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#3527037 - 01/02/14 11:02 AM Pot legal or not
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Should pot be legalized?
You may choose only one
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Votes accepted starting: 01/02/14 11:02 AM
You must vote before you can view the results of this poll.

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#3527051 - 01/02/14 11:09 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: RUGER]
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#3527061 - 01/02/14 11:15 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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I'm kind of indifferent, maybe a "I dot care" vote option?
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#3527074 - 01/02/14 11:26 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: catman529]
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Yea, I don't care.
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#3527078 - 01/02/14 11:28 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Redwing]
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Well guys.. What if it said this:

From Uncle Sam:

Do you approve or disapprove of me taking your money to protect people ENTIRELY from themselves

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That's it in a nutshell for me.
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#3527130 - 01/02/14 11:55 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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I don't agree with pot... But I'm on the fence also about legal or not. The money we spend with the "war on drugs" is crazy. I voted no.

From experience with FD/EMS, I would much rather run up on a driver who smoked a joint than someone who drank a six pack. Me... I don't do either. I'm high on life. Nothing better than being in control of your thoughts and actons at all times.
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#3527141 - 01/02/14 12:04 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: SilverFox]
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When I was Bear Hunting in Alaska back in the 80's it was legal there for personal use, but illegal to sell
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#3527144 - 01/02/14 12:05 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: SilverFox]
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I've moved more libertarian on this issue.
I used to be a staunch advocate for the criminalization of pot.

But now I just feel it's a tool for Govt. to encroach on liberty and a MASSIVE expense that we cant' afford.

Legalize it and stop all federal (tax payer funded) addiction treatment.

Puff all you want and when you want to 'Dry out" - pay for it yourself.

These days, I don't see it any different than alcohol. Use it, use it responsibly and stay off the roads. What do I care what people do to their minds and bodies.

It's a losing and expensive battle and I really have no interest it it one way or another.



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#3527145 - 01/02/14 12:06 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: landman]
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Does this tell us how many members on here USE pot?? One would think those that do use pot would easy vote to make it legal.
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#3527149 - 01/02/14 12:08 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
Does this tell us how many members on here USE pot?? One would think those that do use pot would easy vote to make it legal.

looks that way
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#3527150 - 01/02/14 12:09 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Wildcat]
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#3527154 - 01/02/14 12:10 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Wildcat]
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No. I don't use pot and I voted to legalize it.

IMO, there are just much, MUCH bigger issues that we need spend our political capital on.

This "war on drugs" is a bottomless pit. The Patriot act has apprehended more drug dealers than terrorists and we've lost more liberty in the name of "Getting them off the streets" than we have with the NSA.


Since when has conservatives taken to making laws to dictate what people can do in their own homes?
Always thought that was the liberal's way - See something you don't like and want a law to stope EVERYONE from doing it.

Conservative see something they don't like and they just don't do it.
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#3527163 - 01/02/14 12:14 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
Does this tell us how many members on here USE pot?? One would think those that do use pot would easy vote to make it legal.


Agree. Makes me wonder how many hunt while stoned.
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#3527167 - 01/02/14 12:17 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: KPH]
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 Originally Posted By: KPH
 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
Does this tell us how many members on here USE pot?? One would think those that do use pot would easy vote to make it legal.

looks that way


So then, I suppose we could run a "should baiting be legal" thread and we would all know who is illegally baiting based on the way that they vote? \:\/
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#3527172 - 01/02/14 12:19 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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It really boils down to personal responsibility.... same as with drinking... but there need to be some severe punishment dealt if you drive or something that results in an innocent persons injury/death. Drinking & Driving even needs harsher punishments... being caught driving again while license are suspended doesn't sound like much of a lesson learned.


It's a choice a person makes.... much of that decision reflects how the person was raised....

I don't smoke pot nor have I even tried pot in my 35 years of living....
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#3527177 - 01/02/14 12:21 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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I'm with crappie - I haven't smoked pot since the early 70's, but the output of cubic dollars to enforce these laws is insane - not to mention, the perps normally are just kicked to the curb anyway because of the overcrowding -

Make it legal, tax the crap out of it - like regular smokes - and move on -

I do NOT believe this poll is an indication of how many are smoking pot on the list - rather - those that simply don't care because it has no effect on their lives -

Or as Crappie has stated - it's time to move on from what is the booze of the 21st century because it will never be stopped -
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#3527180 - 01/02/14 12:22 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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 Originally Posted By: Pic IN the Casa
 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
Does this tell us how many members on here USE pot?? One would think those that do use pot would easy vote to make it legal.


Agree. Makes me wonder how many hunt while stoned.


Go to any of the get togethers or any of the camp outs, walk around outside and smell the "fresh air" it will tell you all you need to know.
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#3527182 - 01/02/14 12:22 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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 Originally Posted By: Grizzly Johnson
It really boils down to personal responsibility.... same as with drinking... but there need to be some severe punishment dealt if you drive or something that results in an innocent persons injury/death. Drinking & Driving even needs harsher punishments... being caught driving again while license are suspended doesn't sound like much of a lesson learned.


Exactly.
How can we make the argument "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" and then, in the next breath want to outlaw a weed.

Either people are responsible for their actions or they are not.
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#3527184 - 01/02/14 12:23 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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I think the creation of poll/vote threads should be legalized for the citizens.

As for the poll - legalize it; tax the THC out of it.
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#3527185 - 01/02/14 12:23 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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 Originally Posted By: Pic IN the Casa
 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
Does this tell us how many members on here USE pot?? One would think those that do use pot would easy vote to make it legal.


Agree. Makes me wonder how many hunt while stoned.


I'll meet you fellers at the test center whenever you want to go.. Myself, you won't find a single prescription or non-prescription drug in my blood.

For me this is not a fight for me to be able to smoke pot legally, it's a fight for all to legally do whatever the heck they want to - to Themselves, without my tax dollars being wasted on trying to stop them - and I do mean wasted - history proves it.
Do I think its right, Nope, did I teach my kids not to smoke it, Yep.. As far as I know based on randoms at school etc.. my 18/22 yr olds have not partaken.. I explained the health hazards to them early on - had a friend walk them thru the jail when they were young and show them what drug abuse has the potential to create and with all that said, That's My Job to do and Not the guberments job to do with My Tax Dollars.. Simply put, our government is crooked and more likely to take our tax dollars while taking bribes to allow illegal drug trade at the same time. Abusing anything is something parents - schools - churches should take on and teach on..
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#3527186 - 01/02/14 12:23 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Poser]
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 Originally Posted By: KPH
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Does this tell us how many members on here USE pot?? One would think those that do use pot would easy vote to make it legal.

looks that way


So then, I suppose we could run a "should baiting be legal" thread and we would all know who is illegally baiting based on the way that they vote? \:\/


It HAS been done.
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#3527189 - 01/02/14 12:24 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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Bunch of pot heads...

I believe if you drink or smoke pot/tobacco you shouldn't be allowed to receive any government assistance cause if you can find money for habits you can find money for bills/ food
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#3527193 - 01/02/14 12:26 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: KPH]
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 Originally Posted By: KPH
 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
Does this tell us how many members on here USE pot?? One would think those that do use pot would easy vote to make it legal.

looks that way


Not true for everyone. I would legalize it to save taxpayer's $ in what is a fight that will never get anything but worse. I don't use it, have no desire to use it, just like I rarely take a drink. I would make tobacco illegal if it was up to me but it isn't it is a legal taxed product that I have the choice to not use.

Saying this is kind of simple view of a much wider complex question and makes assumptions that if you are for legalizing something then you must do it illegally. That isn't always the case.
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#3527195 - 01/02/14 12:27 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Eric Kilby]
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Bunch of pot heads...

I believe if you drink or smoke pot/tobacco you shouldn't be allowed to receive any government assistance cause if you can find money for habits you can find money for bills/ food


Eric I agree with that 100%.. I think things that will knowingly hurt us should void government assistance AND make health insurance premiums twice what mine are....but I still think it should be legal.
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#3527200 - 01/02/14 12:30 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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Anyone on welfare should be passing drug screenings in the first place, legal or not.
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#3527202 - 01/02/14 12:31 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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Make it legal, tax the crap out of it - like regular alcohol and cigarettes and be done with it.
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#3527206 - 01/02/14 12:32 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: KPH]
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I dont use pot but voted yes. Instead of money user spend going to drug dealers, our goverment would get a cut. Stimulate a struggling economy. People are going to use it regardless of wether it's legal or not. Just because it's legal does that mean anyone here would start smoking? No. If it was legal I still would not smoke it.
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#3527207 - 01/02/14 12:32 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
Anyone on welfare should be passing drug screenings in the first place, legal or not.



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#3527209 - 01/02/14 12:32 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: RUGER]
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If you are going to legalize pot, why not cocain, heroine, meth, and all the other drugs???????????????????
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#3527215 - 01/02/14 12:34 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: ghostfive]
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Does this tell us how many members on here USE pot?? One would think those that do use pot would easy vote to make it legal.

looks that way


Not true for everyone. I would legalize it to save taxpayer's $ in what is a fight that will never get anything but worse. I don't use it, have no desire to use it, just like I rarely take a drink. I would make tobacco illegal if it was up to me but it isn't it is a legal taxed product that I have the choice to not use.

Saying this is kind of simple view of a much wider complex question and makes assumptions that if you are for legalizing something then you must do it illegally. That isn't always the case.


When you get to be my age and have seen it all then you will know it DOES HOLD TRUE FOR MOST.

Every thing we are hearing today, I heard it all back in the 1960's, they are using the SAME words and excuses. nothing has changed except the younger people now using.
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#3527225 - 01/02/14 12:37 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: TLRanger]
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If you are going to legalize pot, why not cocain, heroine, meth, and all the other drugs???????????????????


For all of history, except for the past 50 years or so, they were.

When did drug abuse start becoming a wide-spread problem? The past 50 years.

So, if making them illegal is not solving the problem, maybe we should admit it's been a VERY expensive failure and possibly caused it to become worse.
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#3527233 - 01/02/14 12:40 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: TLRanger]
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If you are going to legalize pot, why not cocain, heroine, meth, and all the other drugs???????????????????
Good question. Why is alcohol, oxycotton, xanax, nicotine and other drugs legal?

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#3527239 - 01/02/14 12:44 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
Does this tell us how many members on here USE pot?? One would think those that do use pot would easy vote to make it legal.


I don't use...and only did a few times growing up. However, I voted yes. The one drug that causes the most problems in this Country is alcohol. When that was banned we had the highest crime rates in history. I say legalize it, tax the heck out of it, and regulate it the same way we do with alcohol.

The only issue I see is determining if someone is "over the limit" to drive the way we easily can with alcohol.
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#3527240 - 01/02/14 12:45 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Planking]
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I wonder how long it will be before pot stores start accepting ebt?
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#3527244 - 01/02/14 12:47 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Mudbone]
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I wonder how long it will be before pot stores start accepting ebt?



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#3527246 - 01/02/14 12:49 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: MattR]
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I wonder how long it will be before pot stores start accepting ebt?



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\:D Duuuuude! That was funny! \:D
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#3527247 - 01/02/14 12:49 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: TLRanger]
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If you are going to legalize pot, why not cocain, heroine, meth, and all the other drugs???????????????????


There were no drug laws at all in the U.S. until around the turn of the 20th Century. Society didn't collapse when pot, cocaine, and all of the opiates were legal and widely available. Why should it now?

I'm not saying that making drugs legal wouldn't cause problems. It certainly would. Just look at the societal problems alcohol causes. But making alcohol illegal didn't solve the problem (and some research indicates it made the problems worse). So why would making drugs legal make things that much worse?
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#3527248 - 01/02/14 12:49 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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I agree with Crappie Luck 100%. I don't use it, but IMO alcohol is far more destructive. If adults want to smoke it in their own homes, it doesn't affect me. Yes, I am a libertarian. I believe in freedom and personal responsibility.
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#3527254 - 01/02/14 12:52 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Spurhunter]
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But what if, heaven forbid, they don't use it just in their homes, and become a danger to the public? Just like alcohol I guess?
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#3527255 - 01/02/14 12:52 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Spurhunter]
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I agree with Crappie Luck 100%. I don't use it, but IMO alcohol is far more destructive. If adults want to smoke it in their own homes, it doesn't affect me. Yes, I am a libertarian. I believe in freedom and personal responsibility.


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#3527257 - 01/02/14 12:53 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Wildcat]
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Does this tell us how many members on here USE pot?? One would think those that do use pot would easy vote to make it legal.


It tells me that I and others maybe have a clue about how much money has been thrown at it to TRY and stop the usage. I have firsthand knowledge of what has been spent over a year in one small region of my state. When that number is multiplied across the nation.......

When one "assumes"...... ;\)
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#3527258 - 01/02/14 12:53 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: MUP]
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But what if, heaven forbid, they don't use it just in their homes, and become a danger to the public? Just like alcohol I guess?


Then it is the same problem as alcohol. And people will use it outside of their homes just as much when it is legal as when it was not legal. I know of no research suggesting drug use would explode if it were legal. You would have about the same number of users as now.
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#3527266 - 01/02/14 12:56 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: BSK]
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I can see it becoming much more readily available/accessible to young folks, if it becomes legal.
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#3527278 - 01/02/14 01:00 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: MUP]
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#3527282 - 01/02/14 01:01 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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Well guys.. What if it said this:

From Uncle Sam:

Do you approve or disapprove of me taking your money to protect people ENTIRELY from themselves

Yes
No

That's it in a nutshell for me.


That is called Obamacare, isn't it? I mean, we are not going to let people live with their mistakes from a societal standpoint, are we? Healthcare, housing, foodstamps, etc. If we took those things away and said, "If you screw it up, then you are stuck with your own mess," then I would be all for letting someone ruin their own lives. But until I quit paying for addicts healthcare, everyday living, and social concerns, then I will vote "no."


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#3527284 - 01/02/14 01:03 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
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If you are going to legalize pot, why not cocain, heroine, meth, and all the other drugs???????????????????


For all of history, except for the past 50 years or so, they were.

When did drug abuse start becoming a wide-spread problem? The past 50 years.

So, if making them illegal is not solving the problem, maybe we should admit it's been a VERY expensive failure and possibly caused it to become worse.


Go back and read the real history. The drugs were legal and people DID use them. The reason it did not SEEM widespread was because the drug users were on their own. They did NOT have the govt or anybody else for that matter to support and save them. When they overdosed, they simply died right then and there. There were no rehab centers, they did not have any ER rooms and very few doctors that would help them unless their family had tons of money.
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#3527286 - 01/02/14 01:03 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Mudbone]
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 Originally Posted By: Mudbone
I wonder how long it will be before pot stores start accepting ebt?


Was in the local convenience store not to many months back and saw a Margarita maker for sale with a sigh on it saying it was eligible for EBT. Walked out just shaking my head

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#3527287 - 01/02/14 01:04 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: MUP]
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 Originally Posted By: MUP
I can see it becoming much more readily available/accessible to young folks, if it becomes legal.


Those are the core customers of illegal drugs now. Adults are much less likely to develop a new drug habit than the youth. They are not the core users
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#3527291 - 01/02/14 01:06 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Hillbilly Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Hillbilly Hunter
I am shocked at the poll results.


I'm not. Like I said, go around the campgrounds and smell the air.
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#3527293 - 01/02/14 01:06 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
 Originally Posted By: TLRanger
If you are going to legalize pot, why not cocain, heroine, meth, and all the other drugs???????????????????


For all of history, except for the past 50 years or so, they were.

When did drug abuse start becoming a wide-spread problem? The past 50 years.

So, if making them illegal is not solving the problem, maybe we should admit it's been a VERY expensive failure and possibly caused it to become worse.


Go back and read the real history. The drugs were legal and people DID use them. The reason it did not SEEM widespread was because the drug users were on their own. They did NOT have the govt or anybody else for that matter to support and save them. When they overdosed, they simply died right then and there. There were no rehab centers and very few doctors that would help them unless your h\family had tons of money.


I fail to see the problem. Why did we screw with a self-regualting system like THAT?

A solution to a non-problem. Sounds "Progressive" ;\)
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#3527294 - 01/02/14 01:06 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
 Originally Posted By: MUP
I can see it becoming much more readily available/accessible to young folks, if it becomes legal.


Those are the core customers of illegal drugs now. Adults are much less likely to develop a new drug habit than the youth. They are not the core users



I mean very young folks, that will eventually grow up to have the habit. \:\( As in playground children.
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#3527296 - 01/02/14 01:07 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: MUP]
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I voted no but agree with Crappie's stance.

I don't think pot should be illegal from a Federal standpoint but if a local jurisdiction wants to legalize it fine.

The problem comes when the RESPONSIBILITY is put on other peoples shoulders.
You use drugs, the ENTIRE package of responsibilities should lie squarely on you and nobody else. No tax dollars for rehab. No tax dollars for enforcement, no tax dollars for healthcare issues, no subsidized housing, unemployment, food, etc....
The local government should get ZERO outside funds as well.
Doing drugs is a LUXURY and INDULGENCE that you alone should pay for in any possible sense.

Its easy to indulge in bad behavior if somebody else feels the pain or gets the bill.

Its similar to riding a motorcycle without a helmet. You SHOULD be allowed to, BUT you also should also be completely cut off from any public funds for medical treatment or care if you get in an accident. You want to take the risk, you take the responsibility.
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#3527298 - 01/02/14 01:08 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Just like when kids would sneak something out of their parents liquor cabinet, it's going to be the same with pot. Probably won't be long before we have coffee shops like Amsterdam.

Maybe pot will be similar to alcohol and help ugly people get lucky.

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#3527302 - 01/02/14 01:08 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Wildcat]
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This is what I see.

"Too much government! Unless it's something I don't like, then let the government handle it! Stop liking things I don't like."

Amazing irony in this thread.
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#3527303 - 01/02/14 01:09 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Many of the drugs were not "Outlawed' at first. That came later.

Instead they used the IRS to regulate the sale through "Tax stamps".

Sound familier to any gun owners? Class III,Full-auto, suppressors etc...
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#3527314 - 01/02/14 01:16 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: fishboy1]
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 Originally Posted By: fishboy1
I voted no but agree with Crappie's stance.

I don't think pot should be illegal from a Federal standpoint but if a local jurisdiction wants to legalize it fine.

The problem comes when the RESPONSIBILITY is put on other peoples shoulders.
You use drugs, the ENTIRE package of responsibilities should lie squarely on you and nobody else. No tax dollars for rehab. No tax dollars for enforcement, no tax dollars for healthcare issues, no subsidized housing, unemployment, food, etc....
The local government should get ZERO outside funds as well.
Doing drugs is a LUXURY and INDULGENCE that you alone should pay for in any possible sense.

Its easy to indulge in bad behavior if somebody else feels the pain or gets the bill.

Its similar to riding a motorcycle without a helmet. You SHOULD be allowed to, BUT you also should also be completely cut off from any public funds for medical treatment or care if you get in an accident. You want to take the risk, you take the responsibility.


That's a solid stance that I can agree with.

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#3527318 - 01/02/14 01:17 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: KPH]
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this outcome so far it pretty surprising to me.
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#3527320 - 01/02/14 01:17 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: jb3]
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 Originally Posted By: jb3


Maybe pot will be similar to alcohol and help ugly people get lucky.


Meth is pretty effective at making beautiful people like like "walkers".

I'd steer clear of any drug that would make you look like you need a screw driver bured into your eye socket

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#3527323 - 01/02/14 01:18 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
Does this tell us how many members on here USE pot?? One would think those that do use pot would easy vote to make it legal.


Maybe the poll just tells us that the potheads can't remember if they voted....so they keep on voting.
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#3527324 - 01/02/14 01:19 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kingston]
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Does this tell us how many members on here USE pot?? One would think those that do use pot would easy vote to make it legal.


Maybe the poll just tells us that the potheads can't remember if they voted....so they keep on voting.


LOL \:D
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#3527330 - 01/02/14 01:23 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: TLRanger]
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 Originally Posted By: TLRanger
If you are going to legalize pot, why not cocain, heroine, meth, and all the other drugs???????????????????



You may be onto something.... natural selection or a way to clean out the gene pool a bit....
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#3527332 - 01/02/14 01:23 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: preds1]
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I also have to disagree with the
"tax the crap out of it" stance.

There is a misplaced belief that taxes result in a net benefit to society.
If you do some in depth research you will find that taxes do NOT result in a net benefit to society but exactly the opposite.

Most taxes COST society much more than the BENEFITS they purchase. There are very very few exceptions (national defense for one)

In this case, the idea is that a societal negative (smoking pot) can be taxed to produce a positive (money for good works).

Instead, you create a monster both from an economic standpoint and a governmental/liberty one.
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#3527334 - 01/02/14 01:24 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Crappie Luck]
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I was surprised at the results on the poll when voted

I will now wait for the editorial from the resident rainbow warrior
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#3527342 - 01/02/14 01:26 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: infoman jr.]
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 Originally Posted By: infoman jr.
This is what I see.

"Too much government! Unless it's something I don't like, then let the government handle it! Stop liking things I don't like."

Amazing irony in this thread.


Does drugs change your behavior or influence your body in any way??

There is a difference between govt running some ones life and having a free for all.

It's the same thing when liberals say conservatives do not want to pay any taxes at all, that's never been true and is nothing but a desperate attempt by the liberals to get people to look the other way.
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#3527347 - 01/02/14 01:27 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: fishboy1]
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 Originally Posted By: fishboy1
I also have to disagree with the
"tax the crap out of it" stance.

There is a misplaced belief that taxes result in a net benefit to society.
If you do some in depth research you will find that taxes do NOT result in a net benefit to society but exactly the opposite.

Most taxes COST society much more than the BENEFITS they purchase. There are very very few exceptions (national defense for one)

In this case, the idea is that a societal negative (smoking pot) can be taxed to produce a positive (money for good works).

Instead, you create a monster both from an economic standpoint and a governmental/liberty one.


But they can say it's "for the Children". Big Crack inspired billboards that say "if YoU caN reAD tHis, thaNk a TeaCher"
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#3527350 - 01/02/14 01:28 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Crappie Luck]
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I don't use it, but I think if it was legal then our LEOs could concentrate on different crime.
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#3527353 - 01/02/14 01:30 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: fishboy1]
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I voted no but agree with Crappie's stance.

I don't think pot should be illegal from a Federal standpoint but if a local jurisdiction wants to legalize it fine.

The problem comes when the RESPONSIBILITY is put on other peoples shoulders.
You use drugs, the ENTIRE package of responsibilities should lie squarely on you and nobody else. No tax dollars for rehab. No tax dollars for enforcement, no tax dollars for healthcare issues, no subsidized housing, unemployment, food, etc....
The local government should get ZERO outside funds as well.
Doing drugs is a LUXURY and INDULGENCE that you alone should pay for in any possible sense.

Its easy to indulge in bad behavior if somebody else feels the pain or gets the bill.

Its similar to riding a motorcycle without a helmet. You SHOULD be allowed to, BUT you also should also be completely cut off from any public funds for medical treatment or care if you get in an accident. You want to take the risk, you take the responsibility.


That will NEVER happen and you of all people should know it.

The same people that support drugs WANT the help they can get FREE when they over do it.

Take that support away and watch them die off like they did all though out history until 50 years ago when the govt stepped in to support them and save them for free.
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#3527363 - 01/02/14 01:33 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: KPH]
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I am really surprised to see more yes votes then nah votes, I voted no
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#3527364 - 01/02/14 01:33 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Wildcat]
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You are right about that WC. The support and tax payer dollars will flow to "Aid" them.

But I just can't see continuing to burn the candle at both ends.

We make it illegal.
We spend trillions fighting it
Then we spend billions treating the addicted.

IMO, any treatment centers should be private or state funded. NO MORE FEDERAL TAX DOLLARS.

