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#3524779 - 12/31/13 07:52 PM ASA Pro Ams
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Who all is planning on attending any Pro Ams this year ? If so list up which ones your going to and maybe we can all meet up .

I'm going to Florida , Benning , the new Alabama venue , and Kentucky . Won't be able to go to Illinois this year since my wife is due on that weekend \:\)


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#3524821 - 12/31/13 08:19 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: bowhunter163]
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Florida and the Classic.

I did not enjoy the Kentucky shoot even though it was probably the closest one to me. I love the Florida shoot though.

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#3524848 - 12/31/13 08:37 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: Crow Terminator]
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 Originally Posted By: Crow Terminator
Florida and the Classic.

I did not enjoy the Kentucky shoot even though it was probably the closest one to me. I love the Florida shoot though.
you should try and go to benning . It's a fun shoot .
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#3524887 - 12/31/13 09:06 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: bowhunter163]
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Naw, I'm saving my vacation for 2014. I used almost all my vac in 2013 on archery shoots. I'm just gonna go to the two I know for sure I liked, and save the vacation for a trip out west.
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#3525068 - 01/01/14 01:27 AM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: Crow Terminator]
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#3525138 - 01/01/14 06:57 AM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: bowhunter163]
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 Originally Posted By: bowhunter163
Who all is planning on attending any Pro Ams this year ? If so list up which ones your going to and maybe we can all meet up .

I'm going to Florida , Benning , the new Alabama venue , and Kentucky . Won't be able to go to Illinois this year since my wife is due on that weekend \:\)


we've been to ASA shoots at ft. benning before. Illinois was always our favorite but we haven't been in a couple of years.
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#3525700 - 01/01/14 02:12 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: TNDeerGuy]
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#3525737 - 01/01/14 02:57 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: UTGrad]
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The lord willing and the creek don't rise I am going to try to make all 7 of the ASA Pro/Am!

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#3525749 - 01/01/14 03:07 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: DixieCrafter]
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 Originally Posted By: DixieCrafter
The lord willing and the creek don't rise I am going to try to make all 7 of the ASA Pro/Am!
that's impressive . I was going to all of them except Texas and then the wife got pregnant and she is due the week of illinois
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#3526407 - 01/01/14 10:22 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: bowhunter163]
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 Originally Posted By: bowhunter163
 Originally Posted By: DixieCrafter
The lord willing and the creek don't rise I am going to try to make all 7 of the ASA Pro/Am!
that's impressive . I was going to all of them except Texas and then the wife got pregnant and she is due the week of illinois


You know how life kinda jumps up from time to time to throw a monkey wrench in the best of plans! Sorta like the wife getting pregnant?

Just remember this ancient Chinese proverb: Spooning leads to forking!
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#3526552 - 01/02/14 05:56 AM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: DixieCrafter]
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Hahahaha
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#3526635 - 01/02/14 07:22 AM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: bowhunter163]
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 Originally Posted By: bowhunter163
then the wife got pregnant and she is due the week of illinois


LOL you said that like you didn't have any thing to do with it...like she came down with the flu or something on her own. Hahah. That's what those cold and rainy days/nights do for ya right there.

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#3526652 - 01/02/14 07:37 AM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: Crow Terminator]
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 Originally Posted By: Crow Terminator
 Originally Posted By: bowhunter163
then the wife got pregnant and she is due the week of illinois


LOL you said that like you didn't have any thing to do with it...like she came down with the flu or something on her own. Hahah. That's what those cold and rainy days/nights do for ya right there.
lol It's more like a demonic possession and flu combo . 9 months of crazy woman mixed with a little projectile vomiting and a slight hint of happiness every once in a while ;\)
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#3526961 - 01/02/14 10:26 AM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: bowhunter163]
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#3528074 - 01/02/14 07:36 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: UTGrad]
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I'm really hoping to at least go to KY and Metropolis. Illinois is my absolute favorite and I miss my archery buddies.
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#3528179 - 01/02/14 08:13 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: Bowdacious]
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 Originally Posted By: Bowdacious
I'm really hoping to at least go to KY and Metropolis. Illinois is my absolute favorite and I miss my archery buddies.
I really like metropolis , maybe I can get the wife induced before then lol
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#3528636 - 01/03/14 07:35 AM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: Crow Terminator]
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 Originally Posted By: Crow Terminator
Florida and the Classic.

