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#3537124 - 01/08/14 11:51 AM IR flash questions
BUCKYJR
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I'm sure this has been run in the ground, but I'm a little bummed about seeing all the posts about IR scaring deer away. I've not really noticed it on mine, but I'm concerned that maybe I just wouldn't know that a buck was spooked and just wont come back to my area for hunting b/c of my camera. If IR is all I can/want to pay for a trail cam, is there any tips to make it as less invasive to the deer? Does anyone actually use the self drill in steps and climb up to hang the camera-pointing down? OR would it be an idea to put tape over the LEDs and just focus on daytime movement? I really enjoy getting pics of deer/bucks w/ my cams, but I sure don't want to be scaring away the deer. thanks for your advice!
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#3537286 - 01/08/14 01:36 PM Re: IR flash questions [Re: BUCKYJR]
DaveB
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I am gonna move all my cams quite a bit higher. Can't hurt.

I noticed two things this year: (1)nearly every buck disappeared off camera in October and off the lease in daylight [except for one big forkie, maybe a 6] right to season end. (2) Doe activity didn't change a bit.

Actually a third. my TR was gone by Thanksgiving and the does were eating the dirt right through end of season. I'm thinking I will keep a fresh TR year around.

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#3537365 - 01/08/14 02:25 PM Re: IR flash questions [Re: DaveB]
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Actually a third. my TR was gone by Thanksgiving and the does were eating the dirt right through end of season. I'm thinking I will keep a fresh TR year around.


That's actually good news DaveB. I run "unbaited" censuses during the hunting season because you can't run bait during the season (and also hunt). If your deer will use salt licks all year, this gives you a baited location to run cameras over that is legal during the season.

The only question I would want answered before I limited my camera locations to salt-licks during the season is whether older bucks will use the salt during the season. I would want to have cameras on scrapes before and during the rut to make sure older bucks weren't around but not using the salt. It is not at all uncommon to find sexual differentiation of bait usage. In essence, one sex is using the bait and the other sex is not. Or even differences within sex by age; i.e. young bucks will use bait but older bucks wont.
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#3537380 - 01/08/14 02:33 PM Re: IR flash questions [Re: BUCKYJR]
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 Originally Posted By: BUCKYJR
I'm sure this has been run in the ground, but I'm a little bummed about seeing all the posts about IR scaring deer away. I've not really noticed it on mine, but I'm concerned that maybe I just wouldn't know that a buck was spooked and just wont come back to my area for hunting b/c of my camera.


And unfortunately, that's often what happens. It's pretty tough to quantify what you can't see (bucks avoiding cameras). I've had some truly bitter arguments with individuals on Talk Forums over this topic. They will go on and on about how they experience ZERO camera avoidance with white-flash or IR flash cameras, and make it quite clear that I'm full of it. However, once I get them to try a back-flash camera, within a few weeks either they come back and admit how wrong they were, or they simply vanish from the site because they're too embarrassed to admit how wrong they were.

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If IR is all I can/want to pay for a trail cam, is there any tips to make it as less invasive to the deer?


Best advice, mount them high and point them downwards. However, realize that is a pain in the butt, and will limit the trigger area of the camera. Often, some of best pictures are of mature bucks passing by in the background. A downward camera angle would miss those bucks.

But if my choices were IR mounted high and pointed downwards, or IR at ground level, I would choose high and pointed downwards, because of the greatly reduced camera avoidance.
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#3538288 - 01/09/14 12:50 AM Re: IR flash questions [Re: BUCKYJR]
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My red IR flash cameras all get mounted 10 - 12 ft high and angled down over the target zone. One climbing stick and a lineman's belt is all you need to hang them and check them. There are many tail camera mounts that can be purchased to position the camera at the desired angle. Or, you can go cheap and try to use a stick or something to achieve the mounting angle that you need.

Here are some pics I posted last summer of some of my red IR flash cameras that I have on public land. Getting them up high on the tree gets them out of sight of deer, hunters and thieves. This is a great method to use when placing a camera to monitor a mineral site.

Mounting trail cams out of reach

In my opinion, this is the best trail camera mount available today for the price. Only $10.

HME Tree Mount Trail Camera Holder


Edited by Vermin93 (01/09/14 12:57 AM)
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#3538475 - 01/09/14 07:40 AM Re: IR flash questions [Re: Vermin93]
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 Originally Posted By: Vermin93
One climbing stick and a lineman's belt is all you need to hang them and check them.


If I had to do that to set up a camera, I would quit using them!

But I do get your point. If I could only use IR cams, and I only used a coupe of them, I would certainly use that technique.
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#3538624 - 01/09/14 09:33 AM Re: IR flash questions [Re: BSK]
BUCKYJR
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Vermin93
One climbing stick and a lineman's belt is all you need to hang them and check them.


If I had to do that to set up a camera, I would quit using them!

But I do get your point. If I could only use IR cams, and I only used a coupe of them, I would certainly use that technique.


Good info guys. Thanks --still not sure which is better now...sell all my IR cams and buy one nice Black flash or try to mount my IR cams higher and go through that hassle! wow

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#3538651 - 01/09/14 09:49 AM Re: IR flash questions [Re: BUCKYJR]
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 Originally Posted By: BUCKYJR
 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Vermin93
One climbing stick and a lineman's belt is all you need to hang them and check them.


If I had to do that to set up a camera, I would quit using them!

But I do get your point. If I could only use IR cams, and I only used a coupe of them, I would certainly use that technique.


Good info guys. Thanks --still not sure which is better now...sell all my IR cams and buy one nice Black flash or try to mount my IR cams higher and go through that hassle! wow


How many and what kinds do you have? I'll take all of them \:D
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#3538719 - 01/09/14 10:32 AM Re: IR flash questions [Re: Master Chief]
huntinkev
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I mounted mine high and angled down. It's about 8.5 - 9' up. I used the left over strap material and a stick to create my angle.

The last set of pictures I had at ground level in the second set of pics the doe was looking right at the Camera and I'm sure the red glow. The next pic was of her walking off.

I do want a black flash in the future.

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#3538836 - 01/09/14 11:57 AM Re: IR flash questions [Re: Vermin93]
Wes Parrish
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 Originally Posted By: Vermin93
In my opinion, this is the best trail camera mount available today for the price. Only $10.

HME Tree Mount Trail Camera Holder

Have you tried the Spypoint MA-360?
You might like it even better, although not "for the money".

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Spypointr...ch-All+Products

Last year I purchased 16 Python locks keyed alike simply because it had become such a pain carrying so many different keys. But our cams may actually be more secure simply by never being seen.

These little screw-in cam arms keep the cam invisible on a typical tree when someone is behind the tree (unlike a cable lock). And you can mount them in places you cannot use a cable or strap very well if at all. Mounting beyond reach (and hard to notice) may be a more "secure" way of preventing human theft than even using a cable lock. I like to do both, and am constantly looking for new ways to place cams where Python cables won't work and/or humans wouldn't expect them to be.

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