If the states want to treat the addicted, let them tax the sales. But it is NOT the federal Govt. job to rob us non -uses to fund the weak, addicted and irresponsible.
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#3527366 - 01/02/14 01:34 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: jos3ywales]
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#3527367 - 01/02/14 01:35 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Wildcat]
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Just like drunks I don't want to deal with potheads on the roadways. My vote is NO
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#3527373 - 01/02/14 01:39 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: KPH]
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#3527374 - 01/02/14 01:39 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: MUP]
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 Originally Posted By: MUP
But what if, heaven forbid, they don't use it just in their homes, and become a danger to the public? Just like alcohol I guess?


They already do brother and I honestly don't believe the criminal aspect (DUI) would increase based on it being legal to use, just like alcohol.
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#3527375 - 01/02/14 01:39 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Big Ben]
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Whether legal or not... a person smoking pot will find a source.... like drunks, you are on the road with pot heads already.
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#3527378 - 01/02/14 01:40 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: fishboy1
I voted no but agree with Crappie's stance.

I don't think pot should be illegal from a Federal standpoint but if a local jurisdiction wants to legalize it fine.

The problem comes when the RESPONSIBILITY is put on other peoples shoulders.
You use drugs, the ENTIRE package of responsibilities should lie squarely on you and nobody else. No tax dollars for rehab. No tax dollars for enforcement, no tax dollars for healthcare issues, no subsidized housing, unemployment, food, etc....
The local government should get ZERO outside funds as well.
Doing drugs is a LUXURY and INDULGENCE that you alone should pay for in any possible sense.

Its easy to indulge in bad behavior if somebody else feels the pain or gets the bill.

Its similar to riding a motorcycle without a helmet. You SHOULD be allowed to, BUT you also should also be completely cut off from any public funds for medical treatment or care if you get in an accident. You want to take the risk, you take the responsibility.




The same people that support drugs WANT the help they can get FREE when they over do it.

Take that support away and watch them die off like they did all though out history until 50 years ago when the govt stepped in to support them and save them for free.

That will never happen and you of all people should know it.
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#3527379 - 01/02/14 01:41 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Big Ben]
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 Originally Posted By: Big Ben
Just like drunks I don't want to deal with potheads on the roadways. My vote is NO


How would it becoming legal to smoke increase roadway issues?? Those who want pot now..............have pot. Those who want to toke and drive, already toke and drive - just like those who decide to drink and drive.

The only thing legalizing pot would do, IMO, is give the profits to a needy government vs the cartel's and gangs.
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#3527383 - 01/02/14 01:43 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Wildcat]
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what I wonder is what does the 'legalizing' of pot do to the workplace drug policies/practices that employers are using now?
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#3527387 - 01/02/14 01:46 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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From what I have read, and been told by Leo friends, most of the pot being used in the US these days no longer comes from Mexico or other countries but is being grown indoors in the states.
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#3527388 - 01/02/14 01:47 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: eddie c]
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what I wonder is what does the 'legalizing' of pot do to the workplace drug policies/practices that employers are using now?

I wouldn't see them changing. Don't come to work under the influence of alcohol or marijuana.
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#3527389 - 01/02/14 01:47 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Mudbone]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
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I voted no but agree with Crappie's stance.

I don't think pot should be illegal from a Federal standpoint but if a local jurisdiction wants to legalize it fine.

The problem comes when the RESPONSIBILITY is put on other peoples shoulders.
You use drugs, the ENTIRE package of responsibilities should lie squarely on you and nobody else. No tax dollars for rehab. No tax dollars for enforcement, no tax dollars for healthcare issues, no subsidized housing, unemployment, food, etc....
The local government should get ZERO outside funds as well.
Doing drugs is a LUXURY and INDULGENCE that you alone should pay for in any possible sense.

Its easy to indulge in bad behavior if somebody else feels the pain or gets the bill.

Its similar to riding a motorcycle without a helmet. You SHOULD be allowed to, BUT you also should also be completely cut off from any public funds for medical treatment or care if you get in an accident. You want to take the risk, you take the responsibility.




The same people that support drugs WANT the help they can get FREE when they over do it.

Take that support away and watch them die off like they did all though out history until 50 years ago when the govt stepped in to support them and save them for free.

That will never happen and you of all people should know it.


Yes it will and it's coming fast.

We're nearing 20 TRILLION in debt. This country is BROKE!!!
There is going to be some painful and very hard times coming. Those addicted to drugs, booze or whatever have no future when the money dries up. They are living on "borrowed time" - Literally.

Funding for drug addicts will as short lived as they are.

Worry about preparing yourself and your family for the economic tsunami coming and let those people pick at their faces in the mirror. They'll get theirs soon enough.
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#3527390 - 01/02/14 01:47 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Chaneylake]
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 Originally Posted By: Chaneylake
I was surprised at the results on the poll when voted

I will now wait for the editorial from the resident rainbow warrior


Bwahaha

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#3527392 - 01/02/14 01:48 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: eddie c]
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what I wonder is what does the 'legalizing' of pot do to the workplace drug policies/practices that employers are using now?


Most don't let us drink on the job so I'd guess the rules would be the same. If you were caught "high" or "drunk" on the job you'd likely be escorted out the door.
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#3527400 - 01/02/14 01:54 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: KPH]
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I voted yes. And no I don't use, and have only tried it once when I was younger.

To me alcohol is much more dangerous than pot. The whole reason it is illegal is they "can not figure a way" to tax it to those that grow and sell illegally as of now.

Throw it on the shelves and sell the heck out of it. Help out a struggling economy.

And to those that say it will be easier to get a hold of for minors if it is legal, what is the difference in now? Most all kids have cell phones, all it takes is one or two phone calls and you can get just about anything you want these days. Minors get alcohol all the time, some get caught others don't.

Make the consequences sever for minors who get caught under the influence or in possession of the same as alcohol. If parenting is done right anyways, most of us will not have anything to worry about with our kids drinking/doing drugs or other illegal activities.
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#3527402 - 01/02/14 01:55 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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 Originally Posted By: Kimber45
 Originally Posted By: eddie c
what I wonder is what does the 'legalizing' of pot do to the workplace drug policies/practices that employers are using now?


Most don't let us drink on the job so I'd guess the rules would be the same. If you were caught "high" or "drunk" on the job you'd likely be escorted out the door.


I think that is one of the biggest obstacles to legalizing it. We can easily measure Blook Alcohol as a measure of intoxication. To my knowledge there isn't any way to measure how high someone is.

I am no drug expert, but drug tests only test to see if pot is in your system, they don't tell an employer or officer if you are high at that time...nor how high.
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#3527405 - 01/02/14 01:55 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Crappie Luck]
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It's being sold in your neighbor hood right now.It is closer to you than you think.The ones that smoke it now will be the same ones that smoke it if it is legal or not.You would be shocked if you knew who was smoking it that you never thought would.Some of your best friends and people that you work with some of your kinfolks smoke it they just don't smoke it like some of the pot heads do.They might not smoke it every night they might not smoke it every week it might be weeks or even months before they smoke it. You would be really surprised if you new who was.[And no i don't smoke it]
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#3527415 - 01/02/14 02:01 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: BamaProud]
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 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
 Originally Posted By: Kimber45
 Originally Posted By: eddie c
what I wonder is what does the 'legalizing' of pot do to the workplace drug policies/practices that employers are using now?


Most don't let us drink on the job so I'd guess the rules would be the same. If you were caught "high" or "drunk" on the job you'd likely be escorted out the door.


I think that is one of the biggest obstacles to legalizing it. We can easily measure Blook Alcohol as a measure of intoxication. To my knowledge there isn't any way to measure how high someone is.

I am no drug expert, but drug tests only test to see if pot is in your system, they don't tell an employer or officer if you are high at that time...nor how high.


Actually some of the newer (more expensive) employer testing devices do help understand the level of THC in the body and what most do if/when its in question is send the test off for a complete level observation/report. You can bet that if there becomes a need for this test to be more accurate on the spot the labs will get busy devising new devices.

I have seen what you're referring to 1st hand and seen a weekend binge cost a very intelligent guy a great job because he chose to go out and smoke one weekend while out on a trip with the fella's. This was at a previous job - about 15 yrs ago and that day, as well as most before, he had been the best/most efficient and effective at his job. That random was very costly to he and the company - and he actually had a job making more $ somewhere else a very short time later.
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#3527423 - 01/02/14 02:05 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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Tax it so the government can have more money to spend on other great ideas. Alcohol and tobacco are already taxed to death. I'd like to see just how wisely that money is spent. Like what's been said before, just because pot is taxed, doesn't mean that money will be put to good use.

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#3527436 - 01/02/14 02:13 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: jb3]
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Tax it so the government can have more money to spend on other great ideas. Alcohol and tobacco are already taxed to death. I'd like to see just how wisely that money is spent. Like what's been said before, just because pot is taxed, doesn't mean that money will be put to good use.

I'm going shopping at Target.


Exactly the point. We know we can't trust the government but we trust them to control what we can/cant do??

IF planned out correctly (which I understand is unlikely) The Social Security System could be in the black instead of in the red funded by something like this. Now is that all that should be done to fix SS, No - stopping the sickening thieving would be a + but since we cant stop the thieves historically why not take from the cartel and thugs and fund some government programs that are a cancer on our tax dollars instead?
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#3527444 - 01/02/14 02:19 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Big Ben]
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Just like drunks I don't want to deal with potheads on the roadways. My vote is NO


They are both there already -
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#3527447 - 01/02/14 02:20 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: ferg]
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 Originally Posted By: ferg
 Originally Posted By: Big Ben
Just like drunks I don't want to deal with potheads on the roadways. My vote is NO


They are both there already -
And have been for many many years.
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#3527486 - 01/02/14 02:40 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Woodson223]
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I find it interesting that the "you know they will never do that" argument hasn't come up more.

We have been conditioned to believe that we are weak and can have no effect on things. Just go along with the crowd and try to fit in.

The argument should be "its going to be hard to get those changes made but its worth the fight".
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#3527488 - 01/02/14 02:42 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Woodson223]
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#3527503 - 01/02/14 02:49 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: ghostfive]
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#3527508 - 01/02/14 02:51 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Woodson223]
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 Originally Posted By: Woodson223
It's being sold in your neighbor hood right now.It is closer to you than you think.The ones that smoke it now will be the same ones that smoke it if it is legal or not.You would be shocked if you knew who was smoking it that you never thought would.Some of your best friends and people that you work with some of your kinfolks smoke it they just don't smoke it like some of the pot heads do.They might not smoke it every night they might not smoke it every week it might be weeks or even months before they smoke it. You would be really surprised if you new who was.[And no i don't smoke it]


Nope, it would not surprise me at all. You are making the point I was. Most of the people that voted yes DO SMOKE POT ever if they say they don't. Guessing who they are... well it's just a guessing game here. That's why I don't put much stock in what they say about pot because it WILL ALWAYS be pot is good and harmless.
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#3527517 - 01/02/14 02:58 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Wildcat]
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I don't think Pot is good or harmless.

I just don't think it's the govt.'s job to protect people from their own poor choices at the expense of those who are responsible.
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#3527521 - 01/02/14 03:00 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
I don't think Pot is good or harmless.

I just don't think it's the govt.'s job to protect people from their own poor choices at the expense of those who are responsible.




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#3527523 - 01/02/14 03:01 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: fishboy1]
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I voted no but agree with Crappie's stance.

I don't think pot should be illegal from a Federal standpoint but if a local jurisdiction wants to legalize it fine.

The problem comes when the RESPONSIBILITY is put on other peoples shoulders.
You use drugs, the ENTIRE package of responsibilities should lie squarely on you and nobody else. No tax dollars for rehab. No tax dollars for enforcement, no tax dollars for healthcare issues, no subsidized housing, unemployment, food, etc....
The local government should get ZERO outside funds as well.
Doing drugs is a LUXURY and INDULGENCE that you alone should pay for in any possible sense.

Its easy to indulge in bad behavior if somebody else feels the pain or gets the bill.

Its similar to riding a motorcycle without a helmet. You SHOULD be allowed to, BUT you also should also be completely cut off from any public funds for medical treatment or care if you get in an accident. You want to take the risk, you take the responsibility.


I can agree with this.

It sums up my statement about getting the tooth paste back in the tube.
If we were to start from swuare one, I would say yes legalize it but we can't and never will.
If all the potheads would be responsible for all of their actions then I say lets do it but since we have liberal policies about gubment assistance for needles, etc... then we are asking for trouble.
Taxes WILL continue to go up and they WILL MOST CERTAINLY never go down because of legalizing pot.

All of you claiming freedon from the government are buying into a drug industry held up BY the government. Let's talk again in 5 years about how many new gubment jobs, regulations and task force (i.e. childrens services) have been created because of legalized pot.
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#3527524 - 01/02/14 03:02 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat

Nope, it would not surprise me at all. You are making the point I was. Most of the people that voted yes DO SMOKE POT ever if they say they don't. Guessing who they are... well it's just a guessing game here. That's why I don't put much stock in what they say about pot because it WILL ALWAYS be pot is good and harmless.


I could make an unverifiable blanket post saying everyone who voted Yes wears womans underwear, but that doesn't make it any more true than your assumption.

I also do not see anyone posting about pot being good and harmless either. As a matter of fact doing a word search in this whole thread for "harmless" doesn't turn up one result before yours.
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#3527529 - 01/02/14 03:04 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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If we're doing it to protect us from harming ourselves then shouldn't we be getting rid of gun bluing, glues, aerosols, refrigerants etc etc etc that ppl are harming themselves with hourly?
While I understand the items mentioned above are now dual-purpose, they ARE being used to get high now so shouldn't we ban them too?

At the end of the day, the strong will prevail, the weak will not and in most cases - having the strength and will to not partake in ANYTHING harmful should be up to the individual - with the exception of anyone not legally considered an adult, IMO
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#3527536 - 01/02/14 03:07 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Wildcat]
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I smoked pot and had terrible panic attacks. The idea that it is a "harmless" drug is BS. Although it is not as harmful as alcohol, it's not totally harmless.
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#3527540 - 01/02/14 03:08 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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One thing I noticed is that a lot of the same people that are saying pot should be illegal are the same people that were saying the government is infringing on us when the discussion about New York's soda ban was occurring. I find it sort of hypocritical.

FYI- I don't smoke pot or drink soda; by choice. So, until the government starts forcing one or the other in me, I really don't care either way.

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#3527542 - 01/02/14 03:09 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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No doubt it's widely used. I know cops that smoke pot. One in particular started by sneaking it from his parents. His father... A police chief now retired. He followed in his footsteps in more ways than one. He works on the drug team now. Who better to catch a dope head than a dope head?

I still don't think it should be legal. I don't know how to solve the problem we have but I don't see legalizing it as the fix.

I don't want to be around it. Make it legal and you'll be around it walking in Bass Pro. You're kids will be around it pulling up to school or daycare. No matter how well you teach your kids there is always going to be strong outside influence. This is another influence we don't need.

While I would much rather meet a high driver than a drunk driver, given the choice I don't want to meet either.
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#3527547 - 01/02/14 03:12 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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 Originally Posted By: Kimber45
If we're doing it to protect us from harming ourselves then shouldn't we be getting rid of gun bluing, glues, aerosols, refrigerants etc etc etc that ppl are harming themselves with hourly?
While I understand the items mentioned above are now dual-purpose, they ARE being used to get high now so shouldn't we ban them too?

At the end of the day, the strong will prevail, the weak will not and in most cases - having the strength and will to not partake in ANYTHING harmful should be up to the individual - with the exception of anyone not legally considered an adult, IMO


Kimber- first let me say that I enjoy your posts and I believe we have more in common than not- I just disagree with you on this one.

Regarding the bold print- If what you said was only true! The weak have been propped up for 70 years by us taxpayers. And they will continue to take our money for more agencies, hand outs, etc... Unfortunately, we will never have enough elected officials to think like your statement (and which I agree).
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#3527548 - 01/02/14 03:12 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: UTGrad]
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I smoked pot and had terrible panic attacks. The idea that it is a "harmless" drug is BS. Although it is not as harmful as alcohol, it's not totally harmless.


Nobody here believes or says its harmless. Any more than smoking, over-eating, taking legal meds with horrible side effects, driving fast, not wearing a life jacket, helmet, seatbelt etc.. All they are saying is the Laws don't work, they are costly and shouldn't be because WE are responsible for what we do to our own bodies.
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#3527550 - 01/02/14 03:13 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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 Originally Posted By: Kimber45
If we're doing it to protect us from harming ourselves then shouldn't we be getting rid of gun bluing, glues, aerosols, refrigerants etc etc etc that ppl are harming themselves with hourly?
While I understand the items mentioned above are now dual-purpose, they ARE being used to get high now so shouldn't we ban them too?

At the end of the day, the strong will prevail, the weak will not and in most cases - having the strength and will to not partake in ANYTHING harmful should be up to the individual - with the exception of anyone not legally considered an adult, IMO


Kimber- first let me say that I enjoy your posts and I believe we have more in common than not- I just disagree with you on this one.

Regarding the bold print- If what you said was only true! The weak have been propped up for 70 years by us taxpayers. And they will continue to take our money for more agencies, hand outs, etc... Unfortunately, we will never have enough elected officials to think like your statement (and which I agree).


Yes Sir I agree and when/if we pull the props the weak will be responsible for their own demise via their own choosing and I'll help with the funeral
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#3527552 - 01/02/14 03:14 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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Pot has an immediate and dibilitating affect, just like other drugs. To compare it to over eating is a weak argument IMO.
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#3527556 - 01/02/14 03:16 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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 Originally Posted By: Pic IN the Casa
Pot has an immediate and dibilitating affect, just like other drugs. To compare it to over eating is a weak argument IMO.


Weak example out of MANY examples for sure..but a valid example of protecting us from ourselves nonetheless.. People die from diseases tied to obesity by the hour
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#3527558 - 01/02/14 03:16 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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Pot has an immediate and dibilitating affect, just like other drugs. To compare it to over eating is a weak argument IMO.


Weak example out of MANY examples for sure..but a valid example of protecting us from ourselves nonetheless.. People die from diseases tied to obesity by the hour


Just ask mrs obumer - she's working on protecting us from that very issue right now \:\)
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#3527559 - 01/02/14 03:17 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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#3527560 - 01/02/14 03:17 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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All of you claiming freedon from the government are buying into a drug industry held up BY the government. Let's talk again in 5 years about how many new gubment jobs, regulations and task force (i.e. childrens services) have been created because of legalized pot.


These task forces, departments and bureaucracies are created through govt. corruption and an unaccountable budgeting system, not a legal or illegal plant.

Anything can and will result in growth of government if :

1) They chose to use that excuse as the vehicle for expansion.
2. We allow them.

In no way do I ever see limiting liberty and personal responsibility as a means to restrain growth or shrink government.

If that was the case, our Govt. would be much smaller NOW than it was in 1865.

Heck, we'd have cut the govt. offices in 1/2 between 1913 and 1969.

The less personal responsibility we have, the more govt. is needed to make sure we "eat our peas".
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#3527571 - 01/02/14 03:23 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Mudbone]
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If I had to vote one way or the other I'd vote for legalization and bet you would see less than a 5% increase in usage...and for those that only rely on what they read or hear...as far as I know smoking pot is no more addictive than having a glass of orange juice for breakfast.
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#3527574 - 01/02/14 03:25 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
 Originally Posted By: Pic IN the Casa

All of you claiming freedon from the government are buying into a drug industry held up BY the government. Let's talk again in 5 years about how many new gubment jobs, regulations and task force (i.e. childrens services) have been created because of legalized pot.


These task forces, departments and bureaucracies are created through govt. corruption and an unaccountable budgeting system, not a legal or illegal plant.


I see what you're saying but nonetheless, they are created and funded by us. Therefore, no freedom.
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#3527576 - 01/02/14 03:26 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
I've moved more libertarian on this issue.
I used to be a staunch advocate for the criminalization of pot.

But now I just feel it's a tool for Govt. to encroach on liberty and a MASSIVE expense that we cant' afford.

Legalize it and stop all federal (tax payer funded) addiction treatment.

Puff all you want and when you want to 'Dry out" - pay for it yourself.

These days, I don't see it any different than alcohol. Use it, use it responsibly and stay off the roads. What do I care what people do to their minds and bodies.

It's a losing and expensive battle and I really have no interest it it one way or another.





I agree with this, but marijuana is the only thing I'd be ok with legalizing.
I'm very Libertarian myself, but on drugs, I only favor removing restrictions on pot.
Legalize it, make the users adhere to the same rules as alcohol users.
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#3527581 - 01/02/14 03:31 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Mike Belt]
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...and for those that only rely on what they read or hear...as far as I know smoking pot is no more addictive than having a glass of orange juice for breakfast.


Yep.
And the bs about it being a "gateway drug" it's government propaganda to prop up the"war on drugs".
Without the marijuana industry being illegal, the war on drugs would fold, along with untold billions of dollars that support the effort.
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#3527583 - 01/02/14 03:34 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
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All of you claiming freedon from the government are buying into a drug industry held up BY the government. Let's talk again in 5 years about how many new gubment jobs, regulations and task force (i.e. childrens services) have been created because of legalized pot.


These task forces, departments and bureaucracies are created through govt. corruption and an unaccountable budgeting system, not a legal or illegal plant.


I see what you're saying but nonetheless, they are created and funded by us. Therefore, no freedom.


And I also agree with your concerns about growing entitlements and subsidizing failure. I just feel the answer to that problem lies in holding our elected officials accountable, not in nanny state managing our of our personal lives.
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#3527584 - 01/02/14 03:34 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: BamaProud]
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Nope, it would not surprise me at all. You are making the point I was. Most of the people that voted yes DO SMOKE POT ever if they say they don't. Guessing who they are... well it's just a guessing game here. That's why I don't put much stock in what they say about pot because it WILL ALWAYS be pot is good and harmless.


I could make an unverifiable blanket post saying everyone who voted Yes wears womans underwear, but that doesn't make it any more true than your assumption.

I also do not see anyone posting about pot being good and harmless either. As a matter of fact doing a word search in this whole thread for "harmless" doesn't turn up one result before yours.


I never said it was harmless in fact I know it isn't that wasn't the question of the poll. As for since I said legalize it I obviously use it, I am available for a test anywhere anytime and you don't have to guess who I am I will be happy to tell you who I am and where I am located since I have nothing to hide.
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#3527586 - 01/02/14 03:35 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: sgtwebb1]
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What I have read, is that deer like to feed on marijuana plants. One afternoon I was hunting on family land and found tons of trails leading over a small ridge. Hunted it but didn't see anything but the neighbor going over the hill. Investigated it later and found a "food plot". Turned around and let the owner know, he took care of it. BTW I vote no.
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#3527593 - 01/02/14 03:40 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: bigquacks]
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I will vote yes if the taxes raised from it be used to test every single food stamp and tenn care recipient... until then I will stand by no

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#3527597 - 01/02/14 03:42 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: SilverFox]
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 Originally Posted By: SilverFox
No doubt it's widely used. I know cops that smoke pot. One in particular started by sneaking it from his parents. His father... A police chief now retired. He followed in his footsteps in more ways than one. He works on the drug team now. Who better to catch a dope head than a dope head?...



I really hope to see the cop in question in the unemployment line someday, or better still, behind bars. Whatever one's feelings on this issue, he is a disgrace to the entire profession, as was his father.
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#3527599 - 01/02/14 03:44 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: bigquacks]
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Smoke more pot...

....See more deer.


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#3527600 - 01/02/14 03:44 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Eric Kilby]
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Anyone that argues the weak will die off and the strong will survive are wrong because the weak/stupid/ reproduce at a far greater rate than the good side of society


Only when that behavior is subsidized. And those people are going to spark up whether those of us feeding them like it or not.

Has pot being illegal resulted in a lower birth rate among the trash we're subsidizing?

The only solution to that problem is to cut off their free money. That's a whole different issue.
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#3527605 - 01/02/14 03:49 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: bigquacks]
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Would everyone that wants pot to remain illegal vote to turn alcohol illegal?
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#3527606 - 01/02/14 03:50 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Mike Belt]
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 Originally Posted By: Mike Belt
Smoke more pot...