I did not enjoy the Kentucky shoot even though it was probably the closest one to me. I love the Florida shoot though.


What was wrong with KY? Didn't you like the extreme uphill and downhill shots in the rain and the fog? Or did you shoot the powerline?

The take I gather from some of the really seasoned ASA shooters, they said that this years London shoot was set up the hardest and easiest they had ever seen! Open B and K45 shot the same ranges I think and these shooters had the same story Range F the hardest they'd seen and K range the easiest with 11-12 targets at 33 yds.

I know I didn't really appreciate the 8 I shot on the 43-44 yard steep uphill javelina, in the fog no less!
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#3528763 - 01/03/14 09:02 AM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: DixieCrafter]
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I will be at Metropolis for sure. Dont know about any others yet.
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#3528769 - 01/03/14 09:05 AM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: DixieCrafter]
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I shot on the powerline. The shots themselves weren't hard at all. I just didn't like the venue itself. IMO it was ran more like what I would expect a state level shoot to be, instead of a national level Pro/Am. The biggest gripe I actually had, wasn't the walking up and down the power line...it was the Pro's and Semi Pros that got me. They got to drive to their ranges on the power line, instead of walking like the rest of us...and they went right through the middle of all the spectators and shooters already on the other ranges. They kicked up quite a dust storm on all of us and didn't seem to care enough to slow down at all to keep the dust to a minimum. I had on a white shirt before they came through and by the time they all drove past us, my shirt was red/orange from dirt. One even had his radio blasting the whole way down through there, but I read on ArcheryTalk that ASA did DQ him for doing that.
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#3529223 - 01/03/14 03:12 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: Crow Terminator]
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 Originally Posted By: Crow Terminator
I shot on the powerline. The shots themselves weren't hard at all. I just didn't like the venue itself. IMO it was ran more like what I would expect a state level shoot to be, instead of a national level Pro/Am. The biggest gripe I actually had, wasn't the walking up and down the power line...it was the Pro's and Semi Pros that got me. They got to drive to their ranges on the power line, instead of walking like the rest of us...and they went right through the middle of all the spectators and shooters already on the other ranges. They kicked up quite a dust storm on all of us and didn't seem to care enough to slow down at all to keep the dust to a minimum. I had on a white shirt before they came through and by the time they all drove past us, my shirt was red/orange from dirt. One even had his radio blasting the whole way down through there, but I read on ArcheryTalk that ASA did DQ him for doing that.



I have heard these exact words repeated many times and I agree with you!


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#3529710 - 01/03/14 08:30 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: DixieCrafter]
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So y'all are saying the pros had golf carts and everyone else walked up and down hills?

That's unfair IMO, especially considering how the heart rate affects pin float and holding steady. Must be nice to keep the heart a smooth 80 bpm during a shoot instead of having pulse spikes due to going up an down hills.

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#3529734 - 01/03/14 08:43 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: UTGrad]
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 Originally Posted By: UTGrad
So y'all are saying the pros had golf carts and everyone else walked up and down hills?

That's unfair IMO, especially considering how the heart rate affects pin float and holding steady. Must be nice to keep the heart a smooth 80 bpm during a shoot instead of having pulse spikes due to going up an down hills.
No the pros got to drive back to there range , while we had to walk to ours . They drove their vehicles through our range while we were in the middle of our round . The road through our range was so dry , they kicked up ALOT of dust and made it hard to even see the targets for a minute on one side of the range .

