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#3578794 - 02/07/14 11:48 AM Re: QDMA Whitetail Summit to Address Declining Herds [Re: Doskil]
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 Originally Posted By: Doskil
Pennsylvania,South Carolina, Georgia and parts of Virginia have also seen significant declines in their deer herds.


Based on...? Not doubting you Doskil, just curious where your information is coming from.
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#3578895 - 02/07/14 12:54 PM Re: QDMA Whitetail Summit to Address Declining Herds [Re: Doskil]
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 Originally Posted By: Doskil
What QDMA is NOT telling you is many of these 'declines' are on purpose.

The response from folks about a "declining herd" being some sort of epiphany or earth-shattering revelation is almost laughable....I just roll my eyes. The last decade has seen numerous states move toward more liberal anterless harvest with some specific goals around moderating population. Whaddya know...it worked.

Throw in a little EHD and widely varying hunter densities (that local herd dynamics may not be able to absorb) and you get fewer deer in places.

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#3578989 - 02/07/14 01:54 PM Re: QDMA Whitetail Summit to Address Declining Herds [Re: Boll Weevil]
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I have no doubt some areas are seeing fewer deer. However, are populations so low as to trigger a "special summit" on the "problem?"
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#3579079 - 02/07/14 03:02 PM Re: QDMA Whitetail Summit to Address Declining Herds [Re: BSK]
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Hey, maybe they're thinking, "Never let a good crisis go to waste." \:D
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#3579280 - 02/07/14 06:23 PM Re: QDMA Whitetail Summit to Address Declining Herds [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Doskil
Pennsylvania,South Carolina, Georgia and parts of Virginia have also seen significant declines in their deer herds.


Based on...? Not doubting you Doskil, just curious where your information is coming from.


Only what I have read in news reports.

Here is one:

http://www.eregulations.com/georgia/hunting/why-fewer-either-sex-days/

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#3583969 - 02/11/14 06:11 PM Re: QDMA Whitetail Summit to Address Declining Herds [Re: Doskil]
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How about the mule deer out West? Those poor things are hurting bad. Can QDMA not save them? They are deer after all!!!
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#3593183 - 02/19/14 08:10 AM Re: QDMA Whitetail Summit to Address Declining Herds [Re: AT Hiker]
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#3593285 - 02/19/14 09:45 AM Re: QDMA Whitetail Summit to Address Declining Herds [Re: gil1]
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 Originally Posted By: gil1


So the Iowa DNR asked hunters to reduce the deer population; hunters did so; deer numbers are lower--as requested by biologists; and now the QDMA wants to hold a "the sky is falling" summit to address lower deer densities?

What am I missing here?
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#3593420 - 02/19/14 11:49 AM Re: QDMA Whitetail Summit to Address Declining Herds [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
So the Iowa DNR asked hunters to reduce the deer population; hunters did so; deer numbers are lower--as requested by biologists; and now the QDMA wants to hold a "the sky is falling" summit to address lower deer densities?

What am I missing here?

Exactly.

Well, we might be "missing" the fact that many hunters are not as quick to adapt their hunting techniques as most deer change their travel patterns with increased harvests?

I'd speculate that even a 10% increase in doe harvest could easily cause a 30% reduction in deer sightings.

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#3598973 - 02/24/14 11:19 PM Re: QDMA Whitetail Summit to Address Declining Herds [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: gil1


So the Iowa DNR asked hunters to reduce the deer population; hunters did so; deer numbers are lower--as requested by biologists; and now the QDMA wants to hold a "the sky is falling" summit to address lower deer densities?

What am I missing here?


If Brian Murphy and crew don't watch out, they are going to go from what used to be an outstanding wildlife organization to a typical pot stirrer solely interested in cash flow.

Sadly, they may already be there.

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