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#3587674 - 02/14/14 04:55 PM Re: Oaks - What types would you plant? [Re: Hollar Hunter]
BlountArrow
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I was skeptical too, HH.
Sounds like my initial suspicions were correct. I planted (9) Dunstan's last year that I got from WalMart and they seem to be doing GREAT except for (2) of them...those (2) may not make it.
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#3592422 - 02/18/14 04:25 PM Re: Oaks - What types would you plant? [Re: Hollar Hunter]
backstraps
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Who do you guys get the chestnut trees from?
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#3593335 - 02/19/14 10:24 AM Re: Oaks - What types would you plant? [Re: Crosshairy]
Hunter 257W
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 Originally Posted By: Crosshairy
A tree biology question regarding diversification...

if some sort of blight/pestilence hits your area, do different strains of oaks typically respond differently?

Worded differently, does varying the type of OAKS improve your odds of resisting disease/attack, or would you have to actually vary the genus of tree to have any real protection (planting oaks and apples, as a random example)?


This is what I was hinting at with my post but don't know enough to quantify what if any safeguard against disease a variety of oaks gives vs. planting all the same. Hopefully one of the more knowledgable tree growers here will comment on this.

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#3599918 - 02/25/14 08:56 PM Re: Oaks - What types would you plant? [Re: Hunter 257W]
MickThompson
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 Originally Posted By: Hunter 257W
 Originally Posted By: Crosshairy
A tree biology question regarding diversification...

if some sort of blight/pestilence hits your area, do different strains of oaks typically respond differently?

Worded differently, does varying the type of OAKS improve your odds of resisting disease/attack, or would you have to actually vary the genus of tree to have any real protection (planting oaks and apples, as a random example)?


This is what I was hinting at with my post but don't know enough to quantify what if any safeguard against disease a variety of oaks gives vs. planting all the same. Hopefully one of the more knowledgable tree growers here will comment on this.


Varying your mast species can help guard against a mast failure. It is valuable to have red oaks, white oaks, non-oak hard mast producers, and soft mast producers within a stand. Each provides a different food resource at a different time of year, and flowering/pollination may be staggered so a weather event would only impact a couple of species/groups. Diverse food resources=diverse wildlife.

Regarding Sawtooths-I saw some recent data out of NCSU on them. They put sawtooth acorns and white oak acorns in front of trail cameras, much like we would running a camera survey with corn. Deer ate 30% of the white oak acorns, and <1% of sawtooths when given a choice. Deer were more likely to visit an unbaited camera than to eat the sawtooths.

Deer food for thought...Manage your existing oaks and browse, or put something out there they rather wouldn't eat?

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#3600238 - 02/26/14 08:59 AM Re: Oaks - What types would you plant? [Re: MickThompson]
TS_13
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 Originally Posted By: MickThompson
 Originally Posted By: Hunter 257W
 Originally Posted By: Crosshairy
A tree biology question regarding diversification...

if some sort of blight/pestilence hits your area, do different strains of oaks typically respond differently?

Worded differently, does varying the type of OAKS improve your odds of resisting disease/attack, or would you have to actually vary the genus of tree to have any real protection (planting oaks and apples, as a random example)?


This is what I was hinting at with my post but don't know enough to quantify what if any safeguard against disease a variety of oaks gives vs. planting all the same. Hopefully one of the more knowledgable tree growers here will comment on this.


Varying your mast species can help guard against a mast failure. It is valuable to have red oaks, white oaks, non-oak hard mast producers, and soft mast producers within a stand. Each provides a different food resource at a different time of year, and flowering/pollination may be staggered so a weather event would only impact a couple of species/groups. Diverse food resources=diverse wildlife.

Regarding Sawtooths-I saw some recent data out of NCSU on them. They put sawtooth acorns and white oak acorns in front of trail cameras, much like we would running a camera survey with corn. Deer ate 30% of the white oak acorns, and <1% of sawtooths when given a choice. Deer were more likely to visit an unbaited camera than to eat the sawtooths.

Deer food for thought...Manage your existing oaks and browse, or put something out there they rather wouldn't eat?



I just heard the same thing...Intersting....I guess they will be good for the turkeys?

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#3600408 - 02/26/14 10:34 AM Re: Oaks - What types would you plant? [Re: MickThompson]
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 Originally Posted By: MickThompson
 Originally Posted By: Hunter 257W
 Originally Posted By: Crosshairy
A tree biology question regarding diversification...

if some sort of blight/pestilence hits your area, do different strains of oaks typically respond differently?

Worded differently, does varying the type of OAKS improve your odds of resisting disease/attack, or would you have to actually vary the genus of tree to have any real protection (planting oaks and apples, as a random example)?


This is what I was hinting at with my post but don't know enough to quantify what if any safeguard against disease a variety of oaks gives vs. planting all the same. Hopefully one of the more knowledgable tree growers here will comment on this.


Varying your mast species can help guard against a mast failure. It is valuable to have red oaks, white oaks, non-oak hard mast producers, and soft mast producers within a stand. Each provides a different food resource at a different time of year, and flowering/pollination may be staggered so a weather event would only impact a couple of species/groups. Diverse food resources=diverse wildlife.

Regarding Sawtooths-I saw some recent data out of NCSU on them. They put sawtooth acorns and white oak acorns in front of trail cameras, much like we would running a camera survey with corn. Deer ate 30% of the white oak acorns, and <1% of sawtooths when given a choice. Deer were more likely to visit an unbaited camera than to eat the sawtooths.

Deer food for thought...Manage your existing oaks and browse, or put something out there they rather wouldn't eat?
May well be true,not doubting you,but sawtooth usually fall before white.A friend of mine has a great stand of sawtooth,15 years old.Ive seen the deer in under them while bow hunting,sounds like they are eating ice.

Guess what I am saying is,may not be a fair comparison,due to different drop times.?


Edited by Football Hunter (02/26/14 03:18 PM)
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#3600487 - 02/26/14 11:20 AM Re: Oaks - What types would you plant? [Re: Football Hunter]
BlountArrow
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
May well be true,not doubting you,but sawtooth usually fall before white.A friend of mine has a great stand of sawtooth,15 years old.Ive em the deer in under them while bow hunting,sounds like they are eating ice.

Guess what I am saying is,may not be a fair comparison,due to different drop times.?


Whew...that makes me feel a little better. I'd hate to think I was planting something that was merely decorative.
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#3600777 - 02/26/14 03:19 PM Re: Oaks - What types would you plant? [Re: BlountArrow]
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 Originally Posted By: BlountArrow
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
May well be true,not doubting you,but sawtooth usually fall before white.A friend of mine has a great stand of sawtooth,15 years old.Ive em the deer in under them while bow hunting,sounds like they are eating ice.

Guess what I am saying is,may not be a fair comparison,due to different drop times.?


Whew...that makes me feel a little better. I'd hate to think I was planting something that was merely decorative.
Your not
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#3600922 - 02/26/14 04:55 PM Re: Oaks - What types would you plant? [Re: Football Hunter]
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Diversity, diversity, and more diversity. I would want as many different species of hard mast producing trees as I could get. I would want some Sawtooth around field edges, some true white, some Chinkapin on drier ridge sites. I would want both red and black oaks, and I would think seriously about the new Chestnuts that grow tall. Chestnuts are more regular mast producers than oaks.
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#3600940 - 02/26/14 05:14 PM Re: Oaks - What types would you plant? [Re: BSK]
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BSK what are these new chestnuts that grow tall you are mentioning??
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