And the ranges at the ASA shoots are set up to where you don't have to do much walking once you are at your range . The next target is directly beside you most of the time , except when you go from one side to the other . So most of the time heart rates don't come into play unless your nervous .

But actually walking to get to your range is usually an excursion of its own .


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#3529824 - 01/03/14 09:42 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: bowhunter163]
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10-4

I want to go to one this year if I can talk my wife into letting me go.

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#3529830 - 01/03/14 09:47 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: UTGrad]
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 Originally Posted By: UTGrad
10-4

I want to go to one this year if I can talk my wife into letting me go.
I would recommend the Ft. Benning shoot or Illinois .
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#3529836 - 01/03/14 09:58 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: bowhunter163]
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No golf carts...they drove their regular vehicles right down through the middle of the other ranges; shooters and spectators. Here is a pic showing how crowded it was on the power line that day.


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#3529856 - 01/03/14 10:25 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: Crow Terminator]
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That's awesome!!

It's like bow hunters Mecca lol

The pilgrimage lol

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#3529877 - 01/03/14 10:48 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: bowhunter163]
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 Originally Posted By: bowhunter163
 Originally Posted By: UTGrad
10-4

I want to go to one this year if I can talk my wife into letting me go.
I would recommend the Ft. Benning shoot or Illinois .


I haven't been to Benning, but the Illinois shoot is awesome—during and after the shoot.....casino anyone? \:\)
Plus, the Illinois shoot is closer to us here in Nashville. If you go, I highly recommend going up Friday and doing the team shoot.
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#3529879 - 01/03/14 10:49 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: Crow Terminator]
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What class do you guys shoot? I have a lot on me this year but I'm hoping to give it a try next year
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#3529880 - 01/03/14 10:49 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: Eric Kilby]
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I shoot Open C.
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#3529900 - 01/03/14 11:12 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: TNDeerGuy]
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Same power line just a little earlier before the start time . And I'm pretty sure there
Is Crow standing there on the right side in the blue shirt .



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#3530093 - 01/04/14 08:03 AM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: bowhunter163]
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#3530149 - 01/04/14 08:45 AM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: UTGrad]
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 Originally Posted By: UTGrad
10-4

I want to go to one this year if I can talk my wife into letting me go.




You are blessed to live close to most of these shoots and don't forget the IBO Winter Nat'l that's 20 mins out of Bowling Green!
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#3530170 - 01/04/14 08:55 AM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: TNDeerGuy]
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 Originally Posted By: TNDeerGuy
 Originally Posted By: bowhunter163
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10-4

I want to go to one this year if I can talk my wife into letting me go.
I would recommend the Ft. Benning shoot or Illinois .


I haven't been to Benning, but the Illinois shoot is awesome—during and after the shoot.....casino anyone? \:\)
Plus, the Illinois shoot is closer to us here in Nashville. If you go, I highly recommend going up Friday and doing the team shoot.


Metropolis is a great shoot even though it can be the hottest! Casino and driving your 12 pack guzzling buddies to meet their spouses and some other stuff in there that I cannot divulge!

OPEN C? What's up with that @#$%^&*()? You mean to tell me you are going to sandbag your way thru Open C and let them spoon feed you the yardage? Again? You can't win SOY there! Wanna borrow my rangefinder!
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#3530181 - 01/04/14 09:03 AM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: Eric Kilby]
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 Originally Posted By: Eric Kilby
What class do you guys shoot? I have a lot on me this year but I'm hoping to give it a try next year


What class? I shoot in the geezer open class aka Senior Open and it's the toughest and most cutthroat class out there. Why is that? When the Pro, Semi-Pros, Senior Pros, K50, and Open A can't keep up they slither into Senior Open! BTW, It's all unknown yardage class! There's no spoon fed yardage!
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#3530331 - 01/04/14 10:56 AM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: DixieCrafter]
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 Originally Posted By: DixieCrafter
 Originally Posted By: TNDeerGuy
 Originally Posted By: bowhunter163
 Originally Posted By: UTGrad
10-4

I want to go to one this year if I can talk my wife into letting me go.
I would recommend the Ft. Benning shoot or Illinois .


