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#3543073 - 01/12/14 12:15 PM Sabot-less shooting
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Anyone on here shooting sabot-less? I kno Howa has but just wondering if anyone else. I am getting ready to try it. Hoping to get lucky and not have to resize bullets. Results will be posted.
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#3543149 - 01/12/14 01:19 PM Re: Sabot-less shooting [Re: Roost 1]
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I shot sabot-less last year used 275 gr match hunters with a fiber wad and 72 gr of H 4198. I had to resize mine with an adjustable die. I sized them a tad small and knurled them a little with a file to fit. They shot great..!
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#3543172 - 01/12/14 01:33 PM Re: Sabot-less shooting [Re: hayman]
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McGowan Remington 700ML conversion.
250gr. Barnes TEZ over 10/50 IMR-SR 4759/IMR4198.
Wool wad, CCI 209M.

I put a slight knurl on them.

They shoot lights out.

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#3543176 - 01/12/14 01:34 PM Re: Sabot-less shooting [Re: hayman]
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So they were too big for your bore to start with??
I am not sure understand what is meant by re-sizing.
I am going to try TEZ's and 275 mh.. I have some wool wads and veggie wads.
Going to try a 4759/4198 duplex.
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#3543192 - 01/12/14 01:42 PM Re: Sabot-less shooting [Re: Roost 1]
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Not me. I'm happy with what I can get with it & it acts as a saftey in case I screw up.getting a Cronograph is next on my list.
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#3543330 - 01/12/14 04:03 PM Re: Sabot-less shooting [Re: mike243]
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 Originally Posted By: mike243
Not me. I'm happy with what I can get with it & it acts as a saftey in case I screw up.getting a Cronograph is next on my list.

I am telling you don't get a Cronograph. They just bring on more questions that will need answering.
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#3543364 - 01/12/14 04:21 PM Re: Sabot-less shooting [Re: KPH]
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 Originally Posted By: KPH
 Originally Posted By: mike243
Not me. I'm happy with what I can get with it & it acts as a saftey in case I screw up.getting a Cronograph is next on my list.

I am telling you don't get a Cronograph. They just bring on more questions that will need answering.


Like, how in the heck did you shoot it? Lol
Just ask Fullstream...... \:\)
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#3543382 - 01/12/14 04:38 PM Re: Sabot-less shooting [Re: Roost 1]
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Get a Magnetospeed chrony and you shouldn't have to worry about shooting it.
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#3543513 - 01/12/14 05:50 PM Re: Sabot-less shooting [Re: ratsnakeboogy]
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If you currently reload then you are a step ahead in the areas of charge measurement, strict attention to detail, etc. Removing the sabot removes the "safety net" so to speak, requiring strict attention to detail. It is trickier getting the bullets sized to fit properly when going sabotless. I use a wool wad under the projectile to keep moisture out and keep the powder compacted tightly. Also, you don't have to wait between shots.

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#3543527 - 01/12/14 06:02 PM Re: Sabot-less shooting [Re: CR500AFX]
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I need someone to explain the process of re-sizing the bullets.
Also not sure about full form and smoothe.. Hoping bullets either fit out of package or maybe with knurling..
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#3544445 - 01/13/14 09:33 AM Re: Sabot-less shooting [Re: Roost 1]
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All you do to resize a bullet is force them through a die that is the diameter that you want. That can be done with a reloading press and a threaded resizing die or a free standing die and an arbor press.

Smoothe resizing just changes the diameter of the bullet to whatever diameter your die is (bullet is still round and smoothe). Full form resizing cuts the rifling on the bullet so that it engages the rifling of your barrel and takes up the full bore.
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#3544447 - 01/13/14 09:33 AM Re: Sabot-less shooting [Re: Roost 1]
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 Originally Posted By: Roost 1
I need someone to explain the process of re-sizing the bullets.
Also not sure about full form and smoothe.. Hoping bullets either fit out of package or maybe with knurling..


Sizing is done with either dedicated sizing dies .449, .448, etc. these are available special order from LEE.

Smooth sizing die is available through Tom Post I believe, this die is adjustable and is used for "land-riding" bullets.

Full form dies are made from barrel drops from your rifle, they are exact matches to your lands and grooves. The drop is machined into a die that your bullet is pressed through to engrave the bullet that is then loaded into your barrel.

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#3544452 - 01/13/14 09:35 AM Re: Sabot-less shooting [Re: ratsnakeboogy]
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Duck beat me to it.
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#3544545 - 01/13/14 10:34 AM Re: Sabot-less shooting [Re: ratsnakeboogy]
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So is it safe to assume that people re-size bullets when the bullets are too tight or just won't go down the barrel? So, far the ones I have tried are too loose for my barrel. Have not tried them knurled yet.
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#3544598 - 01/13/14 11:04 AM Re: Sabot-less shooting [Re: Roost 1]
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They generally size to get a more exact fit for their rifle (or in the case of full form sizing they are getting the EXACT fit).

Even for sabot shooters, you can take a .400 bullet and knurl it up to say .404ish then run it through a .402 die and all of your bullets will be .402 rather than having variances if you don't measure all of them when you knurl.
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#3544612 - 01/13/14 11:17 AM Re: Sabot-less shooting [Re: Roost 1]
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 Originally Posted By: Roost 1
 Originally Posted By: KPH
 Originally Posted By: mike243
Not me. I'm happy with what I can get with it & it acts as a saftey in case I screw up.getting a Cronograph is next on my list.

I am telling you don't get a Cronograph. They just bring on more questions that will need answering.


Like, how in the heck did you shoot it? Lol
Just ask Fullstream...... \:\)


Lol yep that sucked...

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#3545060 - 01/13/14 04:51 PM Re: Sabot-less shooting [Re: Roost 1]
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 Originally Posted By: Roost 1
 Originally Posted By: KPH
 Originally Posted By: mike243
Not me. I'm happy with what I can get with it & it acts as a saftey in case I screw up.getting a Cronograph is next on my list.

I am telling you don't get a Cronograph. They just bring on more questions that will need answering.


Like, how in the heck did you shoot it? Lol
Just ask Fullstream...... \:\)

I haven't shoot it yet still practicing.
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#3545147 - 01/13/14 05:49 PM Re: Sabot-less shooting [Re: KPH]
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6-7 years ago, I was able to purchase a .401/.408 barrel from PacNor for a custom .40 build.

Sabotless is easy for me (and my ONLY option). A slight knurl to get to .401-.4015.

Pour some N110, some Varget, add (2) WOOL WADS (vegie cards wads SUCK), and stick a knurled 195 grain Barnes down the barrel.

sub-MOA to 400 yards @ dam close to 3,000 fps.

With some friends' kills added (they always borrow MY gun), that gun is close to 25 kills, no misses, and just (1) 195gr Barnes recovered on a shot from stern to bow by me. 3' of deer at 140 yards stopped that one.

If you have some sense, you can safely shoot sabotless.

Good luck-

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