....See more deer.
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#3527613 - 01/02/14 03:55 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Mudbone]
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I wonder how long it will be before pot stores start accepting ebt?
The people that know how to grow it and sell it are the same people that use the EBT cards \:\) (not all of them i suppose) but think about it...They are the ones that will get rich...
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#3527622 - 01/02/14 03:59 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Crappie Luck]
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#3527625 - 01/02/14 04:01 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: bigquacks]
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I'm all for legalization. I smoked pot for a while and had to quit for a job. I quit without a problem and no ill side effects. Take an alcoholic. And let him go cold turkey and watch him suffer from the dts and shakes. Take a smoker or a dipper and make him quit cold turkey and watch him go through withdrawals. I'm not saying that pot is harmless but I am saying if you've never tried it you really don't have much of a leg to stand on telling me how bad it is to use. This weed could turn around our economy and save so much money on the war on drugs. Not to mention it has so many medical benefits that gave years of proven research. There are basically two reasons folks don't want it legalized and that is tobacco business will lose tons and cotton business will lose tons. I hope they legalize it and the sooner the better! When other states see the tax revenue that Colorado is fixing to generate you can bet that they will follow suit!
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#3527626 - 01/02/14 04:01 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Rubberduck270]
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 Originally Posted By: Rubberduck270
Just reading this thread is giving me the munchies.


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#3527628 - 01/02/14 04:02 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Mike Belt]
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 Originally Posted By: Mike Belt
Smoke more pot...

....See more deer.


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#3527630 - 01/02/14 04:02 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: DBLAARCHERY]
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I voted yes and I do not use or plan on using...I have several employees in the past that smoked pot and they were great workers...I have no prejudice against people that smoke pot...I have prejudice against people that are drug abusers...People that have scripts that my tax dollars and insurance premiums buy and then they sell them to someone else for the drug they choose to get high on...Not to mention the meth heads or strung out shooters.

I do know that there are a lot of money for local communities to make off pot...
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#3527643 - 01/02/14 04:09 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: DBLAARCHERY]
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If pot becomes legal will the blaze orange requirement change? Maybe tie dye stands out better to a stoned hunter in the woods lol
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#3527669 - 01/02/14 04:22 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: UTGrad]
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Anyone thinking pot isn't easily accessible to all ages of children is ignorant. Some of the most successful and influential people I know smoke pot. It is very widespread and relatively harmless compared to alcohol and hard drugs. I would like to know how many kids of those taking such a strong stand against it have smoked pot. Most likely with them never knowing it. Studies have disproven most of the ignorant theories about it. I am starting to learn that the far right is just as bad for society as the far left. I know what is probably about to be said to me, and I don't really care. Sometimes logic doesn't even work in debate.
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#3527684 - 01/02/14 04:27 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: UTGrad]
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Pot is illegal now but any of us, with in two to three hours, could find and buy pot.

The "illegal" status of pot reminds me of the futility of the Volstead Act. The Government made the illegal alcohol trade very profitable by removing the big distilleries from the equation.
You can't take the profit out of anything by making it illegal. You make it less attractive to those selling it by making it less profitable. Making it legal accomplishes that task.
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#3527692 - 01/02/14 04:36 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: MrWhitetail
I am starting to learn that the far right is just as bad for society as the far left. I know what is probably about to be said to me, and I don't really care. Sometimes logic doesn't even work in debate.


"Far right" would be less government and more liberty. That is what the Right vs left means.

No one from the far right would advocate for more government. I'm not saying you won't find conservatives, especially evangelical conservatives that would like to see pot remain illegal on moral grounds. But they are not "Far right". They are Christians and possible conservatives.

Just FYI.
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#3527697 - 01/02/14 04:41 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Mudbone]
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 Originally Posted By: Mudbone
Would everyone that wants pot to remain illegal vote to turn alcohol illegal?
any?
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#3527698 - 01/02/14 04:41 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: UTGrad]
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 Originally Posted By: UTGrad
If pot becomes legal will the blaze orange requirement change? Maybe tie dye stands out better to a stoned hunter in the woods lol


HA!
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#3527701 - 01/02/14 04:45 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: MattR]
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Also, maybe the reason it isn't legal yet is becauase the government is making more money off of it than if they would tax it. Because otherwise, it doesnt make much sense

Arresting rich drug dealers = money


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#3527714 - 01/02/14 04:51 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: RUGER]
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I don't smoke pot or anything else, for that matter. Legalize it and tax it to the hilt - may as well get something out of the deal that's been going on for many years (and costing us taxpayers million$ for enforcement, prosecution, and incarceration).

Downside is the increase in unemployment rate - some poor dealers will be out of a job and going on unemployment!
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#3527759 - 01/02/14 05:11 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
 Originally Posted By: MrWhitetail
I am starting to learn that the far right is just as bad for society as the far left. I know what is probably about to be said to me, and I don't really care. Sometimes logic doesn't even work in debate.


"Far right" would be less government and more liberty. That is what the Right vs left means.

No one from the far right would advocate for more government. I'm not saying you won't find conservatives, especially evangelical conservatives that would like to see pot remain illegal on moral grounds. But they are not "Far right". They are Christians and possible conservatives.

Just FYI.
I understand what right vs. left means, and I agree that most on the right want smaller government. What I am saying, is that there are a large number of evangelical conservatives who want it to be illegal on moral grounds. That section of the right will put society in jeopardy due to their unwillingness to look at both sides of an issue.

America is a free country. You should be able to live whatever life you want to live as long as you are not a burden on the rest of society. It isn't any of my business what someone else does on their own time. Those on the "far right" want to quote scripture all day, yet they are going against their own faith by judging those who aren't like them. God says to go out and teach. In order to do that, you have to educate yourself in all aspects of an issue. There is, and never will be a clear solution to anything. That is why government was created.

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#3527763 - 01/02/14 05:13 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Inkstainz]
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 Originally Posted By: Inkstainz
Not to mention it has so many medical benefits that gave years of proven research. There are basically two reasons folks don't want it legalized and that is tobacco business will lose tons and cotton business will lose tons.


I am for legalization, but not for ulterior reasons. I simply see it as another drug, no worse than Alcohol(which also has medical uses) it was used extensively in medicine before its benefits were synthesized without the high. All of the Medical effects of pot have been synthesized with little to no interest from people claiming that is why they use it. Hemp products are also legal.

I'd be willing to bet the revenue generated in CO will be minimal.
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#3527765 - 01/02/14 05:14 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Monty]
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For those who are buying pot now....competition is what generates price. Your favorite dealers may have to drop their prices.

(Disclaimer...Sounds like I'm a pot smoker. Not true but years ago I was a connoisseur. Your word, your work ethics, and your morals. If they are all good then I'm all good with you...pot or not). Just from reading these posts I think many are under the misconception that anyone who smokes pot is a waste of space. That only holds true if they were a waste even before they smoked. Smoking doesn't make you so any more than not smoking doesn't.
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#3527766 - 01/02/14 05:14 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Monty]
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Just what we need in the woods with guns "hy mon thrs a orange deer" "whes it AT.... my turn to shoot"! Oh man what's next.
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#3527775 - 01/02/14 05:18 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: BamaProud]
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 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
 Originally Posted By: Inkstainz
Not to mention it has so many medical benefits that gave years of proven research. There are basically two reasons folks don't want it legalized and that is tobacco business will lose tons and cotton business will lose tons.


I am for legalization, but not for ulterior reasons. I simply see it as another drug, no worse than Alcohol(which also has medical uses) it was used extensively in medicine before its benefits were synthesized without the high. All of the Medical effects of pot have been synthesized with little to no interest from people claiming that is why they use it. Hemp products are also legal.

I'd be willing to bet the revenue generated in CO will be minimal.
Colorado is projecting $578 million in pot sales for the year. That is $67 million in tax revenue. That isn't just a drop in a bucket. I would bet they will see a decrease in crime related to pot. It will also free up the judicial system to focus on real crime.

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#3527779 - 01/02/14 05:19 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Monty]
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 Originally Posted By: Monty


Downside is the increase in unemployment rate - some poor dealers will be out of a job and going on unemployment!


I think that is a larger positive than many people realize. Its one thing to deal pot to potheads, its another level of danger dealing meth or heroin to hard core addicts.
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#3527780 - 01/02/14 05:21 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Mike Belt]
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 Originally Posted By: Mike Belt
For those who are buying pot now....competition is what generates price. Your favorite dealers may have to drop their prices.

(Disclaimer...Sounds like I'm a pot smoker. Not true but years ago I was a connoisseur. Your word, your work ethics, and your morals. If they are all good then I'm all good with you...pot or not). Just from reading these posts I think many are under the misconception that anyone who smokes pot is a waste of space. That only holds true if they were a waste even before they smoked. Smoking doesn't make you so any more than not smoking doesn't.
It is certainly easier to pick out the ones that have never done it than the ones who have.

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#3527781 - 01/02/14 05:21 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: ]
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MRwhitetail has made an incorrect assumption.
That all "far right" conservatives are Evangelical Christians.
I remember the witch hunt back in the 80's when the left branded anybody with the slightest conservative principles as "a far right Evangelical Christian" who wanted to take away your reproductive organs, drugs, likker, and rock n roll.

Though false, it was very effective among the target audience.

Please notice a common thread among almost all posters.

"I don't care what you do at home as long as it has ZERO effect on me. No taxes, no subsidies, no impaired driving...etc."

That is the core "conservative" belief that the left has hijacked, gutted and is wearing the skin around like a Halloween costume.
It has been shortened to "What I do is none of your business and you are a hater if you don't support it"....(Now cough up some more tax money to support me and my objectionable behaviors)
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#3527782 - 01/02/14 05:21 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Frank G]
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 Originally Posted By: Frank G
Just what we need in the woods with guns "hy mon thrs a orange deer" "whes it AT.... my turn to shoot"! Oh man what's next.


What thought process on earth gives you the idea that there'll be more "high hunters" following legalization?? Not a single person said make it legal to drive, handle a firearm, etc.. It's very unlikely that the high-hunter ratio would increase at all if legalized. Basically a non-issue
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#3527789 - 01/02/14 05:27 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: fishboy1]
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 Originally Posted By: fishboy1
MRwhitetail has made an incorrect assumption.
That all "far right" conservatives are Evangelical Christians.
I remember the witch hunt back in the 80's when the left branded anybody with the slightest conservative principles as "a far right Evangelical Christian" who wanted to take away your reproductive organs, drugs, likker, and rock n roll.

Though false, it was very effective among the target audience.

Please notice a common thread among almost all posters.

"I don't care what you do at home as long as it has ZERO effect on me. No taxes, no subsidies, no impaired driving...etc."

That is the core "conservative" belief that the left has hijacked, gutted and is wearing the skin around like a Halloween costume.
It has been shortened to "What I do is none of your business and you are a hater if you don't support it"....(Now cough up some more tax money to support me and my objectionable behaviors)
I didn't say that all far right conservatives are evangelical Christians, I said that most evangelical Christians are far right. I am not even close to being a liberal, but I do try to practice some common sense when it comes to the financial stability of the U.S. I also try to focus on much more serious issues than those the media gets you all worked up about.

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#3527791 - 01/02/14 05:27 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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#3527795 - 01/02/14 05:30 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: MrWhitetail
Colorado is projecting $578 million in pot sales for the year. That is $67 million in tax revenue. That isn't just a drop in a bucket. I would bet they will see a decrease in crime related to pot. It will also free up the judicial system to focus on real crime.


According to the National Cotton Council of America Business revenue stimulated by the crop in the U.S. economy is estimated at some $100 billion.
http://www.cotton.org/econ/world/

Tobacco over 35 Billion.
http://www.worldlungfoundation.org/ht/display/ReleaseDetails/i/20439/pid/6858

67 Million is less than 1-100th of a percent what big tobacco makes. Even if all 50 states follow suit and produce equal tax revenue you aren't even at 1% of Big tobacco profits...not 1/2 percent of Cotton.

I understand what you are saying though and again support legalization, but just don't see the huge positive economic boost.
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#3527798 - 01/02/14 05:33 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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#3527804 - 01/02/14 05:35 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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 Originally Posted By: Kimber45


What thought process on earth gives you the idea that there'll be more "high hunters" following legalization?? Not a single person said make it legal to drive, handle a firearm, etc.. It's very unlikely that the high-hunter ratio would increase at all if legalized. Basically a non-issue


That idea is just the equivalent of the anti-gun crowd's claim that reducing gun restrictions will result in death in the streets. Fear mongering.
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#3527807 - 01/02/14 05:36 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: BamaProud]
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 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
 Originally Posted By: MrWhitetail
Colorado is projecting $578 million in pot sales for the year. That is $67 million in tax revenue. That isn't just a drop in a bucket. I would bet they will see a decrease in crime related to pot. It will also free up the judicial system to focus on real crime.


According to the National Cotton Council of America Business revenue stimulated by the crop in the U.S. economy is estimated at some $100 billion.
http://www.cotton.org/econ/world/

Tobacco over 35 Billion.
http://www.worldlungfoundation.org/ht/display/ReleaseDetails/i/20439/pid/6858

67 Million is less than 1-100th of a percent what big tobacco makes. Even if all 50 states follow suit and produce equal tax revenue you aren't even at 1% of Big tobacco profits...not 1/2 percent of Cotton.

I understand what you are saying though and again support legalization, but just don't see the huge positive economic boost.
Remember this is in its infant stage though. These days, every bit of tax revenue helps.

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#3527808 - 01/02/14 05:37 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: BamaProud]
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 Originally Posted By: BamaProud
 Originally Posted By: MrWhitetail
Colorado is projecting $578 million in pot sales for the year. That is $67 million in tax revenue. That isn't just a drop in a bucket. I would bet they will see a decrease in crime related to pot. It will also free up the judicial system to focus on real crime.


According to the National Cotton Council of America Business revenue stimulated by the crop in the U.S. economy is estimated at some $100 billion.
http://www.cotton.org/econ/world/

Tobacco over 35 Billion.
http://www.worldlungfoundation.org/ht/display/ReleaseDetails/i/20439/pid/6858

67 Million is less than 1-100th of a percent what big tobacco makes. Even if all 50 states follow suit and produce equal tax revenue you aren't even at 1% of Big tobacco profits...not 1/2 percent of Cotton.

I understand what you are saying though and again support legalization, but just don't see the huge positive economic boost.


I think there'd be an economic boost - coming from the billions going back into the US economy to be circulated vs going to our southern countries.. I'd sure like to see all that $ stay here and see what the results were.
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#3527811 - 01/02/14 05:38 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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I have no problem with Christians or anyone else objecting to legalization of pot on moral grounds. That is a valid argument, IMO.

I made..Actually, I evolved my opinion based on the role of government and liberty. Nothing else.

However, I don't think Matthew 7:1 was ever intended to mean a Christian could not object to bad behavior or choices. In fact, it's quite the opposite. We are to recognize bad behavior and try to save the sinner and steer them in a better direction. Christians are not banned from recognizing poor judgment. They are tasked with correcting it.

But that is not my battle. I'll just say that I understand the Christian convervative perspective. I simply disagree with their methods and reliance on Govt. as a means to an end.
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#3527812 - 01/02/14 05:38 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: KPH]
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So you guys wouldn't care if your son or daughter on their 18 or 21st birthday lit up a joint in front of you? Are you serious?
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#3527814 - 01/02/14 05:39 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Mike Belt]
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I tried it once but i didn't inhale.

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#3527815 - 01/02/14 05:40 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: 7mm08]
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So you guys wouldn't care if your son or daughter on their 18 or 21st birthday lit up a joint in front of you? Are you serious?


Are you saying you'd send yours straight to prison?

Making it legal does not make it right. Our govt. is no where NEAR that righteous. In fact, I'd place it nearer to eternal damnation.

People should make their own choices on what is right in these matters and not look to the most corrupt and perverted group of morons on earth for a hint or guidance on proper behavior.

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#3527824 - 01/02/14 05:47 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Mudbone]
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 Originally Posted By: Mudbone
 Originally Posted By: Mudbone
Would everyone that wants pot to remain illegal vote to turn alcohol illegal?
any?
none?
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#3527828 - 01/02/14 05:48 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: archer19]
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I just wish it was legal to grow your own...to h*ll with having to go buy it from a licensed dealer when you can just grow it in the back yard with the tomato plants.

Have none of you ever experienced ripe tomato euphoria? LoL

Hand me a salt shaker and get the h*ll out of my way....
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#3527829 - 01/02/14 05:49 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Crappie Luck]
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The question was do you want your child lighting up legally on their 18 th birthday? I would be extremely disappointed in mine if I found out he had.

Tell me most of the trash that is into big time drugs didnt start out with pot.
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#3527830 - 01/02/14 05:51 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: 7mm08]
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 Originally Posted By: 7mm08


Tell me most of the trash that is into big time drugs didnt start out with pot.


I would bet they started with alcohol.
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#3527832 - 01/02/14 05:52 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: 7mm08]
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 Originally Posted By: 7mm08
So you guys wouldn't care if your son or daughter on their 18 or 21st birthday lit up a joint in front of you? Are you serious?


Phil you know that's not what's being said here at all. For instance, if one of mine ever smokes a cigarette, (and I'm sure they have) they won't do it at my house. The points are, everyone who wants "drugs" now, gets drugs. If they want to sniff glue - they sniff glue etc.. The point is that this country has gone overboard with laws/tax theft used to protect us from ourselves. It's up to You and I if we get high tonight......nobody else.....same as if we get drunk or sniff glue, etc. Except for our beliefs that it's wrong, and I agree it is, it's ridiculous to see it any differently than throwing a good drunk at home, IMO

I want to be very clear again as some others have... I've worked with some fantastic ppl, who smoked pot. Great employees who's worth to the process was magnificent while working with alcoholics who were hungover and near dud's until 10-12 everyday - then in a hurry to get home in the afternoon so they could booze it up again. IMO, these are decisions we already have to make on our own since pot is all over the place so why give the government $ - the crooked attorneys $ - the crooked judges $ when we could be treating it just like alcohol and keeping the billions in the US to help treat the addicts, support the programs for the worthless etc..
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#3527841 - 01/02/14 05:57 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: 7mm08]
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 Originally Posted By: 7mm08
So you guys wouldn't care if your son or daughter on their 18 or 21st birthday lit up a joint in front of you? Are you serious?


If it was Legal, how is it any different that opening a beer or bottle of wine. (Other than the smoke that would not be allowed in my house)
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#3527845 - 01/02/14 06:00 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: BuckWild]
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 Originally Posted By: BuckWild
I just wish it was legal to grow your own...to h*ll with having to go buy it from a licensed dealer when you can just grow it in the back yard with the tomato plants.

Have none of you ever experienced ripe tomato euphoria? LoL

Hand me a salt shaker and get the h*ll out of my way....

Now that's funny

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#3527853 - 01/02/14 06:04 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: RUGER]
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Pot stocks hit highs too as Colorado legalizes marijuana

If you don't smoke it you can still invest in it!
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#3527856 - 01/02/14 06:06 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: 7mm08]
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 Originally Posted By: 7mm08
The question was do you want your child lighting up legally on their 18 th birthday? I would be extremely disappointed in mine if I found out he had.

Tell me most of the trash that is into big time drugs didnt start out with pot.


They may have started out with pot, or beer or sloe gin who knows?
But the reason they are still into big time drugs is because they are selling to make a big profit or they are addicted.

The primary reason the crack cocaine and meth are so prevalent is because the profit margin is hundreds of times higher that weed. Just having to deal with the bulk of several pounds of weed is a pain. A dealer will make more profit faster if he deals in crack or meth because it is easily transported. Dealer can make big money on a few ounces of powder drugs that he can carry around in his sock. When the feds started putting pressure on the weed dealers back in the 80's, that's when crack cocaine really took off. Plus crack and meth are addictive, that's another plus for dealers. Once they have you hooked you'll be coming back for more.

As for your kid smoking up when they turn 18, that's something you will have to deal with. Once your kids are legal age they will do stuff that you're not going to be happy about, but you still will love them just the same...
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#3527864 - 01/02/14 06:08 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: 7mm08]
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I find this discussion rather hypocritical as over the years I have heard from rather bright folks describe political views that are so conservative that they squeak, folks that rave against trespassers/poachers/speeders/ punks/ etc etc but say sure ...make it legal. My God, do you not realize the social ramifications of legalizing ANOTHER drug other that alcohol and prescription drugs(narcotics) that cause extreme amounts of death and destruction of families, and cost taxpayers tremendous amounts of money, and you want to turn this trash loose on the streets?

We have enough alcoholics and pill heads (legal and illegal) in society now and you want to release a third tier onto society? I will vote no.
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#3527866 - 01/02/14 06:09 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: Woodson223
It's being sold in your neighbor hood right now.It is closer to you than you think.The ones that smoke it now will be the same ones that smoke it if it is legal or not.You would be shocked if you knew who was smoking it that you never thought would.Some of your best friends and people that you work with some of your kinfolks smoke it they just don't smoke it like some of the pot heads do.They might not smoke it every night they might not smoke it every week it might be weeks or even months before they smoke it. You would be really surprised if you new who was.[And no i don't smoke it]


Nope, it would not surprise me at all. You are making the point I was. Most of the people that voted yes DO SMOKE POT ever if they say they don't. Guessing who they are... well it's just a guessing game here. That's why I don't put much stock in what they say about pot because it WILL ALWAYS be pot is good and harmless.

I don't. If it's legal, I still won't but I voted yes. It can be harmful if abused but in many instances it can also be beneficial.
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#3527880 - 01/02/14 06:15 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: 7mm08]
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 Originally Posted By: 7mm08
cost taxpayers tremendous amounts of money, and you want to turn this trash loose on the streets?


a fraction of what is wasted on eradication efforts and incarceration of marijuana "crimes". it's already on the streets and has been for decades.
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#3527885 - 01/02/14 06:18 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: KPH]
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#3527893 - 01/02/14 06:24 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Bowdacious]
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Glaucoma yes , nausea for terminal cancer yes , but 19 yo coming into medical clinics claiming arthritis? It's a huge joke these clinics that hand out prescriptions for it. Almost as bad as docs writing prescriptions for 100 Lortabs a month to Granny because she has knee pain , or some guy with hip pain. TN is covered up with narcotic abuse, do you not think this would be out of control with legalized pot. Buy pot with a prescription and then turn around and sell it to your neighbor or even their kid. "It's just pot"
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#3527895 - 01/02/14 06:25 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: 7mm08]
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With all due respect...legal or not, it's out there and people that are going to smoke it will smoke it. If you think that putting somebody in jail for 20 years because he wanted to sit on his deck, catch a buzz and watch the sun go down is ok then vote no. LoL
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#3527897 - 01/02/14 06:26 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: BuckWild]
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 Originally Posted By: BuckWild
I just wish it was legal to grow your own...to h*ll with having to go buy it from a licensed dealer when you can just grow it in the back yard with the tomato plants.

Have none of you ever experienced ripe tomato euphoria? LoL

Hand me a salt shaker and get the h*ll out of my way....