I haven't been to Benning, but the Illinois shoot is awesome—during and after the shoot.....casino anyone? \:\)
Plus, the Illinois shoot is closer to us here in Nashville. If you go, I highly recommend going up Friday and doing the team shoot.


Metropolis is a great shoot even though it can be the hottest! Casino and driving your 12 pack guzzling buddies to meet their spouses and some other stuff in there that I cannot divulge!

OPEN C? What's up with that @#$%^&*()? You mean to tell me you are going to sandbag your way thru Open C and let them spoon feed you the yardage? Again? You can't win SOY there! Wanna borrow my rangefinder!


Not going to comment on driving my beer guzzling 'lil buddy (I so hope you read this K...LOL) around so he can down a 12 pack in 10 minutes before he turns his two partners over to his wife....LOL.

Your assuming that I'm going to be able to shoot at all this year there grandpa! LOL So, yes if and when I'm able to go again I will be soaking up some Open C and probably won't be worth a crap because it will have been so long since I've shot there smarty-pants! It's been 3 months already ;\)
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#3530366 - 01/04/14 11:25 AM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: TNDeerGuy]
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 Originally Posted By: TNDeerGuy
 Originally Posted By: DixieCrafter
 Originally Posted By: TNDeerGuy
 Originally Posted By: bowhunter163
 Originally Posted By: UTGrad
10-4

I want to go to one this year if I can talk my wife into letting me go.
I would recommend the Ft. Benning shoot or Illinois .


I haven't been to Benning, but the Illinois shoot is awesome—during and after the shoot.....casino anyone? \:\)
Plus, the Illinois shoot is closer to us here in Nashville. If you go, I highly recommend going up Friday and doing the team shoot.


Metropolis is a great shoot even though it can be the hottest! Casino and driving your 12 pack guzzling buddies to meet their spouses and some other stuff in there that I cannot divulge!

OPEN C? What's up with that @#$%^&*()? You mean to tell me you are going to sandbag your way thru Open C and let them spoon feed you the yardage? Again? You can't win SOY there! Wanna borrow my rangefinder!


Not going to comment on driving my beer guzzling 'lil buddy (I so hope you read this K...LOL) around so he can down a 12 pack in 10 minutes before he turns his two partners over to his wife....LOL.

Your assuming that I'm going to be able to shoot at all this year there grandpa! LOL So, yes if and when I'm able to go again I will be soaking up some Open C and probably won't be worth a crap because it will have been so long since I've shot there smarty-pants! It's been 3 months already ;\)


Oops! My bad, I totally forgot about the injury! Sowee!
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#3530478 - 01/04/14 01:36 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: DixieCrafter]
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Hey now...I thought we were going to bow shooting tournaments...not yardage judging competitions. \:\) I like the format of putting folks on a level playing field with yardage and just letting the best shooters come to the top. No excuses for high or low misses \:\) It becomes a different game in itself when you put 4 or 5 really good shooters in a group together, and everybody knows the yardage and are shooting for the same score rings. There's no room for shooting 10s and taking whatever 12s you may get by accident. You gotta start shooting for 12s and hitting a bunch of them if you want top 10 in those classes. That's how I like it...it's all about the shooter and his/her strategy.

The route I have chosen is: Open C, K45, and then K50. I imagine its gonna take some awesome shooting for Open C this year...and it will take me forever to win out of K45 when I get there. I might as well say I'm gonna be parked in K45 for a while.

