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#3559148 - 01/24/14 09:02 AM Re: QDMA Whitetail Summit to Address Declining Herds [Re: BSK]
CAW
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: CAW
"Whitetail numbers are down throughout much of their range..."

I'd like to see the data on that.

QDMA better be careful with statements and events like this. On the surface, it looks like a fundraiser.


And THAT is why I'm dubious. Can anyone say "The sky is falling!"? Now I'm not discounting anything. But I want to see the data.


Agreed.

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#3559171 - 01/24/14 09:17 AM Re: QDMA Whitetail Summit to Address Declining Herds [Re: CAW]
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#3559240 - 01/24/14 10:18 AM Re: QDMA Whitetail Summit to Address Declining Herds [Re: Frank G]
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I call this meeting highly suspect. record deer are being killed, records numbers of deer are being seen all over the US, and some places are hiring snipers to help control the herds. A blanket statement that deer herds are declining is.....misleading at best.
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#3559415 - 01/24/14 12:09 PM Re: QDMA Whitetail Summit to Address Declining Herds [Re: TheRealSpurhunter]
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I'm only speculating here, but I would think that this meeting may primarily be in regards to some noticeable decreases in deer numbers throughout the midwest. Of course, we have to mainly look at harvest numbers, and they have declined in many midwestern states. Illinois for example, is down about 30,000+ deer for the 2013-2014 season, Missouri is down around 60,000+ deer this past season as well. Similar reports are coming out of Iowa as well as other midwestern states. Nebraska for example, has seen a dramatic decline in deer numbers due to EHD. I remember seeing one report discussing EHD in Nebraska during 2012, and they had reported an overall loss of approximately 30% statewide. Some counties were fairly low with EHD reports, and some counties were above 45% in EHD loss.

Of course I've hunted Illinois for the last 14 years, and I have seen this decline first hand on the properties we hunt. We were hit extremely hard by EHD in 2007, followed by historic flooding during June of 2008 (during fawn drop), and the effects from these 2 events were disastrous. I knew the population would eventually rebound, but what bothers me the most is how long it has taken to rebound. Another issue that has come into play in the midwest is that several wildlife agencies in their respective states started issuing unlimited antlerless tags as well as adding late season antlerless gun hunts during this same time frame. I think this combination of factors (at least in my area) has led to and helped maintain these lower deer numbers.

If you couple that with the fact that Politics always comes into play in many of these midwestern states in regards to deer regulations, there could actually be some legitimate issues that need to be addressed. It will be interesting to watch how thie unfolds.


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#3559585 - 01/24/14 02:51 PM Re: QDMA Whitetail Summit to Address Declining Herds [Re: Quailman]
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 Originally Posted By: Quailman
I'm only speculating here, but I would think that this meeting may primarily be in regards to some noticeable decreases in deer numbers throughout the midwest. Of course, we have to mainly look at harvest numbers, and they have declined in many midwestern states. Illinois for example, is down about 30,000+ deer for the 2013-2014 season, Missouri is down around 60,000+ deer this past season as well. Similar reports are coming out of Iowa as well as other midwestern states. Nebraska for example, has seen a dramatic decline in deer numbers due to EHD. I remember seeing one report discussing EHD in Nebraska during 2012, and they had reported an overall loss of approximately 30% statewide. Some counties were fairly low with EHD reports, and some counties were above 45% in EHD loss.

Of course I've hunted Illinois for the last 14 years, and I have seen this decline first hand on the properties we hunt. We were hit extremely hard by EHD in 2007, followed by historic flooding during June of 2008 (during fawn drop), and the effects from these 2 events were disastrous. I knew the population would eventually rebound, but what bothers me the most is how long it has taken to rebound. Another issue that has come into play in the midwest is that several wildlife agencies in their respective states started issuing unlimited antlerless tags as well as adding late season antlerless gun hunts during this same time frame. I think this combination of factors (at least in my area) has led to and helped maintain these lower deer numbers.

If you couple that with the fact that Politics always comes into play in many of these midwestern states in regards to deer regulations, there could actually be some legitimate issues that need to be addressed. It will be interesting to watch how thie unfolds.


I don't disagree with any of that.

What I don't like is the blanket statement that QDMA is making with this issue. They should be more specific with their objective(s). Otherwise, it comes off as fear mongering.

I have been a QDMA member for years, giving financial support and attending many conventions. Now, I could be wrong with my assessment, but in the last couple of years they seem to have shifted from an organization focused on whitetail deer and educating hunters, to an organization focused on driving membership and increasing revenues, and that is a shame.

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#3560352 - 01/25/14 09:55 AM Re: QDMA Whitetail Summit to Address Declining Herds [Re: Quailman]
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 Originally Posted By: Quailman
We were hit extremely hard by EHD in 2007, followed by historic flooding during June of 2008 (during fawn drop), and the effects from these 2 events were disastrous. I knew the population would eventually rebound, but what bothers me the most is how long it has taken to rebound.


That I completely agree with. The "normal" rebound from the '07 EHD outbreak simply did not occur as expected. In fact, populations in TN may never completely rebound, and that's actually OK. Remember back in the years right after '07 and how everyone was noticing the increase in buck quality due to the lower deer density? That's not only a good thing, but good evidence the deer density NEEDED to be lower. Throw in that the Midwest experienced another big EHD die-off in '12, and I'm sure hunters are seeing less deer (and there are less deer). But personally, I don't think this is a sign the sky is falling or something requiring a National Symposium that will just fuel fears.
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#3564524 - 01/28/14 09:39 AM Re: QDMA Whitetail Summit to Address Declining Herds [Re: BSK]
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Will definitely be interesting to see how this is handled??
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#3578077 - 02/06/14 05:49 PM Re: QDMA Whitetail Summit to Address Declining Herds [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: CAW
"Whitetail numbers are down throughout much of their range..."

I'd like to see the data on that.

QDMA better be careful with statements and events like this. On the surface, it looks like a fundraiser.


And THAT is why I'm dubious. Can anyone say "The sky is falling!"? Now I'm not discounting anything. But I want to see the data.


This year, I only killed 8 deer.
My son (guided by me) only killed 10.

Our kill numbers were at least 20 percent lower than the past 5 year averages.

This means only ONE thing...

(or maybe two)

populations are quickly dwindling

and the sky is falling!
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#3578587 - 02/07/14 08:30 AM Re: QDMA Whitetail Summit to Address Declining Herds [Re: 102]
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Don't get me wrong. I really parts of the Midwest really took a population hit from EHD in 2012. But this seems a bit early to be worrying about the populations not bouncing back on their own. Usually that takes only a couple of years.
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#3578677 - 02/07/14 10:06 AM Re: QDMA Whitetail Summit to Address Declining Herds [Re: BSK]
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Pennsylvania,South Carolina, Georgia and parts of Virginia have also seen significant declines in their deer herds.

Its not just the Midwest


What QDMA is NOT telling you is many of these 'declines' are on purpose.

Virtually all states let their deer herds get way too large and liberal doe seasons are necessary.



Edited by Doskil (02/07/14 10:08 AM)

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