I'm a sweet corn addict.By the end of winter or beginning of spring I'll start digging around looking in the freezer for some stashed that I've missed. \:\)
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#3527971 - 01/02/14 06:59 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: 7mm08]
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 Originally Posted By: 7mm08
Glaucoma yes , nausea for terminal cancer yes , but 19 yo coming into medical clinics claiming arthritis? It's a huge joke these clinics that hand out prescriptions for it. Almost as bad as docs writing prescriptions for 100 Lortabs a month to Granny because she has knee pain , or some guy with hip pain. TN is covered up with narcotic abuse, do you not think this would be out of control with legalized pot. Buy pot with a prescription and then turn around and sell it to your neighbor or even their kid. "It's just pot"

It also calms the effects of bleeding ulcers. A good friend of mine is trying to push for medical legalization for his grandaughter. Thc has been proven to alleviate symptoms of the disorder she has. It could essentially work as a cure but tn law doesn't allow it to be prescribed in any form. I can't remember the name of what she has but she should be able to have what will work to give her a normal life.
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#3527985 - 01/02/14 07:03 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: KPH]
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I will not lie, I voted yes. However, I voted yes only because it is a losing battle to eliminate it and its use, and it is much safer than alcohol—would much rather have someone stoned driving a car at 10mph than I would a drunk driving 100mph. I have tried it way back in the day and its just not for me, but if someone else wants to do it then I'm okay with it—just tax the crap out of it like they do alcohol.
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#3527986 - 01/02/14 07:04 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: 7mm08]
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 Originally Posted By: 7mm08
Glaucoma yes , nausea for terminal cancer yes , but 19 yo coming into medical clinics claiming arthritis? It's a huge joke these clinics that hand out prescriptions for it. Almost as bad as docs writing prescriptions for 100 Lortabs a month to Granny because she has knee pain , or some guy with hip pain. TN is covered up with narcotic abuse, do you not think this would be out of control with legalized pot. Buy pot with a prescription and then turn around and sell it to your neighbor or even their kid. "It's just pot"
It really is just pot. I believe I am safe to say you have never smoked it. I graduated high school with 100 other kids. I would say that 70 of those kids smoked pot at some time or another. There are probably 3 or 4 of those kids that turned out bad. Something tells me they would have anyway. Don't be afraid of something you know nothing about. IF YOUR KID WANTS TO SMOKE POT THEY WILL. I hate capitalizing like that, but I want you to understand what I am saying.

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#3527987 - 01/02/14 07:04 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: WestTn Huntin'man]
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I think the "legalize it" crowd would be a lot more credible if they would quit BS-ing us with all the "benefits" and "its harmless" nonsense.

Most of the medical "benefits" are available by prescription through other drugs. A very small % of medical pot users gain any kind of benefit that is exclusively available from pot.

That leaves the recreational aspect which IMO drives 80% of the passion behind legalizing it.

The other 20% of advocates are looking at the dollars.
1. Potential business or investment
2. Tax source and more government control
3. Smaller government and more liberty in our personal lives and lower taxes.


Edited by fishboy1 (01/02/14 07:05 PM)
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#3527998 - 01/02/14 07:10 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: 7mm08]
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 Originally Posted By: 7mm08
I find this discussion rather hypocritical as over the years I have heard from rather bright folks describe political views that are so conservative that they squeak, folks that rave against trespassers/poachers/speeders/ punks/ etc etc but say sure ...make it legal. My God, do you not realize the social ramifications of legalizing ANOTHER drug other that alcohol and prescription drugs(narcotics) that cause extreme amounts of death and destruction of families, and cost taxpayers tremendous amounts of money, and you want to turn this trash loose on the streets?

We have enough alcoholics and pill heads (legal and illegal) in society now and you want to release a third tier onto society? I will vote no.


And this would be a non smoker

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#3527999 - 01/02/14 07:10 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: fishboy1]
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 Originally Posted By: fishboy1
I think the "legalize it" crowd would be a lot more credible if they would quit BS-ing us with all the "benefits" and "its harmless" nonsense.

Most of the medical "benefits" are available by prescription through other drugs. A very small % of medical pot users gain any kind of benefit that is exclusively available from pot.

That leaves the recreational aspect which IMO drives 80% of the passion behind legalizing it.

The other 20% of advocates are looking at the dollars.
1. Potential business or investment
2. Tax source and more government control
3. Smaller government and more liberty in our personal lives and lower taxes.
It is apparent, by your quotes below your name, that you are ultra right wing. Is it starting to bother you that conservatives are starting to relax and let people be themselves? Conservatives are more interested in fiscal responsibility than demanding their opinion be the opinion of everyone. To be honest, it is ignorant to think only your way of life is best for everyone.

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#3528033 - 01/02/14 07:21 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: fishboy1]
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 Originally Posted By: fishboy1
I think the "legalize it" crowd would be a lot more credible if they would quit BS-ing us with all the "benefits" and "its harmless" nonsense.

Most of the medical "benefits" are available by prescription through other drugs. A very small % of medical pot users gain any kind of benefit that is exclusively available from pot.

That leaves the recreational aspect which IMO drives 80% of the passion behind legalizing it.

The other 20% of advocates are looking at the dollars.
1. Potential business or investment
2. Tax source and more government control
3. Smaller government and more liberty in our personal lives and lower taxes.


The majority of the Yes crowd didn't go there.. Read up then do your math. Most of the Yes crowd here are likely non-pot users, I dang sure don't smoke it.

As far as advocates for dollars, (which is a heck of a lot higher % than your guesstimate) you're dang right.. When it comes to government and the way ours is run - the lack of good sense it makes to keep pot illegal while leaving alcohol and other substances legal - the billions of $ now going to Mexico and places that could stay here - the "feel good laws" that break the tax bank and keep officers busy looking for idiots only hurting themselves when they could be spending their time on crimes where ppl are hurting someone besides themselves......Yep you've found that crowd here. I call it the "head full of common sense crowd" \:\)
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#3528081 - 01/02/14 07:39 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: sgtwebb1]
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 Originally Posted By: sgtwebb1
 Originally Posted By: Mike Belt
...and for those that only rely on what they read or hear...as far as I know smoking pot is no more addictive than having a glass of orange juice for breakfast.


Yep.
And the bs about it being a "gateway drug" it's government propaganda to prop up the"war on drugs".
Without the marijuana industry being illegal, the war on drugs would fold, along with untold billions of dollars that support the effort.


This^

The hypocrisy in this thread is astounding. I voted yes. If anyone thinks that's proof that I smoke weed then put your money where your mouth is. I will meet you at the hospital and take a drug test. I got $5k that says I pass.
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#3528119 - 01/02/14 07:51 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: 7mm08]
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 Originally Posted By: 7mm08
The question was do you want your child lighting up legally on their 18 th birthday? I would be extremely disappointed in mine if I found out he had.

Tell me most of the trash that is into big time drugs didnt start out with pot.


I used to work in Law enforcement and I agree 100% it truly is a gateway drug. I've seen what it does to kids and families. I for one don't want it becoming as common as cigarettes and making it just that much easier for my daughter or your kids to get some from the neighbors top drawer or getting their 18 y/o buddy to buy them some at the gas station.
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#3528131 - 01/02/14 07:55 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: trealtree]
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 Originally Posted By: trealtree
making it just that much easier for my daughter or your kids to get some


it can't get much easier than it is now.
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#3528149 - 01/02/14 08:01 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: stik]
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I'm sorry - I don't buy the gateway crap at all... I know MANY a high-school and college pot smoker who've been very successful in life and aren't druggies. If your mindset is to be a druggie - you'll buy it now illegally and do your thing. Making it legal won't change the # of ppl using, IMO
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#3528161 - 01/02/14 08:06 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: stik]
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 Originally Posted By: trealtree
making it just that much easier for my daughter or your kids to get some


it can't get much easier than it is now.


Can you buy it at Krogers? Wal mart? Of the shelf at a gas station? I don't know of anyone or anywhere I could go and buy it from.
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#3528170 - 01/02/14 08:09 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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I'm sorry - I don't buy the gateway crap at all... I know MANY a high-school and college pot smoker who've been very successful in life and aren't druggies. If your mindset is to be a druggie - you'll buy it now illegally and do your thing. Making it legal won't change the # of ppl using, IMO


It is partially mindset, but it is mostly addiction. Anything that alters your mental state of mind is addictive.
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#3528173 - 01/02/14 08:10 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: KPH]
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I used to smoke "pot" when I was growing up but it was either pot or a big boy job so I chose the job instead! I see some good use in it and bad use. I single handedly watched my mom since I was 8 die from breast cancer and when it got to its worst stages weed was the only thing that would ease her pain and allow her to eat and keep what she ate down. So I'm all for it for medical use. I'd much rather have someone drive under the influence of pot than drinking! But when it does get legalized it's just a matter of when how are you going to explain it to your kids?
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#3528174 - 01/02/14 08:10 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: trealtree]
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 Originally Posted By: trealtree
 Originally Posted By: stik
 Originally Posted By: trealtree
making it just that much easier for my daughter or your kids to get some


it can't get much easier than it is now.


Can you buy it at Krogers? Wal mart? Of the shelf at a gas station? I don't know of anyone or anywhere I could go and buy it from.


I'm sure you know somebody you just don't know you know somebody ;\) just go to the nearest high school.
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#3528175 - 01/02/14 08:11 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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 Originally Posted By: Kimber45
I'm sorry - I don't buy the gateway crap at all... I know MANY a high-school and college pot smoker who've been very successful in life and aren't druggies. If your mindset is to be a druggie - you'll buy it now illegally and do your thing. Making it legal won't change the # of ppl using, IMO
I agree 100%. The gateway excuse is crap. Kids that will try hard drugs have problems far beyond smoking pot. I am educated and successful, as are my friends, and we smoked our fair share of pot in the past.

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#3528178 - 01/02/14 08:12 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: trealtree]
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 Originally Posted By: trealtree
 Originally Posted By: Kimber45
I'm sorry - I don't buy the gateway crap at all... I know MANY a high-school and college pot smoker who've been very successful in life and aren't druggies. If your mindset is to be a druggie - you'll buy it now illegally and do your thing. Making it legal won't change the # of ppl using, IMO


It is partially mindset, but it is mostly addiction. Anything that alters your mental state of mind is addictive.
Marijuana is not addictive, period!

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#3528181 - 01/02/14 08:13 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: stik]
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 Originally Posted By: stik
 Originally Posted By: trealtree
 Originally Posted By: stik
 Originally Posted By: trealtree
making it just that much easier for my daughter or your kids to get some


it can't get much easier than it is now.


Can you buy it at Krogers? Wal mart? Of the shelf at a gas station? I don't know of anyone or anywhere I could go and buy it from.


I'm sure you know somebody you just don't know you know somebody ;\)


Exactly my point. It's illegal and it is more difficult to get for the kids/ people that are not allowed to / don't want to be associated with people that do drugs.
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#3528182 - 01/02/14 08:13 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: trealtree]
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 Originally Posted By: trealtree
 Originally Posted By: stik
 Originally Posted By: trealtree
making it just that much easier for my daughter or your kids to get some


it can't get much easier than it is now.


Can you buy it at Krogers? Wal mart? Of the shelf at a gas station? I don't know of anyone or anywhere I could go and buy it from.


I've been here 4 1/2 years and I know no one to buy it from. I guess I hang around the wrong people.
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#3528189 - 01/02/14 08:15 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: stik]
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 Originally Posted By: stik
 Originally Posted By: trealtree
making it just that much easier for my daughter or your kids to get some


it can't get much easier than it is now.


It's on every street corner and every school .

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#3528190 - 01/02/14 08:15 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: trealtree]
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 Originally Posted By: trealtree
 Originally Posted By: stik
 Originally Posted By: trealtree
 Originally Posted By: stik
 Originally Posted By: trealtree
making it just that much easier for my daughter or your kids to get some


it can't get much easier than it is now.


Can you buy it at Krogers? Wal mart? Of the shelf at a gas station? I don't know of anyone or anywhere I could go and buy it from.


I'm sure you know somebody you just don't know you know somebody ;\)


Exactly my point. It's illegal and it is more difficult to get for the kids/ people that are not allowed to / don't want to be associated with people that do drugs.


I don't buy into that at all. those that are will and those that aren't won't. legal or not it's not hard to get. at least in the regulated stores ID and age verification would be required.
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#3528192 - 01/02/14 08:17 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: stik]
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[code][/code]And that would help because no kids can now get alcohol. LOL

Edited by SilverFox (01/02/14 08:24 PM)
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#3528197 - 01/02/14 08:19 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: trealtree]
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 Originally Posted By: Kimber45
I'm sorry - I don't buy the gateway crap at all... I know MANY a high-school and college pot smoker who've been very successful in life and aren't druggies. If your mindset is to be a druggie - you'll buy it now illegally and do your thing. Making it legal won't change the # of ppl using, IMO


It is partially mindset, but it is mostly addiction. Anything that alters your mental state of mind is addictive.


I don't disagree about addictive qualities - comparable to tobacco and even over-eating to a point of obesity and all the diseases that are associated.. I don't fear a lot these days (beyond the final judgement) have seen too much in my life, but most of all beyond in this life on earth I fear government control - and where it's possibly headed.... Honestly there are SO many dangerous things we do, all things that could easily fall into a category of governed control....things that we do and get hurt doing....things we should be in control of. I fear our nation becoming a nation of ppl no longer having to decide for themselves what's right and what's wrong because big brother will have that all lined out for us... There are certain things we should be free to do - self governing in all regards of what physically affects only US should be up to only US, IMO. If this nation continues to be dumb'd down via a continuation of government control, I get sick at the thought of what it will be like in 20 more years.
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#3528213 - 01/02/14 08:26 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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I'll admit it. I occasionally smoke. I'm 51 years old, I'm a journeyman plumber that makes decent money. I drink beer every night. I'll be at work tomorrow morning with a clear head and my employer will know he can count on me. Does this make me bad?
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#3528216 - 01/02/14 08:29 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: 94user]
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I'll admit it. I occasionally smoke. I'm 51 years old, I'm a journeyman plumber that makes decent money. I drink beer every night. I'll be at work tomorrow morning with a clear head and my employer will know he can count on me. Does this make me bad?


No Sir not at all
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#3528220 - 01/02/14 08:31 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: 94user]
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 Originally Posted By: 94user
I'll admit it. I occasionally smoke. I'm 51 years old, I'm a journeyman plumber that makes decent money. I drink beer every night. I'll be at work tomorrow morning with a clear head and my employer will know he can count on me. Does this make me bad?


No, but someone will have the need to feel superior and say yes.
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#3528232 - 01/02/14 08:38 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: chunkandwind]
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#3528234 - 01/02/14 08:39 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: 94user]
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 Originally Posted By: 94user
I'll admit it. I occasionally smoke. I'm 51 years old, I'm a journeyman plumber that makes decent money. I drink beer every night. I'll be at work tomorrow morning with a clear head and my employer will know he can count on me. Does this make me bad?


I don't think it makes you a bad person, I know that some people can still properly function at work and smoke at home.( depending on what type of work) I do feel that you would be a bad influence on a young impressionable kid though. No offense.
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#3528238 - 01/02/14 08:42 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: trealtree]
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I'm on the fence.

On one hand, I understand why people would vote no. People who smoke pot are seen as lazy, unmotivated and slackers. If pot were legalized, there's a possibility there could still be a black market for pot. And there will be people who will smoke when driving, smoke inside the house with children, etc. And there will be people who will want to do nothing but sit around and smoke pot all day. And it's believed that if people do pot, they might move on to other drugs, like meth, coke, or heroin.

On the other hand, I understand the people who want it legalized. As bad as pot is, at least it's derived from a plant...unlike meth. People have heard of "mean drunks", but not of many "mean potheads". Alcohol was illegal at one time, but it became legal, and was taxed...and now people buy all kinds of booze for New Year's Eve, 4th of July,and Memorial Day parties. Alcohol is also addictive...if it wasn't, why are there Alcoholics Anonymous groups? One of my prosecutors from the Shelby County Drug Court told me that pot is not really an addictive drug, it is more of a "lazy" drug. But some people will be lazy regardless of whether they smoke pot of not.

So...I don't know. I've never smoked pot. I don't even smoke. I've been around people who have smoked pot, and I don't remember having a bad experience with them. I've been offered pot, and they've been respectful when I declined. I have, however, been around a couple (censored) drunks...which was not fun.

The challenge is to make it legal without infringing on people's rights. Not everyone will be happy.
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#3528244 - 01/02/14 08:45 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: chunkandwind]
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 Originally Posted By: chunkandwind
 Originally Posted By: 94user
I'll admit it. I occasionally smoke. I'm 51 years old, I'm a journeyman plumber that makes decent money. I drink beer every night. I'll be at work tomorrow morning with a clear head and my employer will know he can count on me. Does this make me bad?


No, but someone will have the need to feel superior and say yes.

That is not what I'm looking for. I work mainly construction so I see a bunch of folk that abuse a lot . I'm saying that it can be used without being abused. Same with alcohol. I thought this thread needed some enlightenment. Don't stereotype all weed smokers or all drinkers.


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#3528248 - 01/02/14 08:47 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: 94user]
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I knew you smoked pot. It says "User" right in your name

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#3528252 - 01/02/14 08:48 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: stik]
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 Originally Posted By: stik
 Originally Posted By: trealtree
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 Originally Posted By: trealtree
 Originally Posted By: stik
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making it just that much easier for my daughter or your kids to get some


it can't get much easier than it is now.


Can you buy it at Krogers? Wal mart? Of the shelf at a gas station? I don't know of anyone or anywhere I could go and buy it from.


I'm sure you know somebody you just don't know you know somebody ;\)


Exactly my point. It's illegal and it is more difficult to get for the kids/ people that are not allowed to / don't want to be associated with people that do drugs.


I don't buy into that at all. those that are will and those that aren't won't. legal or not it's not hard to get. at least in the regulated stores ID and age verification would be required.
I call BS.... It's illegal for someone under 21 to buy alcohol. They buy it everyday tho. It's illegal for someone under 18 to buy tobacco, but they buy it everyday. It cannot and will not be regulated......
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#3528255 - 01/02/14 08:49 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: moondawg]
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 Originally Posted By: moondawg
And there will be people who will smoke when driving, smoke inside the house with children, etc. And there will be people who will want to do nothing but sit around and smoke pot all day.





no more so than now.
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#3528260 - 01/02/14 08:50 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
I knew you smoked pot. It says "User" right in your name

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#3528261 - 01/02/14 08:52 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: stik]
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Serious question here... What feeling do you get from smoking pot when you do it alone... Like not while drinking.
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#3528262 - 01/02/14 08:52 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
 Originally Posted By: Mudbone
 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
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I voted no but agree with Crappie's stance.

I don't think pot should be illegal from a Federal standpoint but if a local jurisdiction wants to legalize it fine.

The problem comes when the RESPONSIBILITY is put on other peoples shoulders.
You use drugs, the ENTIRE package of responsibilities should lie squarely on you and nobody else. No tax dollars for rehab. No




tax dollars for enforcement, no tax dollars for healthcare issues, no subsidized housing, unemployment, food, etc....
The local government should get ZERO outside funds as well.
Doing drugs is a LUXURY and INDULGENCE that you alone should pay for in any possible sense.

Its easy to indulge in bad behavior if somebody else feels the pain or gets the bill.

Its similar to riding a motorcycle without a helmet. You SHOULD be allowed to, BUT you also should also be completely cut off from any public funds for medical treatment or care if you get in an accident. You want to take the risk, you take the responsibility.




The same people that support drugs WANT the help they can get FREE when they over do it.

Take that support away and watch them die off like they did all though out history until 50 years ago when the govt stepped in to support them and save them for free.

That will never happen and you of all people should know it.


Yes it will and it's coming fast.

We're nearing 20 TRILLION in debt. This country is BROKE!!!
There is going to be some painful and very hard times coming. Those addicted to drugs, booze or whatever have no future when the money dries up. They are living on "borrowed time" - Literally.

Funding for drug addicts will as short lived as they are.

Worry about preparing yourself and your family for the economic tsunami coming and let those people pick at their faces in the mirror. They'll get theirs soon enough.



when that happens we'll have a target rich environment...

I said no. Nothing, absolutely nothing good can come from legalizing pot.

Drug dealers should get the death penalty. They're dispensing death. Nothing more, nothing less.
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#3528263 - 01/02/14 08:53 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: 94user]
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The way I see it weed isn't a gateway drug. If your going to do drugs your going to do drugs. It's all about who you hang around and with me and my friends it was about trying new things and wondering what it was like. Either way people are going to get there hands on it whether it's from dealers or pulling a hey mr. At a gas station. I work in the public and people walk around memphis smoking blunts all day long being illegal isnt stopping anything
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#3528265 - 01/02/14 08:53 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: stik]
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 Originally Posted By: stik
 Originally Posted By: moondawg
And there will be people who will smoke when driving, smoke inside the house with children, etc. And there will be people who will want to do nothing but sit around and smoke pot all day.





no more so than now.

This is truth. If you think not you have no experience around users.
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#3528267 - 01/02/14 08:54 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: stik]
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And there will be people who will smoke when driving, smoke inside the house with children, etc. And there will be people who will want to do nothing but sit around and smoke pot all day.





no more so than now.


True. Just like there are people who drink and drive, get drunk with kids in the house. Just like there are people who don't want to do anything but drink all day.

I wasn't saying that the pot smokers are the only ones who that. I was just thinking with the mindset of the people who are against legalizing it.
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#3528271 - 01/02/14 08:55 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: moondawg]
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I have been aroumd it a lot from my days working construction but always walked away without hitting..I have a lot of friends I know smoke it but they don't around there kids or anybody else they just sneak outside get a hit or 2 and go to bed..3 of my feiends that smoke own there own bussiness and drive nice cars and have big houses so its not just the trailer park guys smoking lol.. pot smokerz are everywhere

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#3528278 - 01/02/14 08:59 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Wildcat]
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The real answer... No... Some states have made it legal but by federal law... No... Still illegal.
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#3528303 - 01/02/14 09:11 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: SilverFox]
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 Originally Posted By: SilverFox
Serious question here... What feeling do you get from smoking pot when you do it alone... Like not while drinking.


More laid back and less disoriented I guess. Like I said I occasionally smoke. Best answer I can give.
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#3528309 - 01/02/14 09:16 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: gasman]
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 Originally Posted By: gasman
 Originally Posted By: stik
 Originally Posted By: trealtree
[quote=stik][quote=trealtree][quote=stik][quote=trealtree] making it just that much easier for my daughter or your kids to get some


it can't get much easier than it is now.


Can you buy it at Krogers? Wal mart? Of the shelf at a gas station? I don't know of anyone or anywhere I could go and buy it from.



I seen more drugs of all kinds when I was in school than I ever did after I got out. I've seen kids snort pills right off the desk and the teacher teaching class. It's not that hard to get when our kids are at school
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#3528321 - 01/02/14 09:21 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: fishboy1]
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 Originally Posted By: fishboy1
I think the "legalize it" crowd would be a lot more credible if they would quit BS-ing us with all the "benefits" and "its harmless" nonsense.

Most of the medical "benefits" are available by prescription through other drugs. A very small % of medical pot users gain any kind of benefit that is exclusively available from pot.

That leaves the recreational aspect which IMO drives 80% of the passion behind legalizing it.

The other 20% of advocates are looking at the dollars.
1. Potential business or investment
2. Tax source and more government control
3. Smaller government and more liberty in our personal lives and lower taxes.


Excellent post.

And I'll add, "but alcohol... fill in the blank"
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#3528325 - 01/02/14 09:23 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Jcalder]
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I think they should legalize it federally and that the President should make an nationally televised announcement that goes something like this -

"We are legalizing the sale of pot nationwide. We are going to heavily tax it to pay for the big government that you all love so much. If you use it, you are on your own and you will have to deal with the consequences. If you hurt someone in the process of using it, including your children, you will be held fully responsible. You will receive no taxpayer-funded assistance if you can't handle it or you get yourself in a bad situation because of it. Good luck. Most of you are going to need it. Good night and God Bless America."
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#3528326 - 01/02/14 09:23 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: gator-n-buck]
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 Originally Posted By: gator-n-buck
The real answer... No... Some states have made it legal but by federal law... No... Still illegal.


That's your real answer not The real answer \:\)
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#3528327 - 01/02/14 09:24 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: stik]
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 Originally Posted By: stik
 Originally Posted By: trealtree
making it just that much easier for my daughter or your kids to get some


it can't get much easier than it is now.