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#3530551 - 01/04/14 02:51 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: Crow Terminator]
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 Originally Posted By: Crow Terminator
Hey now...I thought we were going to bow shooting tournaments...not yardage judging competitions. \:\) I like the format of putting folks on a level playing field with yardage and just letting the best shooters come to the top. No excuses for high or low misses \:\) It becomes a different game in itself when you put 4 or 5 really good shooters in a group together, and everybody knows the yardage and are shooting for the same score rings. There's no room for shooting 10s and taking whatever 12s you may get by accident. You gotta start shooting for 12s and hitting a bunch of them if you want top 10 in those classes. That's how I like it...it's all about the shooter and his/her strategy.

The route I have chosen is: Open C, K45, and then K50. I imagine its gonna take some awesome shooting for Open C this year...and it will take me forever to win out of K45 when I get there. I might as well say I'm gonna be parked in K45 for a while.
Not to mention there isn't a stepping stone class anymore for judging . Have to go straight to Open B . I don't imagine myself shooting out of K45 for a long time .
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#3530611 - 01/04/14 04:06 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: bowhunter163]
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There's always Hunter class...it's still half known/half unknown. But that's probably a whole different setup than what you have in mind for K45 or Open B.

I tell ya what...I am still having a hard time with an open setup. I went back to my hunting sight setup and for some reason, can shoot that better. I may be rocking Open C and K45 with fixed pins lol

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#3530626 - 01/04/14 04:30 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: Crow Terminator]
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What class would a new guy wanna start off in?
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#3530638 - 01/04/14 04:43 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: Eric Kilby]
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 Originally Posted By: Eric Kilby
What class would a new guy wanna start off in?
bow novice for sure or hunter . Matter of fact , I should shoot novice again this year since I didn't technically win out last year lol
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#3530779 - 01/04/14 06:52 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: bowhunter163]
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 Originally Posted By: bowhunter163
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What class would a new guy wanna start off in?
bow novice for sure or hunter . Matter of fact , I should shoot novice again this year since I didn't technically win out last year lol


I would shoot Bow Novice if it was me and then go to Hunter or Open C
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#3530890 - 01/04/14 07:50 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: TNDeerGuy]
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 Originally Posted By: TNDeerGuy
 Originally Posted By: bowhunter163
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What class would a new guy wanna start off in?
bow novice for sure or hunter . Matter of fact , I should shoot novice again this year since I didn't technically win out last year lol


I would shoot Bow Novice if it was me and then go to Hunter or Open C
just don't wanna feel like a sandbagger .
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#3531012 - 01/04/14 08:58 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: bowhunter163]
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Honestly when I go to OHLBC I have to ask around what class I should shoot lol
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#3531231 - 01/05/14 12:00 AM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: UTGrad]
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If it was me...I wish I would have started in Bow Novice and worked my way up, instead of starting in hunter and then switching to Open C.
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#3531397 - 01/05/14 07:38 AM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: TNDeerGuy]
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What point do you leave Bow novice? My next shoot will be my 4th shoot. Am I bow novice?
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#3531452 - 01/05/14 08:28 AM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: UTGrad]
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You leave bow novice either when you want to, or when you win out of it. I would start in BN--its very competitive.
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#3531468 - 01/05/14 08:36 AM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: UTGrad]
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 Originally Posted By: UTGrad
What point do you leave Bow novice? My next shoot will be my 4th shoot. Am I bow novice?
It takes shooting 20 up per round to be competetive in Novice


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#3531945 - 01/05/14 02:22 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: bowhunter163]
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Cool...might try bow novice.

Are there stab and sight regs?


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#3532093 - 01/05/14 03:35 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: UTGrad]
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Yes , front stab has to be 12" or less and back stab can't come further than 6" behind the grip . Sights have to be fixed pin with no limit on the number .
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#3532119 - 01/05/14 03:52 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: bowhunter163]
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 Originally Posted By: bowhunter163
Yes , front stab has to be 12" or less and back stab can't come further than 6" behind the grip . Sights have to be fixed pin with no limit on the number .


I have a single pin slider so that would be an issue. Is it also known and unknown yardages?

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#3532428 - 01/05/14 06:25 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: bowhunter163]
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Yes , front stab has to be 12" or less and back stab can't come further than 6" behind the grip . Sights have to be fixed pin with no limit on the number .


