say both Bushes were dirtbags for having their personal agenda of killing thousands of people in oil wars too. I not too proud I voted for Bush
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#3597098 - 02/22/14 11:49 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: buckaroo]
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 Originally Posted By: buckaroo
In my lifetime I would vote Reagan and Clinton as my 2 favorite presidents, the rest have been blah!




clinton? are u serious?
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#3597099 - 02/22/14 11:50 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: buckaroo
No president was perfect , even every coservatives favorite raised taxes more than you would like to admit


A president CANNOT raise taxes, only Congress can. The DEMOCRAT controlled Congress raised the taxes and Reagan had to sign them. They did the same thing to Bush after he said, read my lips, no new taxes. The DEMOCRAT controlled Congress again raised taxes and blamed Bush for it.




yep. that is a fax. it is not in a presidents power to raise taxes
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#3597133 - 02/23/14 03:35 AM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: buckaroo]
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 Originally Posted By: buckaroo
He was a pretty good president, the economy has"nt been that good since , dont care Miley. Lol


built on a housing industry bubble that was destined to burst and cause a lot of the economic problems.
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#3597173 - 02/23/14 07:07 AM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: stik]
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So who is really to blame for Obama care , congress?
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#3597194 - 02/23/14 07:37 AM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: buckaroo]
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So who is really to blame for Obama care , congress?


You really need to read history and govt and not just s few sound bits.

Reagan, Bush, JFK, Obama and all of them put certain bills before Congress then members of Congress bring them in as a bill to be debated and voted on.

Obama put ObamaCare to Congress. At the time the DEMOCRATS held a SUPER MAJORITY IN BOTH Houses. The DEMOCRATS put the bill together behind CLOSED LOCKRD DOORS, the DEMOCRATS voted to pass it WITHOUT debate and NOT ONE REPUBLICAN voted for it, not one. The DEMOCRATS own Obamacare 100%.

By the way want to guess the ONLY US President to call for a tax cut on the rich?? It was JFK and after he died they passed it.
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#3597302 - 02/23/14 09:18 AM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
By the way want to guess the ONLY US President to call for a tax cut on the rich?? It was JFK and after he died they passed it.


I'm not sure that's an accurate statement.

Ronald Reagan lead an effort to cut income taxes twice, which ended up lowering the top income tax rate on the "rich" from an absolutely ridiculous level of 70% down to 28%.

Congressional Democrats then forced George H. W. Bush to raise the top income tax rate from 28% to 31%.

Clinton and Congressional Democrats then raised the top income tax rate from 31% to 39.6%.

The "Bush tax cuts" lowered the top income tax rate from 39.6% down to 35%.

Obama and Congressional Democrats then raised the top income tax rate back to 39.6%.
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#3597308 - 02/23/14 09:21 AM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: buckaroo]
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So who is really to blame for Obama care , congress?


Great question. Democrats are 100% to blame. Not a single Republican voted for it. That is why I'm on a crusade to change the name from Obamacare to Democratcare.

Details here:

We need to stop calling it "Obamacare"
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#3597313 - 02/23/14 09:33 AM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: Vermin93]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
By the way want to guess the ONLY US President to call for a tax cut on the rich?? It was JFK and after he died they passed it.


I'm not sure that's an accurate statement.

Ronald Reagan lead an effort to cut income taxes twice, which ended up lowering the top income tax rate on the "rich" from an absolutely ridiculous level of 70% down to 28%.

Congressional Democrats then forced George H. W. Bush to raise the top income tax rate from 28% to 31%.

Clinton and Congressional Democrats then raised the top income tax rate from 31% to 39.6%.

The "Bush tax cuts" lowered the top income tax rate from 39.6% down to 35%.

Obama and Congressional Democrats then raised the top income tax rate back to 39.6%.


Reagan and Bush cut taxes for EVERYBODY.