Sounds like you're hanging out with some rotten eggs to me. I know I could probably go to the hood or to the riff raff hotel parking lot to find some but other than that, there is no one I claim to be a friend that smokes it.
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#3528328 - 01/02/14 09:24 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Vermin93]
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I think they should legalize it federally and that the President should make an nationally televised announcement that goes something like this -

"We are legalizing the sale of pot nationwide. We are going to heavily tax it to pay for the big government that you all love so much. If you use it, you are on your own and you will have to deal with the consequences. If you hurt someone in the process of using it, including your children, you will be held fully responsible. You will receive no taxpayer-funded assistance if you can't handle it or you get yourself in a bad situation because of it. Good luck. Most of you are going to need it. Good night and God Bless America."


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#3528334 - 01/02/14 09:28 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: trealtree]
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The question was do you want your child lighting up legally on their 18 th birthday? I would be extremely disappointed in mine if I found out he had.

Tell me most of the trash that is into big time drugs didnt start out with pot.


I used to work in Law enforcement and I agree 100% it truly is a gateway drug. I've seen what it does to kids and families. I for one don't want it becoming as common as cigarettes and making it just that much easier for my daughter or your kids to get some from the neighbors top drawer or getting their 18 y/o buddy to buy them some at the gas station.


I do think alcohol is probably the first 'mind altering substance' used but then comes pot, then crack/coke then heroin.

I used to smoke it when I was young ans stupid and I watched many friends go from pot to coke. I was always afraid of coke so I stopped at pot.

I quit because the crowd got seedier and seedier. I found out I was better than that.
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#3528355 - 01/02/14 09:37 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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 Originally Posted By: Pic IN the Casa
 Originally Posted By: trealtree
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The question was do you want your child lighting up legally on their 18 th birthday? I would be extremely disappointed in mine if I found out he had.

Tell me most of the trash that is into big time drugs didnt start out with pot.


I used to work in Law enforcement and I agree 100% it truly is a gateway drug. I've seen what it does to kids and families. I for one don't want it becoming as common as cigarettes and making it just that much easier for my daughter or your kids to get some from the neighbors top drawer or getting their 18 y/o buddy to buy them some at the gas station.


I do think alcohol is probably the first 'mind altering substance' used but then comes pot, then crack/coke then heroin.

I used to smoke it when I was young ans stupid and I watched many friends go from pot to coke. I was always afraid of coke so I stopped at pot.

I quit because the crowd got seedier and seedier. I found out I was better than that.


Not everyone that smokes it is bad. Some go off and do dumb things but odds are that they would of done them anyways. You would be surprised who smokes. Some folks don't like telling their business especially to people against it like you.

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#3528360 - 01/02/14 09:40 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Jcalder]
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 Originally Posted By: gasman
 Originally Posted By: stik
 Originally Posted By: trealtree
[quote=stik][quote=trealtree][quote=stik][quote=trealtree] making it just that much easier for my daughter or your kids to get some


it can't get much easier than it is now.


Can you buy it at Krogers? Wal mart? Of the shelf at a gas station? I don't know of anyone or anywhere I could go and buy it from.




I seen more drugs of all kinds when I was in school than I ever did after I got out. I've seen kids snort pills right off the desk and the teacher teaching class. It's not that hard to get when our kids are at school


And it was the same way when I was in school. But marijuana is illegal. If they are legalized the stigma of it being illegal will be gone and the drug will become more common and used by more kids than ever before. Some of those kids will stop with pot. A lot of them will go on to ruin their life trying harder and more addictive drugs, just because they thought " if I was 18 it would be ok for me to smoke weed" why not try it earlier.

A lot of kids, me included drank alcohol only because we saw other older people and adults do it and they had it in there homes and it was easily accessible advertised on tv and made to look socially cool. That same thing will happen in Colorado or other states where weed becomes legal.
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#3528362 - 01/02/14 09:42 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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BTW- pot didn't make me laid back it made me stupid and worthless. It never 'enhanced' my mind or opened my eyes to anything. I blew money I should have saved and became an embarrassment to my family.
The last night I got f-ed up with my friends I watched two of them leave a party in a care in front of us burn to death in a wreck after a night of pot smoking. They were screaming bloody murder but no one could get to the car b/c of flames. So I quit.

We thought we weren't hurting anyone either.

I'm not judging anyone on here, that's just what it did to me and the group I hung out with way back when.
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#3528373 - 01/02/14 09:49 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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BTW- pot didn't make me laid back it made me stupid and worthless. It never 'enhanced' my mind or opened my eyes to anything. I blew money I should have saved and became an embarrassment to my family.
The last night I got f-ed up with my friends I watched two of them leave a party in a care in front of us burn to death in a wreck after a night of pot smoking. They were screaming bloody murder but no one could get to the car b/c of flames. So I quit.

We thought we weren't hurting anyone either.

I'm not judging anyone on here, that's just what it did to me and the group I hung out with way back when.


Terribly sad story..

I've read where a lot of people say that it does not effect them working or driving after the " high has gone away" but if you would do some medical research you would find out that the effects of marijuana primarily "depth perception" and "reaction" time are still effected up to 3 days after use.
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#3528376 - 01/02/14 09:51 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: trealtree]
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And it was the same way when I was in school. But marijuana is illegal. If they are legalized the stigma of it being illegal will be gone and the drug will become more common and used by more kids than ever before. Some of those kids will stop with pot. A lot of them will go on to ruin their life trying harder and more addictive drugs, just because they thought " if I was 18 it would be ok for me to smoke weed" why not try it earlier.

A lot of kids, me included drank alcohol only because we saw other older people and adults do it and they had it in there homes and it was easily accessible advertised on tv and made to look socially cool. That same thing will happen in Colorado or other states where weed becomes legal.


just like those that said there would be blood in the streets wild west shootouts when guns are carried. I don't believe that will happen any more than it does now.
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#3528377 - 01/02/14 09:52 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: stik]
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Smoke it if you want too. But your not doing yourself any good killing brain cells.
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#3528380 - 01/02/14 09:55 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Inkstainz]
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 Originally Posted By: Inkstainz
 Originally Posted By: Pic IN the Casa
 Originally Posted By: trealtree
 Originally Posted By: 7mm08
The question was do you want your child lighting up legally on their 18 th birthday? I would be extremely disappointed in mine if I found out he had.

Tell me most of the trash that is into big time drugs didnt start out with pot.


I used to work in Law enforcement and I agree 100% it truly is a gateway drug. I've seen what it does to kids and families. I for one don't want it becoming as common as cigarettes and making it just that much easier for my daughter or your kids to get some from the neighbors top drawer or getting their 18 y/o buddy to buy them some at the gas station.


I do think alcohol is probably the first 'mind altering substance' used but then comes pot, then crack/coke then heroin.

I used to smoke it when I was young ans stupid and I watched many friends go from pot to coke. I was always afraid of coke so I stopped at pot.

I quit because the crowd got seedier and seedier. I found out I was better than that.


Not everyone that smokes it is bad. Some go off and do dumb things but odds are that they would of done them anyways. You would be surprised who smokes. Some folks don't like telling their business especially to people against it like you.


So you're either saying they're not proud of this hobby or they're possibly doing something against the law.
I can't wait for the next poaching thread to pop up and see how many on here that don't tell their business call a poacher trash or thug. All the while have a nickel bag waiting for them on the corner.
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#3528381 - 01/02/14 09:56 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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Dope smokers are in the same class as homosexuals are here it seems. Both are scum. Good thing I only never occasionally smoke poles.
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#3528393 - 01/02/14 10:05 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: 94user]
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I'm sure there are some good folks that smoke pot. But the fact remains it's illegal. In my 47 years on earth it's been my experience that 85% of people I knew/know that smoke it are apathetic slackers that blame their employer for their entry level pay rather than their own life choices. This is the type of person I wouldn't allow in my car or my house for any reason.
Another 10% are liberal professors that don't worry about getting fired because of tenure. Unfortunately I have to deal with these people in my profession. They're all old hippies that go to fru-fru parties and sip wine, pass a bowl and look down their noses at anyone that disagrees with them.
And 5% are well functioning folks that smoke it occasionally.
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#3528399 - 01/02/14 10:11 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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I'm curious if anyone that is against the legalization of marijuana thinks that alcohol should be illegal.
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#3528411 - 01/02/14 10:25 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: JRE]
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 Originally Posted By: JRE
I'm curious if anyone that is against the legalization of marijuana thinks that alcohol should be illegal.


This nation would be far better off without it. That toothpaste is so far out of the tube at this point, though, that it's no longer a practical or realistic option to discuss.
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#3528412 - 01/02/14 10:27 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: JRE]
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Anybody that takes a drink of moonshine is no different than the toker.
Again , I voted yes.
Moonshine illegal, pot illegal.
People brew it, people drink it.
People grow it, people smoke it.

Legal or illegal the merry is still gonna go round.



Edited by archer19 (01/02/14 10:29 PM)
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#3528414 - 01/02/14 10:28 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: JRE]
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 Originally Posted By: JRE
I'm curious if anyone that is against the legalization of marijuana thinks that alcohol should be illegal.



Wouldn't bother me one bit if it was illegal also along with tobacco... No one can deny the fact that all these habits cause illness or bodily harm in some way
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#3528418 - 01/02/14 10:30 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Bambi Buster]
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#3528419 - 01/02/14 10:31 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Eric Kilby]
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 Originally Posted By: Eric Kilby
 Originally Posted By: JRE
I'm curious if anyone that is against the legalization of marijuana thinks that alcohol should be illegal.



Wouldn't bother me one bit if it was illegal also along with tobacco... No one can deny the fact that all these habits cause illness or bodily harm in some way


Do you drink soft drinks, coffee, eat red meat.
At what point do you draw the line of what should be illegal because it causes bodily harm??


Edited by archer19 (01/02/14 10:31 PM)
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#3528428 - 01/02/14 10:39 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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I'm sure there are some good folks that smoke pot. But the fact remains it's illegal. In my 47 years on earth it's been my experience that 85% of people I knew/know that smoke it are apathetic slackers that blame their employer for their entry level pay rather than their own life choices. This is the type of person I wouldn't allow in my car or my house for any reason.
Another 10% are liberal professors that don't worry about getting fired because of tenure. Unfortunately I have to deal with these people in my profession. They're all old hippies that go to fru-fru parties and sip wine, pass a bowl and look down their noses at anyone that disagrees with them.
And 5% are well functioning folks that smoke it occasionally.



You are just another person throwing out some random percentages that has no idea what you are talking about. You seriously need to stop being so self-righteous. I have read posts from you on too many threads that make you a hypocrite. That pertains to you claiming to be a man of God. Unless someone that is gay, or smokes weed is ruining your life, I recommend you mind your own business. Your arguments are based on nothing but your own arrogance. Do you know you are a small minority these days?

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#3528472 - 01/02/14 11:21 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: RUGER]
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I voted no. And I voted around 12:30 this afternoon. I voted no because of Bryan. I met Bryan about 4 years ago. Bryan came to a birthday party that some friends of mine had thrown for one of their sons. Brian's mother is the sister to one of my very best friends. Brian and I spent a little time making small talk just talking about what ever. As I have aged I have made an effort to get to know kids more than I did when I was younger. I like to know what they are interested in and what they like doing. Brian was one of those kids that you could observe from the sidelines and realize that he was a lost kid. Brian came from a terribly dysfunctional family. His parents divorced when he was young. His mother was and still is just a hateful person. Brian got his start with marijuana. Bryan dropped out of high school. Then he graduated to LSD and any other thing he could get his hands on. He stole from his friends, he stole from his family to feed his habit.

We got a call one day that Brian had been taken to the hospital by ambulance. He was rushed into surgery where the surgeons attempted to repair his heart. I think Bryan was 17 at this point. The surgeons were successful with the surgery and Bryan was later released and entered rehab. Bryan stayed in rehab either 2 or 3 weeks and was released. About 6 months later Bryan had a relapse and was back in the hospital with severe heart issues. The surgeons refused to do any thing additional as Bryan had started using drugs again. Bryan slowly recovered and came home.

I saw Brian a few months later. We had a swimming party and he and his mom were invited. I talked to Bryan a little more, asked him what he was up to, asked him how he was feeling. Bryan looked terrible. My heart went out to him. I would look into Bryans eyes and there was nothing there. No feeling, no life, just nothing. Just a poor poor kid that was slowly rotting away to nothing.

Fall came and Bryans mother was preparing to leave the house to go to her job. Bryan was asleep as she entered his bedroom. She moved his hair to the side and kissed him on the forehead and told him she loved him and to have a good day. Bryan said "mom I love you too". When Bryans mom got home that evening at around 6:15. She went to check on Bryan. At the tender age of 18. Bryan was dead of an overdose.

The first line of this post said that I voted no at 12:30 this afternoon. Tonight our home phone rang at around 7:05. My wife's mother was calling to say that my wife's 53 year old cousin named Michelle had died. Michelle had a long history of drug abuse. Michelle would disappear for days at a time. Michelle had graduated to a dependence on prescription medications. Michelle had a husband and two grown children. Michelle got her start with marijuana.

Bryan and Michelle are why I voted no.
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#3528476 - 01/02/14 11:24 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: MrWhitetail
 Originally Posted By: Pic IN the Casa
I'm sure there are some good folks that smoke pot. But the fact remains it's illegal. In my 47 years on earth it's been my experience that 85% of people I knew/know that smoke it are apathetic slackers that blame their employer for their entry level pay rather than their own life choices. This is the type of person I wouldn't allow in my car or my house for any reason.
Another 10% are liberal professors that don't worry about getting fired because of tenure. Unfortunately I have to deal with these people in my profession. They're all old hippies that go to fru-fru parties and sip wine, pass a bowl and look down their noses at anyone that disagrees with them.
And 5% are well functioning folks that smoke it occasionally.



You are just another person throwing out some random percentages that has no idea what you are talking about. You seriously need to stop being so self-righteous. I have read posts from you on too many threads that make you a hypocrite. That pertains to you claiming to be a man of God. Unless someone that is gay, or smokes weed is ruining your life, I recommend you mind your own business. Your arguments are based on nothing but your own arrogance. Do you know you are a small minority these days?


A rather brash response and attitude for a spike with all of 35 posts.
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#3528479 - 01/02/14 11:26 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Rob R.]
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 Originally Posted By: Rob R.
I voted no. And I voted around 12:30 this afternoon. I voted no because of Bryan. I met Bryan about 4 years ago. Bryan came to a birthday party that some friends of mine had thrown for one of their sons. Brian's mother is the sister to one of my very best friends. Brian and I spent a little time making small talk just talking about what ever. As I have aged I have made an effort to get to know kids more than I did when I was younger. I like to know what they are interested in and what they like doing. Brian was one of those kids that you could observe from the sidelines and realize that he was a lost kid. Brian came from a terribly dysfunctional family. His parents divorced when he was young. His mother was and still is just a hateful person. Brian got his start with marijuana. Bryan dropped out of high school. Then he graduated to LSD and any other thing he could get his hands on. He stole from his friends, he stole from his family to feed his habit.

We got a call one day that Brian had been taken to the hospital by ambulance. He was rushed into surgery where the surgeons attempted to repair his heart. I think Bryan was 17 at this point. The surgeons were successful with the surgery and Bryan was later released and entered rehab. Bryan stayed in rehab either 2 or 3 weeks and was released. About 6 months later Bryan had a relapse and was back in the hospital with severe heart issues. The surgeons refused to do any thing additional as Bryan had started using drugs again. Bryan slowly recovered and came home.

I saw Brian a few months later. We had a swimming party and he and his mom were invited. I talked to Bryan a little more, asked him what he was up to, asked him how he was feeling. Bryan looked terrible. My heart went out to him. I would look into Bryans eyes and there was nothing there. No feeling, no life, just nothing. Just a poor poor kid that was slowly rotting away to nothing.

Fall came and Bryans mother was preparing to leave the house to go to her job. Bryan was asleep as she entered his bedroom. She moved his hair to the side and kissed him on the forehead and told him she loved him and to have a good day. Bryan said "mom I love you too". When Bryans mom got home that evening at around 6:15. She went to check on Bryan. At the tender age of 18. Bryan was dead of an overdose.

The first line of this post said that I voted no at 12:30 this afternoon. Tonight our home phone rang at around 7:05. My wife's mother was calling to say that my wife's 53 year old cousin named Michelle had died. Michelle had a long history of drug abuse. Michelle would disappear for days at a time. Michelle had graduated to a dependence on prescription medications. Michelle had a husband and two grown children. Michelle got her start with marijuana.

Bryan and Michelle are why I voted no.


Two very good reasons, sir. There are many others equally as compelling.
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#3528483 - 01/02/14 11:28 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: MrWhitetail
 Originally Posted By: Pic IN the Casa
I'm sure there are some good folks that smoke pot. But the fact remains it's illegal. In my 47 years on earth it's been my experience that 85% of people I knew/know that smoke it are apathetic slackers that blame their employer for their entry level pay rather than their own life choices. This is the type of person I wouldn't allow in my car or my house for any reason.
Another 10% are liberal professors that don't worry about getting fired because of tenure. Unfortunately I have to deal with these people in my profession. They're all old hippies that go to fru-fru parties and sip wine, pass a bowl and look down their noses at anyone that disagrees with them.
And 5% are well functioning folks that smoke it occasionally.



You are just another person throwing out some random percentages that has no idea what you are talking about. You seriously need to stop being so self-righteous. I have read posts from you on too many threads that make you a hypocrite. That pertains to you claiming to be a man of God. Unless someone that is gay, or smokes weed is ruining your life, I recommend you mind your own business. Your arguments are based on nothing but your own arrogance. Do you know you are a small minority these days?


There is an ignore button for a reason. Rather than some personal attack, maybe you should just use that feature.
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#3528487 - 01/02/14 11:34 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: MrWhitetail
 Originally Posted By: Pic IN the Casa
I'm sure there are some good folks that smoke pot. But the fact remains it's illegal. In my 47 years on earth it's been my experience that 85% of people I knew/know that smoke it are apathetic slackers that blame their employer for their entry level pay rather than their own life choices. This is the type of person I wouldn't allow in my car or my house for any reason.
Another 10% are liberal professors that don't worry about getting fired because of tenure. Unfortunately I have to deal with these people in my profession. They're all old hippies that go to fru-fru parties and sip wine, pass a bowl and look down their noses at anyone that disagrees with them.
And 5% are well functioning folks that smoke it occasionally.



You are just another person throwing out some random percentages that has no idea what you are talking about. You seriously need to stop being so self-righteous. I have read posts from you on too many threads that make you a hypocrite. That pertains to you claiming to be a man of God. Unless someone that is gay, or smokes weed is ruining your life, I recommend you mind your own business. Your arguments are based on nothing but your own arrogance. Do you know you are a small minority these days?


LOL.
Notice my post said In my experience. That means that's what I have observed in MY life.
God condemns sodomy. You should read up on it.
Small minority? Even in this piddly poll it's a statistical dead heat.

Self righteous? And you're telling me to mind my own business- my how telling.

I'm no better than any one on this planet. But as it stands pot is illegal. Apparently pot smoking also causes thin skin in liberals, too.

I obviously struck a nerve with a couple of the resident deermunists today. I happen to have differing opinions with some folks I truly respect on here but I would still stand with them at any time.
As for the libs, I absolutely could care less how you feel.

BTW- In 30+ posts you claim to know me??? You weren't a duck in a past life were you?
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#3528493 - 01/02/14 11:48 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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 Originally Posted By: Pic IN the Casa
 Originally Posted By: MrWhitetail
 Originally Posted By: Pic IN the Casa
I'm sure there are some good folks that smoke pot. But the fact remains it's illegal. In my 47 years on earth it's been my experience that 85% of people I knew/know that smoke it are apathetic slackers that blame their employer for their entry level pay rather than their own life choices. This is the type of person I wouldn't allow in my car or my house for any reason.
Another 10% are liberal professors that don't worry about getting fired because of tenure. Unfortunately I have to deal with these people in my profession. They're all old hippies that go to fru-fru parties and sip wine, pass a bowl and look down their noses at anyone that disagrees with them.
And 5% are well functioning folks that smoke it occasionally.



You are just another person throwing out some random percentages that has no idea what you are talking about. You seriously need to stop being so self-righteous. I have read posts from you on too many threads that make you a hypocrite. That pertains to you claiming to be a man of God. Unless someone that is gay, or smokes weed is ruining your life, I recommend you mind your own business. Your arguments are based on nothing but your own arrogance. Do you know you are a small minority these days?


LOL.
Notice my post said In my experience. That means that's what I have observed in MY life.
God condemns sodomy. You should read up on it.
Small minority? Even in this piddly poll it's a statistical dead heat.

Self righteous? And you're telling me to mind my own business- my how telling.

I'm no better than any one on this planet. But as it stands pot is illegal. Apparently pot smoking also causes thin skin in liberals, too.

I obviously struck a nerve with a couple of the resident deermunists today. I happen to have differing opinions with some folks I truly respect on here but I would still stand with them at any time.
As for the libs, I absolutely could care less how you feel.

BTW- you weren't a duck in a past life were you?


I spotted the Duck/Warrior/TonyD early on in both of his last outings. I don't believe this is him.

His post does, though, tend to disprove the contention that pot smoking makes the users mellow and laid back. According to his profile, he's a "farm manager." His defensiveness leads me to wonder exactly what kind of farm he's managing.
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#3528500 - 01/02/14 11:56 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: MrWhitetail
You are just another person throwing out some random percentages that has no idea what you are talking about. You seriously need to stop being so self-righteous. I have read posts from you on too many threads that make you a hypocrite. That pertains to you claiming to be a man of God. Unless someone that is gay, or smokes weed is ruining your life, I recommend you mind your own business. Your arguments are based on nothing but your own arrogance. Do you know you are a small minority these days?


Gays and pot smokers are easy. Let's get serious. What is your take on users of hard drugs - cocaine, crack, heroin, meth?
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#3528534 - 01/03/14 05:00 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Vermin93]
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Wow....lots of opinions, lots of them from people that never smoked weed....or even tried it once, it appears.

Instead of talking about weed, as maybe being as bad or worse than alcohol, let's talk a moment about those that do smoke weed and even some that move along to harder drugs....

There is such a thing as an addictive personality. An addictive personality refers to a particular set of personality traits that make an individual predisposed to addictions. be it an addition to some form of drug (weed,alcohol)or just a video game, gambling or most anything. These people use whatever they can find to take their mind off worries and promote a good feeling....

To me, these people would get addicted to most anything. Weed may be easier to get than alcohol in some cases, so they went that route, plus it's much cheaper.

Whether they got addicted to weed or alcohol or gambling or candy crush, it all boils down to their quality of life and why they needed this "escape" in the first place...In every case, I can assure you that if they didn't get addicted to the weed it would be something else. The weed was just more convenient or they saw that they had no hangover or long lasting effect from the weed.

I smoked weed and drank beer most of my adult life. I did one or both every day for years. I got up every day and went to work without any ill effects after smoking weed the night before, but did call in sick some days when I woke up hungover from 10-15 beers. I don't do either anymore , actually no kind of drug at all, but I can say without any question in my mind that if I could go back and pick just one to do throughout my party days, I'd pick weed hands down. I could buy weed and smoke on it for a week for the price of one night out drinking beer. When i first started smoking weed, you could get an ounce or LID as we called it, for 12-15 dollars.....An ounce could last an individual a month, easy. The last weed I bought was about $120.00 an ounce , but again, it could easily last a month and sometimes much longer. When i quit drinking, I was probably spending $100 a week on beer. if I still smoked weed, I would have been spending about $100 a month on weed.

The thing about weed and some users is that a couple of hits after work and you are good for the evening. I was never a stoner and most casual users are not either that just got wasted away and was not functional. However, i was never able to drink one or two beers after work, once i got started , I'd drink 6-10 every night. So, for that reason I felt more addicted to the beer than the weed. The weed was more of an accessory to the crime, so to speak.