And in addition, it's 280 FPS speed limit, and targets will be 30 yard max, all known yardage. They will hand out two pieces of paper to people in your group with the yardages on them just prior to starting the round. Most of the time these are correct. Some times they are not. It always pays to carry a rangefinder and when in doubt...shoot it with that.

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#3532456 - 01/05/14 06:35 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: Crow Terminator]
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Is there a % variance on the speed? I'm getting 281 fps currently.

Until I get the $$$ to get a better stab set up and more experience bow novice could be a good fit.

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#3532535 - 01/05/14 07:15 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: UTGrad]
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 Originally Posted By: UTGrad
Is there a % variance on the speed? I'm getting 281 fps currently.

Until I get the $$$ to get a better stab set up and more experience bow novice could be a good fit.
bow novice would be your best bet although the single pin would make it hard . I'm pretty sure you can shoot that sight but it has to be locked down and cannot be moved .
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#3532825 - 01/05/14 09:21 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: bowhunter163]
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Thanks BH163

I'm liking the sound of this Bow Novice class. Seems like a good fit.

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#3532834 - 01/05/14 09:28 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: bowhunter163]
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 Originally Posted By: bowhunter163
just don't wanna feel like a sandbagger .


you wouldn't be alone. novice class is full of them.
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#3532884 - 01/05/14 09:56 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: bowhunter163]
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 Originally Posted By: bowhunter163
 Originally Posted By: UTGrad
Is there a % variance on the speed? I'm getting 281 fps currently.

Until I get the $$$ to get a better stab set up and more experience bow novice could be a good fit.
bow novice would be your best bet although the single pin would make it hard . I'm pretty sure you can shoot that sight but it has to be locked down and cannot be moved .


He will have to change to a fixed pin sight, with no limit on pins, to shoot BN. A moveable pin sight of any type is not allowed per ASA rules. You could weld it where it couldn't move I guess and discuss it with the Competition Committee, but I still don't think I would do that.
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#3532891 - 01/05/14 10:00 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: TNDeerGuy]
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Yeah I'm not doing that lol
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#3533145 - 01/06/14 07:43 AM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: stik]
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 Originally Posted By: stik
[/quote]

you wouldn't be alone. novice class is full of them.


There ain't a way to sandbag in that class, unless you just really intentionally shoot low scores to stay in the class. It has a $300 immediate win out limit in a year, and doesn't have any S.O.Y. points. None of the bow companies that I know of, pay contengency $ for podium finishing in the class either. There's no reason why a super good shooter should want to stay in the class; and most certainly not a reason to throw their scores and intentionally shoot bad. It doesn't take winning 1st to knock you out either. I only shot three Pro/Ams in 2013 and I won out of the class. I had one podium finish...a 3rd. The closest I came to it again was at the Classic with a 7th place. Ironically, I got the same amount of $ for 7th as I did for 3rd...more shooters were at the Classic. I won $162 for 3rd and $162 for 7th. That pushed me over the $300 mark with just two top 10 finishes. So there's no way you can shoot in the top 10 of the class and stay in there. Unless like I say, a person is intentionally walking up and shooting 5s or 8s to keep their score down low enough to keep them out of money.

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#3533424 - 01/06/14 10:18 AM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: TNDeerGuy]
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 Originally Posted By: TNDeerGuy
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Is there a % variance on the speed? I'm getting 281 fps currently.

Until I get the $$$ to get a better stab set up and more experience bow novice could be a good fit.
bow novice would be your best bet although the single pin would make it hard . I'm pretty sure you can shoot that sight but it has to be locked down and cannot be moved .