JFK asked for a tax cut on the rich only but he was killed before a bill could pass Congress, a different bill came up with more tax cuts for others as well as the rich the next year to take it's place and was passed. They called that one the JFK tax cut bill when it should have been the Johnson tax cut bill since it was much different than JFK wanted.
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#3597772 - 02/23/14 07:19 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: Bambi Buster]
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
 Originally Posted By: stik
 Originally Posted By: buckaroo
In my lifetime I would vote Reagan and Clinton as my 2 favorite presidents, the rest have been blah!


bill Clinton is the reason the housing industry collapsed.


And China, North Korean and Iran having nukes.


China detonated its first nuke 50 years ago come October. As much as I love to hate Clinton, I don't think we can blame him for that one.

No, but he did give China the technology to drastically improve missile accuracy, which increases those nukes' deadliness.
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#3597856 - 02/23/14 08:44 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: BMan]
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 Originally Posted By: BMan
 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
 Originally Posted By: stik
 Originally Posted By: buckaroo
In my lifetime I would vote Reagan and Clinton as my 2 favorite presidents, the rest have been blah!


bill Clinton is the reason the housing industry collapsed.


And China, North Korean and Iran having nukes.


China detonated its first nuke 50 years ago come October. As much as I love to hate Clinton, I don't think we can blame him for that one.

No, but he did give China the technology to drastically improve missile accuracy, which increases those nukes' deadliness.



Indeed he did; one of a great many things for which he deserves to burn in hell, but giving China Nukes was not one of them. I suppose we could attribute that one to JKF and LBJ. Truman and to a lesser degree, Eisenhower, were not entirely without guilt in that regard either.
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#3598027 - 02/24/14 06:10 AM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: BMan]
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The "who is to blame? Who is great" game is what got us into this mess over 100 years.

Its not THE GUY that is the problem. Its the POLICY STUPID! (I should make a shirt with that slogan)

From the beginning of history "progressive" policies have harmed more people than disease.

Progressive policy in all its forms and different names can be summarized thus.
"Using government power to enrich the elite and shackle the people" to be even shorter....its a form of slavery.

Bush can be classified as a progressive with his endorsement of TARP and Patriot act.

Clinton was a proud progressive with NAFTA, selling missile guidance technology to china, and the RE bubble on his plate.

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Its not THE GUY that is the problem. Its the POLICY STUPID!
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#3598330 - 02/24/14 12:16 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: fishboy1]
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Well since you put it that way, it was the POLICIES that BUSH STUPIDLY promoted to the detriment of the country.

HIS policies.

HIS promotion.

HIS FAULT.

Happier now?
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#3598338 - 02/24/14 12:22 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: BMan]
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You are correct. I said "gave China" nukes and I should have said "propelled their technology decades during his administration"

My fingers sometimes work faster than my brain.
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#3598524 - 02/24/14 03:34 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Fishboy highlighted a huge problem, all low information voters are not democrats.

Many Republicans thrive on this. They allow liberal policies to become laws and then claim to be oppose them. The Senators vote to end debate (knowing this will allow a bill to pass) and then they vote against it to cover their rears with their stupid constituents. No, everything bad in this country isn't the fault of the Dems.


For the record NAFTA was yet another Bush policy that is progressive in nature that the Dems get blamed for.


Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1986 among the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H. W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it. The signed agreement then needed to be authorized by each nation's legislative or parliamentary branch.

Before the negotiations were finalized, Bill Clinton came into office in the U.S. and Kim Campbell in Canada, and before the agreement became law, Jean Chrétien had taken office in Canada.

With much consideration and emotional discussion, the House of Representatives approved NAFTA on November 17, 1993, 234-200. The agreement's supporters included 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats. NAFTA passed the Senate 61-38. Senate supporters were 34 Republicans and 27 Democrats. Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993; it went into effect on January 1, 1994.[

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#3598628 - 02/24/14 05:35 PM Re: What Bush Misses About Being President [Re: de novo]
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We need to go back to the 7 party's we had ( ithink thats right) instead of the two scratchin each others a$$
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