It has been proven that weed is far less dangerous for you than alcohol is....You can treat weed just like you do alcohol and use it casually, meaning that like one or two beers after work, just take a couple of hits off a joint to relax and move along with your day....If you are one that can't do that and will become a stoner, then odds are that you will also become an alcoholic and drink 6-10 beers a day .

Alcoholism is a terrible thing and many people suffer from it, but I don't see anyone trying to take alcohol off the shelves, because some people are casual drinkers. That's only fair. Well, I have known people for 40 years that are just as respectable as anyone else, worked hard all their lives and raised a great family, but still smoke a joint on occasions, mostly on the weekend or at parties with friends.

I worked at a factory for 20 years. One day there was an accident in one of the departments and a long time employee got hit by a fork truck. It was not his fault, the driver just didn't see him. He wasn't really hurt but they took him to the hospital to get checked out. As they do for insurance purposes, they drug tested him and he came up positive for weed. he was fired.

A little history on the guy. he had been there 25 years. he was the best operator in that department. he had been approached many times about being a foreman but he just like running his machine. he never missed one day of work, never turned down overtime and was married and had two kids. He was without a doubt, the best employee at the factory. He never drank, but he liked to smoke a bit of weed on the weekends, so he got fired. His department head almost cried when he found out. not that he came up positive for weed, but because he was losing his best worker.

My point is that if you are going to make one drug illegal, then all drugs should be illegal. If it is legal to buy alcohol, a drug, then it should be legal to buy weed.

Based on my experiences with weed and alcohol, I would vote YES.

Weed is no more addictive or harmful for you than any other drug, including alcohol....I know, I tested them ..lol.

Oh and when I quit, I had no ill effects. Maybe I just don't have an addictive personality. I'm working on 6 years alcohol free and many more weed free....

Oh I wonder why tobacco is still legal? it's addictive and very harmful......hmmm?

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#3528539 - 01/03/14 05:23 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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Bottom hunter I'm gonna have to agree with you. I've tested both. Alcohol almost cost me my life, weed left me with no ill effects.
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#3528564 - 01/03/14 06:21 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Bambi Buster]
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 Originally Posted By: Bambi Buster
 Originally Posted By: MrWhitetail
 Originally Posted By: Pic IN the Casa
I'm sure there are some good folks that smoke pot. But the fact remains it's illegal. In my 47 years on earth it's been my experience that 85% of people I knew/know that smoke it are apathetic slackers that blame their employer for their entry level pay rather than their own life choices. This is the type of person I wouldn't allow in my car or my house for any reason.
Another 10% are liberal professors that don't worry about getting fired because of tenure. Unfortunately I have to deal with these people in my profession. They're all old hippies that go to fru-fru parties and sip wine, pass a bowl and look down their noses at anyone that disagrees with them.
And 5% are well functioning folks that smoke it occasionally.



You are just another person throwing out some random percentages that has no idea what you are talking about. You seriously need to stop being so self-righteous. I have read posts from you on too many threads that make you a hypocrite. That pertains to you claiming to be a man of God. Unless someone that is gay, or smokes weed is ruining your life, I recommend you mind your own business. Your arguments are based on nothing but your own arrogance. Do you know you are a small minority these days?


A rather brash response and attitude for a spike with all of 35 posts.


I have to disagree. Any member who comes out pointing fingers and calling names is subject to being called out on it.
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#3528565 - 01/03/14 06:23 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Vermin93]
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 Originally Posted By: Vermin93
 Originally Posted By: MrWhitetail
You are just another person throwing out some random percentages that has no idea what you are talking about. You seriously need to stop being so self-righteous. I have read posts from you on too many threads that make you a hypocrite. That pertains to you claiming to be a man of God. Unless someone that is gay, or smokes weed is ruining your life, I recommend you mind your own business. Your arguments are based on nothing but your own arrogance. Do you know you are a small minority these days?


Gays and pot smokers are easy. Let's get serious. What is your take on users of hard drugs - cocaine, crack, heroin, meth?


Let me give you My Take - It's their body - their business.... Approving tax dollars to protect them from themselves is close to the definition of insanity - (doing the same thing over and over again with no change in the results)
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#3528568 - 01/03/14 06:27 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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 Originally Posted By: Kimber45
 Originally Posted By: Vermin93
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You are just another person throwing out some random percentages that has no idea what you are talking about. You seriously need to stop being so self-righteous. I have read posts from you on too many threads that make you a hypocrite. That pertains to you claiming to be a man of God. Unless someone that is gay, or smokes weed is ruining your life, I recommend you mind your own business. Your arguments are based on nothing but your own arrogance. Do you know you are a small minority these days?


Gays and pot smokers are easy. Let's get serious. What is your take on users of hard drugs - cocaine, crack, heroin, meth?


Let me give you My Take - It's their body - their business.... Approving tax dollars to protect them from themselves is close to the definition of insanity - (doing the same thing over and over again with no change in the results)


In other words WHY would we continue to throw away $ on a project that has NEVER been successful? If ppl want drugs - ppl get drugs.....it's really simple. Should we say they're good for you, No... Most drugs - even drugs that are supposed to "help you" have side effects. At the end of the day it should be up to each individual on what they do to themselves - if they want to roll up puffer fish and smoke the dang thing then have at it - its your business.
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#3528572 - 01/03/14 06:33 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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I haven't read all the post and maybe this opinion has been posted but ask yourself this question.... Would I want my son or daughter, of age to legally smoke it, to start smoking marijuana. That answers it for me. I wouldn't want them smoking it or anything else. My daughter thought she wanted to smoking cigaretts. I didn't like it but she was 22, so with it being legal what could I do. Thankfully she came to her senses and stopped.

Another realitive of mine smoked weed big time. He was going on on how it was harmless and should be legal. I asked him what would he do if he found out his son was smoking it. He said " I'd beat his you know what ". I had to ask him if it was so harmless and should be legal what was the problem. He didn't have an answer for me.

I'm not bashing anyone who has or does smoke it. I just think that we ( me included ) answer things on the premiss of what I want to do or how it will affect just me.

Just my opinion.........
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#3528574 - 01/03/14 06:41 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: peytoncreekhunter]
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Too many laws have come from "emotions" vs reality of what the law/cost paid truly accomplish.
I hope my boys NEVER try pot - and I've taught them the dangers of cig's, pot, alcohol, pain meds, etc so I "know" they know what's right and wrong. Beyond that, for me to ask a nation of ppl to fork out the their tax dollars for a project that has NEVER prevented drugs from being on the street and NEVER will is not wise.
Explaining the damage from drugs & alcohol is a job for parents, churches, schools etc. Law enforcement for the most part (yes I know there are a few programs but not many) has nothing at all to do with prevention - only handling the person who's used after the fact. Making pot illegal was/is nothing but a profit game. It never fixed anything
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#3528584 - 01/03/14 06:53 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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Let me add one final comment then I'm done with this one since my thoughts are likely clear:

I have a very close family member who's life was ruined - drugs were involved HOWEVER other things in his life caused him to push hard to self-medicate - it wasn't the drugs fault.

I have another close family member who's lost the farm, literally while using alcohol and gambling - no fault of the alcohol or gambling but on issues in his life he was trying to solve with those things.

I've seen the results of too many drugs, too many cigarette's, too much alcohol, too much gambling etc and they all pretty much end the same with families torn apart and ppl in serious trouble or worse. NONE of those were a fault of the drug of choice, but more so often a family unwilling to recognize issues and react according so to "maybe" have a chance to fix the issues that cause these people to seek self-treatments of any kind for what causes them pain. Not a single law - not one, deals with that aspect. The laws we have in place inflict more pain and damage on the families in most cases and are a monetary septic tank for the nation.
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#3528593 - 01/03/14 07:03 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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 Originally Posted By: Kimber45
Too many laws have come from "emotions" vs reality of what the law/cost paid truly accomplish.
I hope my boys NEVER try pot - and I've taught them the dangers of cig's, pot, alcohol, pain meds, etc so I "know" they know what's right and wrong. Beyond that, for me to ask a nation of ppl to fork out the their tax dollars for a project that has NEVER prevented drugs from being on the street and NEVER will is not wise.
Explaining the damage from drugs & alcohol is a job for parents, churches, schools etc. Law enforcement for the most part (yes I know there are a few programs but not many) has nothing at all to do with prevention - only handling the person who's used after the fact. Making pot illegal was/is nothing but a profit game. It never fixed anything

Absolutely! I dipped for around 8 years (quit 6/2/11). Now, if I'm blessed with a son one day, there's no way I want him around the stuff. But that'll be MY job to steer him away from such things, not the government's.
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#3528594 - 01/03/14 07:03 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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Dudes, you guys still on this one? Chill, man, where are the chips?


\:D

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#3528614 - 01/03/14 07:17 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: ferg]
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#3528850 - 01/03/14 10:06 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kingston]
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The Fourth Amendment says it all. Read it and the rest of the Founders' thoughts on personal, individual liberties that must be free from governmental tyranny. I do not agree with Satan worship but I will support your right to do it. I do not agree with flag burning but will support your right to do it. I do not agree with the Baptists but support their right to be Baptists. There is much I disagree with yet wish not to see it banned or regulated by a bloated, corrupt, and tyrannical government woefully abusive of powers handed to it by an ignorant and apathetic citizenry.
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#3528863 - 01/03/14 10:15 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: peytoncreekhunter]
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 Originally Posted By: peytoncreekhunter
I haven't read all the post and maybe this opinion has been posted but ask yourself this question.... Would I want my son or daughter, of age to legally smoke it, to start smoking marijuana.



If they are of age and on their own.... unless you babysit them 24hrs a day.... how would you stop them from doing pot or anything else they may want to "try"? You may not want them to try it.... but what are their thoughts, experiences of other friends that may have tried pot, or experiences with some (if any) family members that have been involved with drug use?

If they are not of age and living with you.... it's a little easier for you to control them on what they do or don't do.... even then, things can still happen if they want it to.

This is where parenting comes into play and raising kids.... you can teach them and tell them all you want.... they may listen and never do anything illegal.... they may listen and one day decide to "test the waters" and then or at some point have to deal with their decisions.

There is only so much you can do to protect them from themselves... at some point, they either mind your words or they don't.... it's their decision and life.
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#3528883 - 01/03/14 10:23 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Grizzly Johnson]
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Exactly Grizz,

The Government is NOT your baby daddy. It is not their job to keep Kids from doing things they should not do.

Making Pot illegal is just as false sense of security as a "No Gun Zone". It doesn't do a DARN thing to those who are willing to break the law.

The difference is, our Government has declared Pot illegal and then armed the Mexican drug cartels.

YOU go to jail for smoking what the Government has killed nearly 400 people in the last 5 years to make sure you have access to.

Think about THAT for a while.
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#3528927 - 01/03/14 10:48 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Crappie Luck]
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#3528935 - 01/03/14 10:50 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kingston]
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Just a sobering thought on the "harmless" aspect.

http://dailycurrant.com/2014/01/02/marij...f-legalization/

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#3528953 - 01/03/14 11:05 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: fishboy1]
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 Originally Posted By: fishboy1
Just a sobering thought on the "harmless" aspect.

http://dailycurrant.com/2014/01/02/marij...f-legalization/

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lol...
That was good.

That's what some people really think will happen because they are misinformed or won't check the facts. Then they preach it.

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#3528975 - 01/03/14 11:20 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: fishboy1]
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 Originally Posted By: fishboy1
Just a sobering thought on the "harmless" aspect.

http://dailycurrant.com/2014/01/02/marij...f-legalization/

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Hilarious, but purely fictional!! Complete hoax!

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#3529015 - 01/03/14 12:07 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Winchester]
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with all of the confessions on this thread I now understand the mental issues and their posts, puff puff pass pass, lmrfao
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#3529025 - 01/03/14 12:18 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Chaneylake]
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 Originally Posted By: Chaneylake
with all of the confessions on this thread I now understand the mental issues and their posts, puff puff pass pass, lmrfao


Come on now Chaney, I never took you for being shallow-minded so don't see me as a pot-head \:\)
I agree there were a few confessions but MANY who said make it legal - including myself, aren't potter's
There's a tremendous difference in thinking pot is Good and agreeing that tax dollars vacuumed in by Uncle Sam are of any benefit, right? The so called War on Drugs has been of no benefit for reasons we can all imagine and understand but mainly because, as well know from the last decade, many household chemicals, some cold meds etc can be made into drugs and those who want to get high always do. That said, why allow uncle Sammy to make money on the drugs, then arrest the users for using the drugs using employees that we pay for to aid the wicked business at hand..?
Myself, I hate pot - I hate drugs period but in no way has Uncle Sam and all his billions of stolen dollars for the war on drugs ever been a part of why I'm not a drug user. That said, I still know some folks who smoke pot that are some great and productive folks and will never be judged by me for what they do to themselves \:\)
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#3529026 - 01/03/14 12:18 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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This would have NEVER passed if Twinkies were still off the market.
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#3529028 - 01/03/14 12:21 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: ferg]
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 Originally Posted By: ferg
Dudes, you guys still on this one? Chill, man, where are the chips?


\:D

ferg....

(Well said Scott)


Well I said I was going to shut up - however I sat down for lunch only to start blabbing again \:D
A stubborn SOB I am
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#3529031 - 01/03/14 12:22 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
This would have NEVER passed if Twinkies were still off the market.


Bwahhhhhhhh \:D
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#3529036 - 01/03/14 12:25 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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 Originally Posted By: Chaneylake
with all of the confessions on this thread I now understand the mental issues and their posts, puff puff pass pass, lmrfao


Come on now Chaney, I never took you for being shallow-minded so don't see me as a pot-head \:\)
I agree there were a few confessions but MANY who said make it legal - including myself, aren't potter's
There's a tremendous difference in thinking pot is Good and agreeing that tax dollars vacuumed in by Uncle Sam are of any benefit, right? The so called War on Drugs has been of no benefit for reasons we can all imagine and understand but mainly because, as well know from the last decade, many household chemicals, some cold meds etc can be made into drugs and those who want to get high always do. That said, why allow uncle Sammy to make money on the drugs, then arrest the users for using the drugs using employees that we pay for to aid the wicked business at hand..?
Myself, I hate pot - I hate drugs period but in no way has Uncle Sam and all his billions of stolen dollars for the war on drugs ever been a part of why I'm not a drug user. That said, I still know some folks who smoke pot that are some great and productive folks and will never be judged by me for what they do to themselves \:\)


make it legal, sell in "pure uncut form", let the buzzards eat the dead ones in the morning
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#3529037 - 01/03/14 12:25 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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 Originally Posted By: ferg
Dudes, you guys still on this one? Chill, man, where are the chips?


\:D

ferg....

(Well said Scott)


Well I said I was going to shut up - however I sat down for lunch only to start blabbing again \:D
A stubborn SOB I am


I thought it had been hours since I last replied but it was really only 3 minutes

:D:D
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#3529050 - 01/03/14 12:33 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Chaneylake]
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 Originally Posted By: Kimber45
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with all of the confessions on this thread I now understand the mental issues and their posts, puff puff pass pass, lmrfao


Come on now Chaney, I never took you for being shallow-minded so don't see me as a pot-head \:\)
I agree there were a few confessions but MANY who said make it legal - including myself, aren't potter's
There's a tremendous difference in thinking pot is Good and agreeing that tax dollars vacuumed in by Uncle Sam are of any benefit, right? The so called War on Drugs has been of no benefit for reasons we can all imagine and understand but mainly because, as well know from the last decade, many household chemicals, some cold meds etc can be made into drugs and those who want to get high always do. That said, why allow uncle Sammy to make money on the drugs, then arrest the users for using the drugs using employees that we pay for to aid the wicked business at hand..?
Myself, I hate pot - I hate drugs period but in no way has Uncle Sam and all his billions of stolen dollars for the war on drugs ever been a part of why I'm not a drug user. That said, I still know some folks who smoke pot that are some great and productive folks and will never be judged by me for what they do to themselves \:\)


make it legal, sell in "pure uncut form", let the buzzards eat the dead ones in the morning


Yes Sir.. The good Lord himself didn't come down and take the forbidden fruit out of our hands - he simply told us what we Should and Should not do... A Big Part of the reason for our government being SO fat and our outgoing tax dollar amount being SO much, is on us ........... because in our simple minds we've given our right and responsibility to handle ourselves, to the government and basically demanded that they do it for us \:D and man have they had a big time doing so
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#3529061 - 01/03/14 12:42 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Chaneylake]
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 Originally Posted By: Chaneylake
with all of the confessions on this thread I now understand the mental issues and their posts, puff puff pass pass, lmrfao


A dear friend told me some interesting things about a guy that he gave a joint or two to on occasion.....Maybe it was just to get the girls high enough to consent..I have no idea, none of my business....lol.

So, you see, it even helps non-smokers score...lol.
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#3529073 - 01/03/14 12:52 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter
 Originally Posted By: Chaneylake
with all of the confessions on this thread I now understand the mental issues and their posts, puff puff pass pass, lmrfao


A dear friend told me some interesting things about a guy that he gave a joint or two to on occasion.....Maybe it was just to get the girls high enough to consent..I have no idea, none of my business....lol.

So, you see, it even helps non-smokers score...lol.


is this dear friend of yours is named Bill Thomas, aka Jr., who is an alcoholic, who stole a gold coin of mine, was investigated by the State for missing surveying equipment, he had to hire a lawyer in the surveying equipment deal that came up missing from the Highway Dept office.

is this why he is referred to as "BOGUS BILL"

just asking


Edited by Chaneylake (01/03/14 01:05 PM)
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#3529130 - 01/03/14 01:55 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Chaneylake]
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As long as there are drugs they'll be stuff for sale cheap... \:D
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#3529133 - 01/03/14 01:57 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: SilverFox]
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As long as there are drugs they'll be stuff for sale cheap... \:D


and thieves, liers, etc
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#3529135 - 01/03/14 01:59 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: SilverFox]
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Just so everyone knows I told MUP I hope he 'smokes one' today. For the record, I was talking about a deer.
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#3529140 - 01/03/14 02:03 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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Just so everyone knows I told MUP I hope he 'smokes one' today. For the record, I was talking about a deer.


I hope he kills one but if he smokes one I want pictures before/during/after \:D
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#3529171 - 01/03/14 02:22 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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LOL!!!
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#3530185 - 01/04/14 09:05 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Crappie Luck]
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Well, reckon that settles it. The majority of a forum with a very conservative reputation voted for the legalization of marijuana. Do deer eat marijuana leaves?
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#3530188 - 01/04/14 09:09 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Poser]
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I guess that majority sees that Government dictating our lives does not make us any safer.

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#3530193 - 01/04/14 09:12 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Poser]
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51% are pot-head liars. ;\)

I voted Yes and only puffed 2 or 3 times as a teenager. If it were available for purchase at Kroger, I would buy as much of I as I would buy Cheese in a Can.
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#3530197 - 01/04/14 09:14 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
I guess that majority sees that Government dictating our lives does not make us any safer.

Liberty includes the freedom to make poor choices.


Exactly ^^^^^^^^^
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#3530199 - 01/04/14 09:16 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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WOW... Just had a "flashback" \:D remembered going to the theatre to watch Cheech and Chong's Up in Smoke back in 78/79..lol

That movie was stupidly hilarious! \:D
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#3530329 - 01/04/14 10:55 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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#3530333 - 01/04/14 10:58 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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Maybe if it's leagalized across the country the government and congress will smoke em one and realize how stupid they are... Cause if they are not stoned making the decisions they are making now, maybe stoned decisions will be better. It can't hurt that's for sure... \:\)
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#3530357 - 01/04/14 11:20 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Nealmeally]
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Maybe if it's leagalized across the country the government and congress will smoke em one and realize how stupid they are... Cause if they are not stoned making the decisions they are making now, maybe stoned decisions will be better. It can't hurt that's for sure... \:\)


I'd be willing to pay for their Pot to see!! I agree - the bulk of the decisions I've seen lately seem Prozac induced at a minimum.. Speaking of which, I wonder how many judges, politicians etc take LEGAL mind control drugs like Prozac for instance?? I've watched video footage for a paper I had to write once on studies before/after treatment with anti-depressants - scared the heck out of me
Now, some folks I'm sure need them but MANY choose not to experience the ups/downs of life via mind control drugs (legally) and when they're in a position of power in regards to decisions that affect others, I have to believe we fall subject to their dulled-state of thought .....
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#3530365 - 01/04/14 11:24 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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Kimber45, no telling how many of em making decisions that impact our lives are on some form of medication that alters their mind in some way.. And that's scary!!! Not much we can do about it but it is scary..
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#3530617 - 01/04/14 04:20 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Nealmeally]
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Yes Poser,they do eat it. Or so I'm told.
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#3530631 - 01/04/14 04:33 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: KCW]
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Yes Poser,they do eat it. Or so I'm told.


Good. Just want to make sure the West TN deer hunting is still good once all the bean and corn fields are growing weed instead \:D
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#3530694 - 01/04/14 05:44 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Poser]
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Well Bob Saget said it best. I won't quote him. This is a waste of taxpayer's dollars and time. Freedom to choose is equal to freedom to take the consequences. I do believe our govt should focus more on the war on legal drugs vs illegal. In my hometown Oxycontin has take more people down hill than anything. Some drugs have a viable stance for being illegal, some don't. Marijuana does not IMO. The health risk vs the risk against harming another person do not add up to the money spent to reduce it.
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#3530751 - 01/04/14 06:28 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Poser]
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 Originally Posted By: KCW
Yes Poser,they do eat it. Or so I'm told.


Good. Just want to make sure the West TN deer hunting is still good once all the bean and corn fields are growing weed instead \:D
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#3531013 - 01/04/14 08:58 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: tnbucs1]
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It is a tough choice on making it legal. No one knows for sure what the negative effects will be. There will still be a black market for it with a 30% tax added on to the legal pot. I respect the people who appose legalizing it, but I think that legalizing it may be the best at this point. It is a shame that there is such a high demand for drugs in our country.
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#3531160 - 01/04/14 10:43 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Chapman]
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I voted yes.

Indisputable facts:

Prohibition did not work with alcohol.
Prohibition is not working with marijuana.

Several online sources point to a taxpayer expense of 51 billion per year spent on the war on drugs. We as a nation are poor as an outhouse rat and really don't need to be spending money in a failed effort. I would propose to legalize pot ONLY in all 50 states. We then tax it at a reasonable rate to kill the black market and seriously hurt the Mexican cartel business plans. We then take those tax dollars and secure the border with Mexico; and chase other drugs that are far more dangerous to their users.

As for usage, my personal opinion is the folks that smoke it now will continue, and the folks that don't smoke it will not start.

And no, I don't smoke it or condone its use. I just believe it is time to look at alternative solutions to every problem this country has.
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#3531238 - 01/05/14 12:23 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: AndyW]
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Only a sissy smokes weed.. real men smoke blunts..lol

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#3531279 - 01/05/14 04:34 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: LIL JOKER]
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it's funny to me how people think that alcohol does not always lead to drunks lying in the streets but all weed smokers are stoners lying around eating Doritos all day....lol.

Why can't people smoke weed socially like many do alcohol? Some people only drink on weekends and some not even every weekend.

Why are weed smokers always portrayed as stoned out useless idiots like Spicoli in Fast Times at Ridgemont High.....? GNARLY DUDE.... lol

Double standard?????

Yep.
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#3531407 - 01/05/14 07:49 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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What are the benefits of pot?

Does it make you smarter? No.
Does it make you stronger? No.
Does it make your body healthier? No.
Does it boost your immune system? No.

It CAN increase appetite.
It CAN show a decrease in inner eye pressure for glaucoma patients.
It also CAN result in paranoia.
It also CAN result in panic attacks, lethargy, loss of motivation, and yes...addiction.

So when all the BS settles....It is primarily a recreational DRUG which is used to impair ones normal mindset while incurring a "high".

So much for the "benefits" argument.

On to the cost of keeping it illegal.
When you balance the equation, few people would argue that its a winner. Very costly, largely ineffective, increases violent crime and drug cartels, encourages government trampling our rights and eroding the constitution.