He will have to change to a fixed pin sight, with no limit on pins, to shoot BN. A moveable pin sight of any type is not allowed per ASA rules. You could weld it where it couldn't move I guess and discuss it with the Competition Committee, but I still don't think I would do that.
I had to go look this up , I was almost positive you could keep it locked down . There is nothing in the rules saying you can have a movable sight and keep it locked down . So I would , like Andy said get a fixed pin sight . And sorry for the apparently false information .
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#3533443 - 01/06/14 10:28 AM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: bowhunter163]
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No worries. Honestly I don't have the $$$ to buy a sight just for bow novice class.

Can I hunt Hunter Class with a slider locked down?

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#3533555 - 01/06/14 11:34 AM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: UTGrad]
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 Originally Posted By: UTGrad
No worries. Honestly I don't have the $$$ to buy a sight just for bow novice class.

Can I hunt Hunter Class with a slider locked down?
they way the rules are written I don't think so . But maybe you can call the ASA office for clarification .
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#3533593 - 01/06/14 12:00 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: bowhunter163]
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You cannot—both BN and Hunter class have the same requirement—a fixed-pin sight that cannot be moved. Your only option would be one of the Open classes or K45 if you wanted to stay with a adjustable sight.
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#3533665 - 01/06/14 12:37 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: TNDeerGuy]
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 Originally Posted By: TNDeerGuy
You cannot—both BN and Hunter class have the same requirement—a fixed-pin sight that cannot be moved. Your only option would be one of the Open classes or K45 if you wanted to stay with a adjustable sight.

I just called the ASA office to verify and he said you can shoot a multi/ or single pin adjustable sight as long as it is locked down and is not moved . ( Although you will be at a disadvantage with a single pin) . They said to just make sure your group knows what you are doing and explain beforehand that it is not going to be moved , maybe even show them where it's set at the start . He also told me to tell UTGrad to set it at about 23-24 yards ;\) because that's around the average .

I knew I had heard that somewhere . I told them while I was on the phone that they needed to clarify that in the rules a little better .

Also he said if at anytime it comes out of adjustment , you cannot move it back . You will have to call a break down to go move it and then come back .


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#3533741 - 01/06/14 01:18 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: bowhunter163]
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You cannot—both BN and Hunter class have the same requirement—a fixed-pin sight that cannot be moved. Your only option would be one of the Open classes or K45 if you wanted to stay with a adjustable sight.

I just called the ASA office to verify and he said you can shoot a multi/ or single pin adjustable sight as long as it is locked down and is not moved . ( Although you will be at a disadvantage with a single pin) . They said to just make sure your group knows what you are doing and explain beforehand that it is not going to be moved , maybe even show them where it's set at the start . He also told me to tell UTGrad to set it at about 23-24 yards ;\) because that's around the average .

I knew I had heard that somewhere . I told them while I was on the phone that they needed to clarify that in the rules a little better .

Also he said if at anytime it comes out of adjustment , you cannot move it back . You will have to call a break down to go move it and then come back .


Good to know, but curious as to when they changed it. That is not what the National Director and a member of the Competition Committee has said in the past. I'm glad for UTG's sake that I was wrong and you were correct.
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#3533786 - 01/06/14 01:42 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: TNDeerGuy]
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 Originally Posted By: TNDeerGuy
 Originally Posted By: bowhunter163
 Originally Posted By: TNDeerGuy
You cannot—both BN and Hunter class have the same requirement—a fixed-pin sight that cannot be moved. Your only option would be one of the Open classes or K45 if you wanted to stay with a adjustable sight.

I just called the ASA office to verify and he said you can shoot a multi/ or single pin adjustable sight as long as it is locked down and is not moved . ( Although you will be at a disadvantage with a single pin) . They said to just make sure your group knows what you are doing and explain beforehand that it is not going to be moved , maybe even show them where it's set at the start . He also told me to tell UTGrad to set it at about 23-24 yards ;\) because that's around the average .

I knew I had heard that somewhere . I told them while I was on the phone that they needed to clarify that in the rules a little better .

Also he said if at anytime it comes out of adjustment , you cannot move it back . You will have to call a break down to go move it and then come back .