Government uses it to push the boundaries of our rights back and even violates them with blatant disregard. A woman can kill an unborn child because it is "her body" but you cant smoke some grass? And now the government can FORCE you to submit to having blood drawn to SEARCH for drugs/booze if you are SUSPECTED of DUI.

My conclusion.... Smoking pot is a bad idea. The TRUE benefits(biologically and medically) are few and only apply to a very tiny segment of the population. Its costly, physically negative to your body, mentally degrading to your mind, emotionally addictive, and doesn't increase your personal performance.

The crux of the matter is HOW to handle making it legal.

The only RESPONSIBLE way would be for the government to remove any and all protections for drug use. You use? You are 100% responsible. Financially, legally, medically. No employment protections, no free housing, no welfare, no free or subsidized medical treatment.

You (everybody) want to be an adult and make adult decisions regarding what you put in your body? Excellent ! Then you (everybody) should be more than happy to be an adult and agree to disband all protections and incentives for negative behavior.

The majority of bad behavior of every kind continues because the cost and consequences are too easy to pass off onto others.
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#3531635 - 01/05/14 10:29 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: fishboy1]
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WOW!! At least now I REALLY understand that our government will stay screwed up and why... 50% of us believe the government is our and our baby's daddy \:\(
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#3531665 - 01/05/14 11:00 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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Since I'm an expert in this field.... It wouldn't do any good to add my 2 cents...... ;\)
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#3531684 - 01/05/14 11:14 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: gator-n-buck]
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LOL @ gator \:D

Going by the poll on this thread I am actually very surprised.
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#3531719 - 01/05/14 11:33 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: RUGER]
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What amazes me is how civil this thread has remained even with so many differing opinions.... I'm proud of you guys!
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#3531724 - 01/05/14 11:35 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Eric Kilby]
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 Originally Posted By: Eric Kilby
What amazes me is how civil this thread has remained even with so many differing opinions.... I'm proud of you guys!


Shut up Eric! \:D
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#3531727 - 01/05/14 11:35 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: fishboy1]
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 Originally Posted By: fishboy1
What are the benefits of pot?

Does it make you smarter? No.
Does it make you stronger? No.
Does it make your body healthier? No.
Does it boost your immune system? No.

It CAN increase appetite.
It CAN show a decrease in inner eye pressure for glaucoma patients.
It also CAN result in paranoia.
It also CAN result in panic attacks, lethargy, loss of motivation, and yes...addiction.

So when all the BS settles....It is primarily a recreational DRUG which is used to impair ones normal mindset while incurring a "high".

So much for the "benefits" argument.

On to the cost of keeping it illegal.
When you balance the equation, few people would argue that its a winner. Very costly, largely ineffective, increases violent crime and drug cartels, encourages government trampling our rights and eroding the constitution.

Government uses it to push the boundaries of our rights back and even violates them with blatant disregard. A woman can kill an unborn child because it is "her body" but you cant smoke some grass? And now the government can FORCE you to submit to having blood drawn to SEARCH for drugs/booze if you are SUSPECTED of DUI.

My conclusion.... Smoking pot is a bad idea. The TRUE benefits(biologically and medically) are few and only apply to a very tiny segment of the population. Its costly, physically negative to your body, mentally degrading to your mind, emotionally addictive, and doesn't increase your personal performance.

The crux of the matter is HOW to handle making it legal.

The only RESPONSIBLE way would be for the government to remove any and all protections for drug use. You use? You are 100% responsible. Financially, legally, medically. No employment protections, no free housing, no welfare, no free or subsidized medical treatment.

You (everybody) want to be an adult and make adult decisions regarding what you put in your body? Excellent ! Then you (everybody) should be more than happy to be an adult and agree to disband all protections and incentives for negative behavior.

The majority of bad behavior of every kind continues because the cost and consequences are too easy to pass off onto others.


I agree, again.

And I'll say again, if we could start from square one I'd say legalize it and YOU are 100% responsible for your actions.

But because libs have turned the country into a nanny state there's NO way the government will make you responsible for your own actions (look at welfare, medicare, obamaphones, etc...). Legalizing it and saying "okay now, if anything happens, it's on you" is NEVER going to happen.
Taxing legal pot is NEVER going to save the taxpayer a dime. It may allow the government to shift funds from one over-burdened problem to another but that's it.
Socially, we've evolved into dependence way too far and without a revolution it will never change.
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#3531759 - 01/05/14 11:55 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Eric Kilby]
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 Originally Posted By: Eric Kilby
What amazes me is how civil this thread has remained even with so many differing opinions.... I'm proud of you guys!


pot keeps folks pretty low key. ;\)
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#3531765 - 01/05/14 11:57 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: BamaProud]
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 Originally Posted By: Eric Kilby
What amazes me is how civil this thread has remained even with so many differing opinions.... I'm proud of you guys!


pot keeps folks pretty low key. ;\)


Bama quit hoggin the blunt man
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#3531774 - 01/05/14 12:02 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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Ruger, please post a new poll. After 31 ridiculous pages about the Great War on pot, I'd like to know how many people had to watch Dazed and Confused?! \:\) I keep meaning to pull my copy out and have a few good laughs and a few great memories!

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#3531780 - 01/05/14 12:07 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: RUGER]
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LOL @ gator \:D

Going by the poll on this thread I am actually very surprised.

I will admit to being a bit surprised by the poll results. I would have guessed it would come out more along the lines of 60%-40% in favor of legalization.
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#3531782 - 01/05/14 12:08 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Deck78]
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 Originally Posted By: Deck78
Ruger, After 31 ridiculous pages about the Great War on pot,


31 pages? I on'y have 13.
Dude, you need to set your page settings to 1.5 and not the 1.25's

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#3531792 - 01/05/14 12:16 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Crappie Luck]
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#3531797 - 01/05/14 12:19 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
 Originally Posted By: Deck78
Ruger, After 31 ridiculous pages about the Great War on pot,


31 pages? I on'y have 13.
Dude, you need to set your page settings to 1.5 and not the 1.25's

\:D


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#3531870 - 01/05/14 01:23 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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Legalize it. Responsible adults will continue to be responsible adults. The people who are going to abuse it already are abusing it, illegally. Alcohol has been legal and used responsibly for many years. Pot is no different.
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#3531908 - 01/05/14 01:48 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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If the "buy anything" EBT card purchases drive you nuts, wait for the dope buying EBT cardholders to get their dope free. That'll put'um to work.

We've got guys marrying guys, girls marrying girls, chicks in the SEALs, gay couples adopting kids, kids having kids, muslims in the military killing other soldiers, a muslim in the White House, people making more from the government handouts than they could ever make working, so are we going to make living in the United States worse than it already is by legalizing dope? Of course we will. The only thing we do effectively anymore is weaken the country. Have at it.

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#3531920 - 01/05/14 01:59 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Hangnail]
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Hangnail you're right on all accounts of what we have, but how do you think legalizing something that is already available at any time you want it going to make things worse?
This is about whether the government should be our Daddy, or not. I hate drugs, prescription or not, however in no WAY shape form or fashion do I need to Pay the government to tell me what I can smoke, eat, shoot-up, snort etc...and I wouldn't think anyone would. The government has done NOTHING but profit from drugs and the burden on tax payers in local, state, federal taxes for the so called "war on drugs" is far from a small donation on our part not to mention all the jobs required to process all the BS + the rehabs we pay for.
Legalization of drugs is not about right/wrong it's about ppl being responsible for themselves again without the remainder of us paying to be their daddy - which is a fruitless effort
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#3531941 - 01/05/14 02:17 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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It is the same argument we make as responsible gun owners. We don't need additional restrictions placed on us regarding guns. Similarly I don't see the need to regulate other aspects of out lives.

It is already illegal to shoot someone without cause...and it is already illegal to do a bunch of stuff under the influence of drugs of any kind.


Edited by BamaProud (01/05/14 02:17 PM)
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#3532139 - 01/05/14 04:07 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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 Originally Posted By: Kimber45
 Originally Posted By: eddie c
what I wonder is what does the 'legalizing' of pot do to the workplace drug policies/practices that employers are using now?


Most don't let us drink on the job so I'd guess the rules would be the same. If you were caught "high" or "drunk" on the job you'd likely be escorted out the door.


where I work,you get tested for alcohol .04 is the limit,,but for pot it is any trace,,

there would need to be a THC level test,,
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#3532552 - 01/05/14 07:22 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: mr.big]
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 Originally Posted By: mr.big
 Originally Posted By: Kimber45
 Originally Posted By: eddie c
what I wonder is what does the 'legalizing' of pot do to the workplace drug policies/practices that employers are using now?


Most don't let us drink on the job so I'd guess the rules would be the same. If you were caught "high" or "drunk" on the job you'd likely be escorted out the door.


where I work,you get tested for alcohol .04 is the limit,,but for pot it is any trace,,

there would need to be a THC level test,,


I agree
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#3532692 - 01/05/14 08:27 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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Kimber45, I doesn't matter what I think on the subject of drugs. All I know is that people need zero reason to be idiots and legalizing dope won't help. Will it make a difference? Probably not, in taxes or influence on people. It just makes me wonder what's next.
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#3532759 - 01/05/14 08:57 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Hangnail]
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I have not read all the posts so sorry if this has been mentioned.....Just something else to think about.


What effects will second hand pot smoke have on young kids?
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#3532816 - 01/05/14 09:18 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Bigg'un4214]
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 Originally Posted By: Bigg'un4214
I have not read all the posts so sorry if this has been mentioned.....Just something else to think about.


What effects will second hand pot smoke have on young kids?


about the same that it does now.
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#3532918 - 01/05/14 10:16 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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No! I do not want children exposed to it. If it's legal it will have an effecton children and sway lives which did not need to happen. I know it does already...but permission will make it worse.

We need to set good examples for our kids.


Edited by recurve60# (01/05/14 10:19 PM)
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#3532984 - 01/05/14 11:48 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: KPH]
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#3532996 - 01/06/14 01:41 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: recurve60#]
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 Originally Posted By: recurve60#
No! I do not want children exposed to it. If it's legal it will have an effecton children and sway lives which did not need to happen. I know it does already...but permission will make it worse.

We need to set good examples for our kids.


just like the fear mongers that predicted blood in the streets from carry permit holders, this will not happen any more than it does now.
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#3533035 - 01/06/14 05:42 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: fishboy1]
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 Originally Posted By: fishboy1
What are the benefits of pot?

Does it make you smarter? No.
Does it make you stronger? No.
Does it make your body healthier? No.
Does it boost your immune system? No.

It CAN increase appetite.
It CAN show a decrease in inner eye pressure for glaucoma patients.
It also CAN result in paranoia.
It also CAN result in panic attacks, lethargy, loss of motivation, and yes...addiction.

So when all the BS settles....It is primarily a recreational DRUG which is used to impair ones normal mindset while incurring a "high".

So much for the "benefits" argument.

On to the cost of keeping it illegal.
When you balance the equation, few people would argue that its a winner. Very costly, largely ineffective, increases violent crime and drug cartels, encourages government trampling our rights and eroding the constitution.

Government uses it to push the boundaries of our rights back and even violates them with blatant disregard. A woman can kill an unborn child because it is "her body" but you cant smoke some grass? And now the government can FORCE you to submit to having blood drawn to SEARCH for drugs/booze if you are SUSPECTED of DUI.

My conclusion.... Smoking pot is a bad idea. The TRUE benefits(biologically and medically) are few and only apply to a very tiny segment of the population. Its costly, physically negative to your body, mentally degrading to your mind, emotionally addictive, and doesn't increase your personal performance.

The crux of the matter is HOW to handle making it legal.

The only RESPONSIBLE way would be for the government to remove any and all protections for drug use. You use? You are 100% responsible. Financially, legally, medically. No employment protections, no free housing, no welfare, no free or subsidized medical treatment.

You (everybody) want to be an adult and make adult decisions regarding what you put in your body? Excellent ! Then you (everybody) should be more than happy to be an adult and agree to disband all protections and incentives for negative behavior.

The majority of bad behavior of every kind continues because the cost and consequences are too easy to pass off onto others.


I'm pretty sure pot has some medical benefits and while you're at it, just replace weed with alcohol in your post and it's about the same.....The thing is, I never wanted to fight or drive fast or actually act up at all on weed...unlike alcohol.

Again, in regards to any drug, people react differently to it. There are casual smokers as there are casual drinkers....Do I like going out to dinner and have some drunk guy at the table next to me laughing and raising hell because he had a few drinks before dinner...no. But that's okay, I can just go home. If you don't like weed or people that smoke it, then you still have no worries. I doubt that people will be allowed to smoke it in public places like restaurants and bars but drunks will still be allowed to get loud and raise hell while your out with your wife and kids...People want to be able to keep a little weed at home for their own personal use and I see nothing wrong with that...

Again....look at the statistics for deaths in this country contributed to alcohol use and tell me how alcohol is better for you than pot?
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#3533037 - 01/06/14 05:45 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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Again....look at the statistics for deaths in this country contributed to alcohol use and tell me how alcohol is better for you than pot?


I don't believe anybody is saying either is good for you.
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#3533039 - 01/06/14 05:46 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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Back in the day, I can vouch when a person is high they don't want to drive fast or have any conflict with another person, alcohol just the oppositte effect.
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#3533041 - 01/06/14 05:46 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: recurve60#]
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 Originally Posted By: recurve60#
No! I do not want children exposed to it. If it's legal it will have an effecton children and sway lives which did not need to happen. I know it does already...but permission will make it worse.

We need to set good examples for our kids.



And so, would you say that alcohol has no effect on kids now? Since most addicts started out stealing alcohol from their parents, isn't alcohol the gateway drug? Why is it legal? Because it is a billion dollar business...regardless of the deaths it causes and the families it destroys.

It's okay if kids drink every day as long as we keep them away from weed...really?? wow. lol.
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#3533043 - 01/06/14 05:49 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: stik]
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter




Again....look at the statistics for deaths in this country contributed to alcohol use and tell me how alcohol is better for you than pot?


I don't believe anybody is saying either is good for you.


With all the data on deaths caused by alcohol/ alcohol related and just the opposite for weed, then what sense does it make for one to be legal and the other illegal?

Oh wait, I forgot that sense and government should never be used in the same train of thought...
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#3533046 - 01/06/14 05:54 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Bottom Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Bottom Hunter


With all the data on deaths caused by alcohol/ alcohol related and just the opposite for weed, then what sense does it make for one to be legal and the other illegal?



none what-so-ever.
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#3533064 - 01/06/14 06:17 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: stik]
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It's slated to be legalized for medical use only, is it not? What I just saw come across the screen ticker anyway.
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#3533066 - 01/06/14 06:21 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: stik]
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If the discussion were: Is it good for us OR which is worse for us, then scientific folks would be deciding for us...

The discussion NEEDS to be nothing except:

Should the government have the legal right to tell you what you can do to yourself..? The absolute 100% simple unarguable fact is NO they should Not! The government is not a supreme being - matter o fact most are probably very untrustworthy and on drugs themselves however We the People think they should have the right to govern decisions we make that effect us as an individual REALLY!
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#3533072 - 01/06/14 06:29 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: UTGrad]
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My vote was no for several reasons. Pot is a gateway grug.Harmless? BS!Do we really need to legalize and make it even more readily available to our young ones? Do we really need to create a Walking Dead Head generation? I think not! For those of you who think that legalizing pot will have no bearing on pot usage have moved on from smoking pot to crack! Smoking pot has had a stigma attached to it and add to that the fact you could be doing time is a strong argument not to do it in a young persons mind!WHY would you want to increase the odds of failure for a young person? WHY? I want to hear your justification for this?
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#3533073 - 01/06/14 06:31 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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 Originally Posted By: Kimber45
If the discussion were: Is it good for us OR which is worse for us, then scientific folks would be deciding for us...

The discussion NEEDS to be nothing except:

Should the government have the legal right to tell you what you can do to yourself..? The absolute 100% simple unarguable fact is NO they should Not! The government is not a supreme being - matter o fact most are probably very untrustworthy and on drugs themselves however We the People think they should have the right to govern decisions we make that effect us as an individual REALLY!


Kimber Nailed it. ^^

The only addition is being PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE for your actions and their outcome.


Edited by fishboy1 (01/06/14 06:31 AM)
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#3533076 - 01/06/14 06:35 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Tar12]
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 Originally Posted By: Tar12
Do we really need to legalize and make it even more readily available to our young ones?


go to ANY grade school(7th grade up) and you can easily get pot. it can be no more readily available. regulate like liquor and require ID will make it LESS available. I know, I know, they get liquor anyway too.
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#3533080 - 01/06/14 06:41 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Tar12]
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My vote was no for several reasons. Pot is a gateway grug.Harmless? BS!Do we really need to legalize and make it even more readily available to our young ones? Do we really need to create a Walking Dead Head generation? I think not! For those of you who think that legalizing pot will have no bearing on pot usage have moved on from smoking pot to crack! Smoking pot has had a stigma attached to it and add to that the fact you could be doing time is a strong argument not to do it in a young persons mind!WHY would you want to increase the odds of failure for a young person? WHY? I want to hear your justification for this?


Don't take this personally because the question is to make a point, but is the government yours or your families daddy?
Doing or not doing drugs - that Lesson is on US as parents then its on US as adults once we are consenting adults. NOBODY in their right mind will say Pot or ANY drug is good for us! DRUGS - ALL DRUGS have side effects and are not candy yet the shelves are full of chemicals you can sniff, snort, smoke etc and we trust that folks will use them accordingly and NOT to hurt themselves however if they use them to hurt themselves, that's on THEM not the Government. In no way-shape-form-fashion is the government our daddy nor should they EVER be put in a position to act as such. Just makes no sense at all - and arguments about drugs effects on us have NO bearing on legalization of more ways that We can harm Ourselves
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#3533082 - 01/06/14 06:43 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Tar12]
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 Originally Posted By: Tar12
My vote was no for several reasons. Pot is a gateway grug.Harmless? BS!Do we really need to legalize and make it even more readily available to our young ones? Do we really need to create a Walking Dead Head generation? I think not! For those of you who think that legalizing pot will have no bearing on pot usage have moved on from smoking pot to crack! Smoking pot has had a stigma attached to it and add to that the fact you could be doing time is a strong argument not to do it in a young persons mind!WHY would you want to increase the odds of failure for a young person? WHY? I want to hear your justification for this?


. This is exactly the reason that I have never tried any type of illegal for adults drug in my life. Im not sure that I wouldn't have tried it if it was legal to adults and more readily available when I was a kid.
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#3533086 - 01/06/14 06:47 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: trealtree]
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 Originally Posted By: Tar12
My vote was no for several reasons. Pot is a gateway grug.Harmless? BS!Do we really need to legalize and make it even more readily available to our young ones? Do we really need to create a Walking Dead Head generation? I think not! For those of you who think that legalizing pot will have no bearing on pot usage have moved on from smoking pot to crack! Smoking pot has had a stigma attached to it and add to that the fact you could be doing time is a strong argument not to do it in a young persons mind!WHY would you want to increase the odds of failure for a young person? WHY? I want to hear your justification for this?


. This is exactly the reason that I have never tried any type of illegal drug in my life. Im not sure that I wouldn't have tried it if it was legal to adults and more redily available when I was a kid.


You learned the lesson of legal over the lesson of right/wrong? There are plenty of drugs that were legal while you were growing up - how did legality prevent your trying those?
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#3533163 - 01/06/14 07:55 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Tar12]
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Looks like Colorado is expecting to put some 28 Million into the school systems from the taxes off this stuff..

28 million.
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#3533224 - 01/06/14 08:27 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: DntBrnDPig]
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Just say the words "it's for the children" and the libs get all googly eyed. Unless of course we're talking about abortion.
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#3533241 - 01/06/14 08:38 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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Personally I'd have no problem with random police roadside checks for pot and even alcohol of any kind and on-the-spot executions if found with either. Not that I feel strongly about the subject..... \:\) I've never used any of it and cannot see why anyone would??
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#3533267 - 01/06/14 09:05 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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 Originally Posted By: Kimber45
 Originally Posted By: trealtree
 Originally Posted By: Tar12
My vote was no for several reasons. Pot is a gateway grug.Harmless? BS!Do we really need to legalize and make it even more readily available to our young ones? Do we really need to create a Walking Dead Head generation? I think not! For those of you who think that legalizing pot will have no bearing on pot usage have moved on from smoking pot to crack! Smoking pot has had a stigma attached to it and add to that the fact you could be doing time is a strong argument not to do it in a young persons mind!WHY would you want to increase the odds of failure for a young person? WHY? I want to hear your justification for this?


. This is exactly the reason that I have never tried any type of illegal drug in my life. Im not sure that I wouldn't have tried it if it was legal to adults and more redily available when I was a kid.


You learned the lesson of legal over the lesson of right/wrong? There are plenty of drugs that were legal while you were growing up - how did legality prevent your trying those?


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#3533308 - 01/06/14 09:30 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: trealtree]
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I am learning that most of the ones who are anti have no experience and are drinking the "reefer madness" koolaid.
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#3533325 - 01/06/14 09:35 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: DntBrnDPig]
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 Originally Posted By: DntBrnDPig
Looks like Colorado is expecting to put some 28 Million into the school systems from the taxes off this stuff..

28 million.



Wow, I can just hear the wallets of the local reps all the way up to the state level "fattening" up already. Be nice if the kids would benefit from it some, but I seriously doubt they will benefit much, if at all.
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#3533345 - 01/06/14 09:44 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: MUP]
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Exactly. Now they'll have enough money to put into their indoctrination funds.

This is my whole point. Everyone thinks the taxes made off of pot is going to save the planet. In reality, more fat-cat politicians will be able to do favors for their most 'invested' constituents.

CO residents taxes will continue to go up. Mark my word.
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#3533351 - 01/06/14 09:47 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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Exactly. Now they'll have enough money to put into their indoctrination funds.

This is my whole point. Everyone thinks the taxes made off of pot is going to save the planet. In reality, more fat-cat politicians will be able to do favors for their most 'invested' constituents.

CO residents taxes will continue to go up. Mark my word.


that's still better than financing the cartels. nobody says the taxes will save the world but with the billions wasted on eradication/incarceration and billions in tax revenue, it has to make some difference.
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#3533354 - 01/06/14 09:48 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: stik]
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/05/col...tcmp=latestnews
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#3533360 - 01/06/14 09:49 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: stik]
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Exactly. Now they'll have enough money to put into their indoctrination funds.

This is my whole point. Everyone thinks the taxes made off of pot is going to save the planet. In reality, more fat-cat politicians will be able to do favors for their most 'invested' constituents.

CO residents taxes will continue to go up. Mark my word.


that's still better than financing the cartels. nobody says the taxes will save the world but with the billions wasted on eradication/incarceration and billions in tax revenue, it has to make some difference.


I agree with that
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#3533362 - 01/06/14 09:50 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: stik]
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 Originally Posted By: stik
I am learning that most of the ones who are anti have no experience and are drinking the "reefer madness" koolaid.


Wrong.

I tried it a little over 40 years ago when I was in my late teens. After a few times I decided I didn't want it any more.

I also posted what happened to member of my family when one married a pot smoker and how much it ended up costing us. NEVER AGAIN!!!
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#3533370 - 01/06/14 09:55 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Big Ben]
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No doubt this is a bad incident, but I suspect this type of thing has been happening for a long time - just didn't make the news because it wasn't sensational enough at the time. It's not like this stuff is new. The end result of this story is the kid slept it off.

And the tax revenue is actually 67 million with 28 going towards schools. So while part of that 67 is undoubtedly getting dispersed as part of backroom deals, the 28 IS going to schools.
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#3533372 - 01/06/14 09:56 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: stik]
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 Originally Posted By: Pic IN the Casa
Exactly. Now they'll have enough money to put into their indoctrination funds.

This is my whole point. Everyone thinks the taxes made off of pot is going to save the planet. In reality, more fat-cat politicians will be able to do favors for their most 'invested' constituents.

CO residents taxes will continue to go up. Mark my word.


that's still better than financing the cartels. nobody says the taxes will save the world but with the billions wasted on eradication/incarceration and billions in tax revenue, it has to make some difference.


Actually I believe we would be much better off with LESS tax revenue. America is still stuck in the faulty thinking that giving government MORE money will somehow make it less dysfunctional and harmful.

That is false. Government should be on a starvation diet. Let Americans keep their own money. Then we would have enough to make our own decisions like smoking pot then paying for rehab. \:D \:D
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#3533377 - 01/06/14 09:57 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: fishboy1]
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This is state government money... But I get your point.
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#3533381 - 01/06/14 09:58 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Wildcat]
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There are a few posts calling for PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLEY.

What a JOKE!!!

Look at the top one, Pot Smoker in Chief, since when has he EVER accepted personally responsibility?????

Look around at all the posts complaining about people NOT accepting personally responsibility for anything??? Their dogs?? Their land, their hunting??????? Anything??

Saying people will accept personal responsibility smoking pot is total BS and a joke that they said back in the 1960's. So far NOBODY has.

NOBODY is going to accept personal responsibility unless they are FORCED to, In some cases it requires a lawsuit to force them to accept personal responsibility.
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#3533383 - 01/06/14 10:00 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: stik
I am learning that most of the ones who are anti have no experience and are drinking the "reefer madness" koolaid.


Wrong.

I tried it a little over 40 years ago when I was in my late teens. After a few times I decided I didn't want it any more.

I also posted what happened to member of my family when one married a pot smoker and how much it ended up costing us. NEVER AGAIN!!!


I said most, not all.
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#3533391 - 01/06/14 10:03 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: stik
I am learning that most of the ones who are anti have no experience and are drinking the "reefer madness" koolaid.


Wrong.

I tried it a little over 40 years ago when I was in my late teens. After a few times I decided I didn't want it any more.

I also posted what happened to member of my family when one married a pot smoker and how much it ended up costing us. NEVER AGAIN!!!


So not that addictive or a gateway drug....
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#3533406 - 01/06/14 10:08 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Wildcat]
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 Originally Posted By: Wildcat
 Originally Posted By: stik
I am learning that most of the ones who are anti have no experience and are drinking the "reefer madness" koolaid.


Wrong.

I tried it a little over 40 years ago when I was in my late teens. After a few times I decided I didn't want it any more.

I also posted what happened to member of my family when one married a pot smoker and how much it ended up costing us. NEVER AGAIN!!!


Know a lady who just sold her daycare after 12 years.
Few of the parents would drop of their kids in the morning and head home to smoke away the day, collect their unemployment, the whole 9.
Daycare would close at 6, and sure enough they'd roll in at 6:15 or so reaking of pot.

State would reimburse the daycare the fees for their kids as well as meals since the parents had no "taxable income".
She always felt bad and hated to see the kids leave for home.

Are all like that? Of course not.

But if one wants to play the gov't intrusion card, then personal responsibility needs to run full circle imo.




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#3533408 - 01/06/14 10:09 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: leader]
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If anyone thinks legalizing pot will magically make people more responsible for their actions you are probably high right now.

We're too far gone as a country. Making people responsible would cause riots in the streets.

Legalizing pot, at least to the left, has NOTHING to do with freedom. It's just another carrot to keep their constituency on the plantation. No different than food stamps, Obamaphones and Kenya care. Create more apathy with gifts and they'll always vote democrat.
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#3533418 - 01/06/14 10:14 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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If anyone thinks legalizing pot will magically make people more responsible for their actions you are probably high right now.

We're too far gone as a country. Making people responsible would cause riots in the streets.

Legalizing pot, at least to the left, has NOTHING to do with freedom. It's just another carrot to keep their constituency on the plantation. No different than food stamps, Obamaphones and Kenya care. Create more apathy with gifts and they'll always vote democrat.


I just made a post about the same thing on the last page and they still try to make people believe that people WILL accept personal responsibly. Maybe it's because they live in the clouds most of the time.
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#3533507 - 01/06/14 11:02 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Wildcat]
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Let's see... libs want to ban guns,tobacco,fattening foods,big gulps, prayer in school. And, they're ok with abortion, the war on Christianity, and capitalism, but think pot is ok? It's about MONEY. Only idiots would pay $400 an ounce. It is no harder to grow than tobacco. Look for bootleg dealers to undercut the states high prices soon.
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#3533530 - 01/06/14 11:19 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: dr]
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 Originally Posted By: dr
Let's see... libs want to ban guns,tobacco,fattening foods,big gulps, prayer in school. And, they're ok with abortion, the war on Christianity, and capitalism, but think pot is ok? It's about MONEY. Only idiots would pay $400 an ounce. It is no harder to grow than tobacco. Look for bootleg dealers to undercut the states high prices soon.


I couldn't give a rats rear end what a Lib wants - or for that matter what anyone else "wants" myself. This is about whether or not we should Employ the government to tell us "No, don't do that, it's bad for you", or not.

Now, sensible common sense thought tells me this:

* If what I'm doing only effects Me, physically (let's leave family emotional effects out of this) then that should be my business Only
* If what I'm doing effects others - then the rules change. Abortion, unless needed to save the mother, is murder and should be punishable as such...easy. Guns are inanimate objects incapable of causing harm on their own, as is food, soft drinks, drugs, tobacco etc. Christianity is a TOUGH one... This country was founded on that basis, and I believe its the ONLY way to avoid hell after this short life, however - is it really lawful to expect children to pray at school if they are not taught that at home? What I believe there is that schools need some "alternate time" set aside for kids to choose from a few "electives" - maybe 15 minutes of study hall or 15 minutes of library or 15 minutes in a room/chapel set aside for prayer. I would sure have mine going to the prayer room but there would be fair and alternate choices for the other kids. If they want to go the library and seek out budda then so be it.

Point is, some choices are rightfully ours to make, or should be, and some are not. IMO, the ones that affect only Our person should be ours whereas the ones that affect others should be managed.
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#3533567 - 01/06/14 11:45 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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I see where my comments got people off base.

There is no need for government to FORCE people to take responsibility. That is simply MORE government directed down a different path.

The answer is simple and clear.
If we want freedom of choice, then government needs to get out of our lives as much as possible.
It SHOULD be a package deal.

That means no more propping up our choices with other peoples money. No more mandating we accept and accommodate other peoples choices we disagree with.

Without government supporting bad behavior, the drug problem would MOSTLY go away. Yes, there would likely be opium dens and other gutters for people to fall into. Some segment of the population WOULD crash and burn or hit rock bottom and get sober. How is that different than now?

I believe there would be a lot LESS of it. Being a druggie would regain a negative stigma. Without oodles of free cash/housing/food/medical people would again have to make choices. Food/housing/transportation or drugs.

Having to make choices and be responsible for the outcome is what turns children into adults.



Edited by fishboy1 (01/06/14 11:46 AM)
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#3533571 - 01/06/14 11:49 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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Kimber- I tend to agree with you on a lot of what you say.

However, unless you are a hermit it isn't ONLY affecting you. If a pot smoker has kids, it's affecting them. If they have a job, it's potentially affecting that. If you drive a vehicle it can potentially affect everyone on the road. And on and on and on.

By everyones very words of "if I'm at my own house..." leads us to believe that laws will be created to keep pot smokers at home and off the streets. Is that freedom?

Do you really believe that everyone is automatically going to stay at home once they've smoked a bowl?

And if it's about freedom, why should they have to stay home? Why can't they drive around? Why can't they get high at work? Why can't a man marry his daughter? His dog?
What some call freedom is actually anarchy.
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#3533572 - 01/06/14 11:49 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: fishboy1]
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 Originally Posted By: fishboy1
I see where my comments got people off base.

There is no need for government to FORCE people to take responsibility. That is simply MORE government directed down a different path.

The answer is simple and clear.
If we want freedom of choice, then government needs to get out of our lives as much as possible.
It SHOULD be a package deal.

That means no more propping up our choices with other peoples money. No more mandating we accept and accommodate other peoples choices we disagree with.

Without government supporting bad behavior, the drug problem would MOSTLY go away. Yes, there would likely be opium dens and other gutters for people to fall into. Some segment of the population WOULD crash and burn or hit rock bottom and get sober. How is that different than now?

I believe there would be a lot LESS of it. Being a druggie would regain a negative stigma. Without oodles of free cash/housing/food/medical people would again have to make choices. Food/housing/transportation or drugs.

Having to make choices and be responsible for the outcome is what turns children into adults.



So 90% of American are still children since 90% will NEVER accept responsibly for their actions unless FORCED to.
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#3533580 - 01/06/14 11:52 AM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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And when I say you I don't mean you personally. I'm generalizing.
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#3533600 - 01/06/14 12:05 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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"I couldn't give a rats rear end what a Lib wants - or for that matter what anyone else "wants" myself. This is about whether or not we should Employ the government to tell us "No, don't do that, it's bad for you", or not"

Lighten up Peace maker. So do you want the govt. to allow you, and everyone else to smoke meth if they choose? What other drugs are ok? Actions have consequences, and I don't want to encounter more meth, crack heads than we already have. And, a lot of what we do has an effect on others, especially children.

My "Point Is" Colorado has not made pot legal out of respect for anyone's freedom, but because they see it as a big cash cow.
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#3533717 - 01/06/14 01:05 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: dr]
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BINGO!

Every time I post something similar I am told I loathe freedom.
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#3533722 - 01/06/14 01:07 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: stik]
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Not sure why a few of you don't think people do take personal responsibility for their own actions. For example:

I own a gun but don't drive down the road shooting signs.
100 million or more women in this country and I am faithful to 1.
I can enjoy a glass of wine or two or a couple of beers at dinner and drive home fine.
There is gas in my car yet I am not sniffing it.
Paint cans in my garage; not huffing them.
I have a vehicle capable of 135 miles an hour, yet I don't speed (excessively).
Therefore, I can smoke a bowl without effecting anyone but myself.
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#3533729 - 01/06/14 01:13 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: dr]
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 Originally Posted By: dr





"I couldn't give a rats rear end what a Lib wants - or for that matter what anyone else "wants" myself. This is about whether or not we should Employ the government to tell us "No, don't do that, it's bad for you", or not"

Lighten up Peace maker. So do you want the govt. to allow you, and everyone else to smoke meth if they choose? What other drugs are ok? Actions have consequences, and I don't want to encounter more meth, crack heads than we already have. And, a lot of what we do has an effect on others, especially children.

My "Point Is" Colorado has not made pot legal out of respect for anyone's freedom, but because they see it as a big cash cow.


You're correct... My argument for "legal" would in no way be in the thieving form CO has setup. It would be in the form of - if you want it grow it in your garden - that's the "legal" that should be.

Again, I'm not a fan of a druggie of any kind - from the ones who steal from our homes to buy it to the ones who lobby in government settings to setup legal thievery as they have in CO.

I just loathe the thought of a bunch of crooked Prozac ridden drunkards telling me what I have to do to protect myself and then sending me a bill for the costs of patrolling it.. makes me sick
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#3533737 - 01/06/14 01:17 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: FLTENNHUNTER1]
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 Originally Posted By: FLTENNHUNTER1
Not sure why a few of you don't think people do take personal responsibility for their own actions. For example:

I own a gun but don't drive down the road shooting signs.
100 million or more women in this country and I am faithful to 1.
I can enjoy a glass of wine or two or a couple of beers at dinner and drive home fine.
There is gas in my car yet I am not sniffing it.
Paint cans in my garage; not huffing them.
I have a vehicle capable of 135 miles an hour, yet I don't speed (excessively).
Therefore, I can smoke a bowl without effecting anyone but myself.


Well stated and I totally agree with this viewpoint.
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#3533738 - 01/06/14 01:17 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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 Originally Posted By: Kimber45
 Originally Posted By: dr


"I couldn't give a rats rear end what a Lib wants - or for that matter what anyone else "wants" myself. This is about whether or not we should Employ the government to tell us "No, don't do that, it's bad for you", or not"

Lighten up Peace maker. So do you want the govt. to allow you, and everyone else to smoke meth if they choose? What other drugs are ok? Actions have consequences, and I don't want to encounter more meth, crack heads than we already have. And, a lot of what we do has an effect on others, especially children.

My "Point Is" Colorado has not made pot legal out of respect for anyone's freedom, but because they see it as a big cash cow.


You're correct... My argument for "legal" would in no way be in the thieving form CO has setup. It would be in the form of - if you want it grow it in your garden - that's the "legal" that should be.

Again, I'm not a fan of a druggie of any kind - from the ones who steal from our homes to buy it to the ones who lobby in government settings to setup legal thievery as they have in CO.

I just loathe the thought of a bunch of crooked Prozac ridden drunkards telling me what I have to do to protect myself and then sending me a bill for the costs of patrolling it.. makes me sick

Dr there's a short list of things that make my blood boil - ppl asking for the government to help us protect ourselves FROM ourselves is on that list.
Oh and Yes - the government has NO business at all in what I choose to do to myself.... We are responsible for ourselves. What sense does it make to have the absolute most crooked organization in the nation, telling us how to protect ourselves and then fining us or imprisoning us if/when we do harm, to ourselves If that's OK then they really should tell us how big of a Coke to drink and how many calories to have per day etc. Heck maybe we are all imbecilic and need the guidance of thieves.... yet I don't think so \:\)
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#3533757 - 01/06/14 01:23 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Pic IN the Casa]
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Kimber- I tend to agree with you on a lot of what you say.

However, unless you are a hermit it isn't ONLY affecting you. If a pot smoker has kids, it's affecting them. If they have a job, it's potentially affecting that. If you drive a vehicle it can potentially affect everyone on the road. And on and on and on.

By everyones very words of "if I'm at my own house..." leads us to believe that laws will be created to keep pot smokers at home and off the streets. Is that freedom?

Do you really believe that everyone is automatically going to stay at home once they've smoked a bowl?

And if it's about freedom, why should they have to stay home? Why can't they drive around? Why can't they get high at work? Why can't a man marry his daughter? His dog?
What some call freedom is actually anarchy.


Well Said!
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#3533791 - 01/06/14 01:45 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: trealtree]
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 Originally Posted By: Pic IN the Casa
Kimber- I tend to agree with you on a lot of what you say.

However, unless you are a hermit it isn't ONLY affecting you. If a pot smoker has kids, it's affecting them. If they have a job, it's potentially affecting that. If you drive a vehicle it can potentially affect everyone on the road. And on and on and on.

By everyones very words of "if I'm at my own house..." leads us to believe that laws will be created to keep pot smokers at home and off the streets. Is that freedom?

Do you really believe that everyone is automatically going to stay at home once they've smoked a bowl?

And if it's about freedom, why should they have to stay home? Why can't they drive around? Why can't they get high at work? Why can't a man marry his daughter? His dog?
What some call freedom is actually anarchy.


Well Said!


Your kids, Your families problem... My kids, My families problem (in terms of how it effects us emotionally) - now that we've solved that since government shouldn't be protecting our "emotional trauma" how You perform at work is between You and Your Employer - simply meet the criteria or move on is how I see it.
As far as effecting folks on the road - people smoke pot NOW....so will they be Higher if its legal to have..? I don't think so and if so, we should get off our pansy backsides and vote in officials who believe in capital punishment - stiffer penalties for those who, drive under the influence, steal, rape, kidnap, murder etc...
When we truly physically hurt someone else, we should PAY in a big-way. Hurting ourselves however should in no way fall under anyone's jurisdiction but our own especially considering the cost vs the saddening cruddy results of decades of trying.
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#3533803 - 01/06/14 01:52 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: RUGER]
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I do not partake in the smokin' of the weed but I do support the legalization, regulation and taxation of it. I think it is less harmful and less addicting than alcohol is any day. Not safe by any means but not as dangerous as alcohol.
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#3533853 - 01/06/14 02:26 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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 Originally Posted By: Kimber45
 Originally Posted By: dr


"I couldn't give a rats rear end what a Lib wants - or for that matter what anyone else "wants" myself. This is about whether or not we should Employ the government to tell us "No, don't do that, it's bad for you", or not"

Lighten up Peace maker. So do you want the govt. to allow you, and everyone else to smoke meth if they choose? What other drugs are ok? Actions have consequences, and I don't want to encounter more meth, crack heads than we already have. And, a lot of what we do has an effect on others, especially children.

My "Point Is" Colorado has not made pot legal out of respect for anyone's freedom, but because they see it as a big cash cow.


You're correct... My argument for "legal" would in no way be in the thieving form CO has setup. It would be in the form of - if you want it grow it in your garden - that's the "legal" that should be.

Again, I'm not a fan of a druggie of any kind - from the ones who steal from our homes to buy it to the ones who lobby in government settings to setup legal thievery as they have in CO.

I just loathe the thought of a bunch of crooked Prozac ridden drunkards telling me what I have to do to protect myself and then sending me a bill for the costs of patrolling it.. makes me sick

Dr there's a short list of things that make my blood boil - ppl asking for the government to help us protect ourselves FROM ourselves is on that list.
Oh and Yes - the government has NO business at all in what I choose to do to myself.... We are responsible for ourselves. What sense does it make to have the absolute most crooked organization in the nation, telling us how to protect ourselves and then fining us or imprisoning us if/when we do harm, to ourselves If that's OK then they really should tell us how big of a Coke to drink and how many calories to have per day etc. Heck maybe we are all imbecilic and need the guidance of thieves.... yet I don't think so \:\)

I don't ask the govt. to manage my life, or dictate my freedom. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of the state of Colorado for legalizing a drug based on anticipated revenue.
Some seem to think this is a personal rights victory, while I'm worried about many more important rights being taken away. If the people responsible for this were concerned about freedom they wouldn't charge $400 an oz. for a weed.
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#3533867 - 01/06/14 02:36 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: dr]
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 Originally Posted By: Kimber45
 Originally Posted By: Kimber45
 Originally Posted By: dr


"I couldn't give a rats rear end what a Lib wants - or for that matter what anyone else "wants" myself. This is about whether or not we should Employ the government to tell us "No, don't do that, it's bad for you", or not"

Lighten up Peace maker. So do you want the govt. to allow you, and everyone else to smoke meth if they choose? What other drugs are ok? Actions have consequences, and I don't want to encounter more meth, crack heads than we already have. And, a lot of what we do has an effect on others, especially children.

My "Point Is" Colorado has not made pot legal out of respect for anyone's freedom, but because they see it as a big cash cow.


You're correct... My argument for "legal" would in no way be in the thieving form CO has setup. It would be in the form of - if you want it grow it in your garden - that's the "legal" that should be.

Again, I'm not a fan of a druggie of any kind - from the ones who steal from our homes to buy it to the ones who lobby in government settings to setup legal thievery as they have in CO.

I just loathe the thought of a bunch of crooked Prozac ridden drunkards telling me what I have to do to protect myself and then sending me a bill for the costs of patrolling it.. makes me sick

Dr there's a short list of things that make my blood boil - ppl asking for the government to help us protect ourselves FROM ourselves is on that list.
Oh and Yes - the government has NO business at all in what I choose to do to myself.... We are responsible for ourselves. What sense does it make to have the absolute most crooked organization in the nation, telling us how to protect ourselves and then fining us or imprisoning us if/when we do harm, to ourselves If that's OK then they really should tell us how big of a Coke to drink and how many calories to have per day etc. Heck maybe we are all imbecilic and need the guidance of thieves.... yet I don't think so \:\)

I don't ask the govt. to manage my life, or dictate my freedom. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of the state of Colorado for legalizing a drug based on anticipated revenue.
Some seem to think this is a personal rights victory, while I'm worried about many more important rights being taken away. If the people responsible for this were concerned about freedom they wouldn't charge $400 an oz. for a weed.


I agree. Point is they made it legal in CO but only provided they buy it, from the government
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#3533980 - 01/06/14 03:37 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Dbllunger]
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I do not partake in the smokin' of the weed but I do support the legalization, regulation and taxation of it. I think it is less harmful and less addicting than alcohol is any day. Not safe by any means but not as dangerous as alcohol.




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#3534046 - 01/06/14 04:06 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: in the dog house!]
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#3534050 - 01/06/14 04:07 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: in the dog house!]
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I'm starting to look forward to the next one buck limit thread.
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#3534055 - 01/06/14 04:09 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: gator-n-buck]
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Come on sissygator, what do you think about it being legal? \:D
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#3534065 - 01/06/14 04:14 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: RUGER]
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Maybe once pot is legal, EVERYONE will become a gators fan!!

\:D

Reminds me of a joke.
"what did the deadhead say when he ran out pot?"

"Hey man, this music really DOES suck"

\:D
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#3534113 - 01/06/14 04:35 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Crappie Luck]
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 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
Maybe once pot is legal, EVERYONE will become a gators fan!!

\:D

Reminds me of a joke.
"what did the deadhead say when he ran out pot?"

"Hey man, this music really DOES suck"

\:D


I think all the guys taking a puff are Vol fans.... Who would want to here Rocky Top 45 times in a 4 hour period..... \:D

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#3534116 - 01/06/14 04:36 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: gator-n-buck]
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Once it's openned..... It can not be closed. I'm not going to debate this subject since it would be a total waste of time.



And debating UT vs UF isn't?
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#3534138 - 01/06/14 04:48 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: Kimber45]
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My vote was no for several reasons. Pot is a gateway grug.Harmless? BS!Do we really need to legalize and make it even more readily available to our young ones? Do we really need to create a Walking Dead Head generation? I think not! For those of you who think that legalizing pot will have no bearing on pot usage have moved on from smoking pot to crack! Smoking pot has had a stigma attached to it and add to that the fact you could be doing time is a strong argument not to do it in a young persons mind!WHY would you want to increase the odds of failure for a young person? WHY? I want to hear your justification for this?


Don't take this personally because the question is to make a point, but is the government yours or your families daddy?
Doing or not doing drugs - that Lesson is on US as parents then its on US as adults once we are consenting adults. NOBODY in their right mind will say Pot or ANY drug is good for us! DRUGS - ALL DRUGS have side effects and are not candy yet the shelves are full of chemicals you can sniff, snort, smoke etc and we trust that folks will use them accordingly and NOT to hurt themselves however if they use them to hurt themselves, that's on THEM not the Government. In no way-shape-form-fashion is the government our daddy nor should they EVER be put in a position to act as such. Just makes no sense at all - and arguments about drugs effects on us have NO bearing on legalization of more ways that We can harm Ourselves


Kimber nothing personally taken here and I do understand your view point BUT my point was/is that young children are not capable of making the right decisions. As far as that goes neither are some adults.I just dont see how legalizing pot and flooding the streets with it will do anything to help young people grow and prosper into adult hood.Do we need more goverment in our lives? No! I agree with you on that but what is the answer? You can be raised properly and TRY to raise them right YET some scum bag gets to them. What is the lesser of the 2 evils? Our goverment or drugs?

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#3534215 - 01/06/14 05:33 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: de novo]
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 Originally Posted By: gator-n-buck
Once it's openned..... It can not be closed. I'm not going to debate this subject since it would be a total waste of time.



And debating UT vs UF isn't?


Nope... Never seen debating UT vs FL mess up lives.... Like I stated, what would I know about the subject since i'm an expert in the field.... \:\)

Life's to short to debate on a subject where there are already parties with their own agendas.... \:\)

When you have had a 10 year old kid walk outside and pull out an ounce of weed from the front of his pants and hand it to you because his dad was afraid to sell it. You can give me your opinion.... \:\)

Oh... That kid is in prison now.


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#3534230 - 01/06/14 05:41 PM Re: Pot legal or not [Re: gator-n-buck]
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 Originally Posted By: gator-n-buck
 Originally Posted By: Crappie Luck
Maybe once pot is legal, EVERYONE will become a gators fan!!

\:D

Reminds me of a joke.
"what did the deadhead say when he ran out pot?"

"Hey man, this music really DOES suck"

\:D

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