Good to know, but curious as to when they changed it. That is not what the National Director and a member of the Competition Committee has said in the past. I'm glad for UTG's sake that I was wrong and you were correct.
I'm not saying that you were wrong . Maybe you could call again and get a different answer , but the guy I talked to was .... Ahh . I forgot his name but its the guy that does all the announcing at the Pro Ams and award presentations .
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#3533991 - 01/06/14 03:43 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: bowhunter163]
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Great discussion. Bow sights are expensive these days so it would be nice if one can shoot their hunting sight locked down. If Bow Novice maxes at 30 yards than I don't see any problems shooting one pin. 40 yards can get tricky.
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#3534332 - 01/06/14 06:21 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: UTGrad]
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I used a CBE Tek Hybrid when I shot B.N. I had 3 pins on it and had the slider part of it locked down. You can indeed have them as long as you don't adjust them. Some guys have target sights with pin housings just for the extra length of the sight bar.
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#3534348 - 01/06/14 06:30 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: Crow Terminator]
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I used a CBE Tek Hybrid when I shot B.N. I had 3 pins on it and had the slider part of it locked down. You can indeed have them as long as you don't adjust them. Some guys have target sights with pin housings just for the extra length of the sight bar.


Yeah I was thinking of your sight in particular. The CBE Tek Hybrid is a multi pin slider. If you lock it down its just a multi pin sight. My Ascent is a single pin slider so asides from pin count no difference.

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#3535384 - 01/07/14 10:17 AM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: UTGrad]
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You can use that sight, you just can't move it. I have had buddies shoot hah 1 pins in bow novice.. just can't move it..

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#3536416 - 01/07/14 08:49 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: bowhunter163]
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[/quote] I'm not saying that you were wrong . Maybe you could call again and get a different answer , but the guy I talked to was .... Ahh . I forgot his name but its the guy that does all the announcing at the Pro Ams and award presentations . [/quote]

That would be Mike Terrrell that you spoke to, he is the OWNER of the ASA.

This from the ASA rules:
Open Classes: May use any compound or recurve bow, sight, release, stabilizer or equipment unless specifically prohibited in any other part of these rules, or by a ruling of the Competition Committee. Overdraws do not designate shoot class or shooting style. Sight type and/or release type is the determining factors for all non-Open classes.

TNDeerGuy is right, I have heard both the National Director of the ASA, Dee Falks, and a member of the competition committee, Roy Duncan say that you can't use a moveable sight in non-open classes. Furthermore in 99 out of 100 cases when you show up to register for most shoots that moveable sight on your bow will place you in an open class. If you mistakenly move the sight you risk being DQ'd! Why take the chance?

I agree that this rule needs further clarification and I will pursue this in hopes that the rule is further clarified!
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#3536532 - 01/07/14 10:40 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: DixieCrafter]
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Well that sucks lol
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#3536544 - 01/07/14 11:02 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: DixieCrafter]
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[/quote] I'm not saying that you were wrong . Maybe you could call again and get a different answer , but the guy I talked to was .... Ahh . I forgot his name but its the guy that does all the announcing at the Pro Ams and award presentations .


That would be Mike Terrrell that you spoke to, he is the OWNER of the ASA.

This from the ASA rules:
Open Classes: May use any compound or recurve bow, sight, release, stabilizer or equipment unless specifically prohibited in any other part of these rules, or by a ruling of the Competition Committee. Overdraws do not designate shoot class or shooting style. Sight type and/or release type is the determining factors for all non-Open classes.

TNDeerGuy is right, I have heard both the National Director of the ASA, Dee Falks, and a member of the competition committee, Roy Duncan say that you can't use a moveable sight in non-open classes. Furthermore in 99 out of 100 cases when you show up to register for most shoots that moveable sight on your bow will place you in an open class. If you mistakenly move the sight you risk being DQ'd! Why take the chance?

I agree that this rule needs further clarification and I will pursue this in hopes that the rule is further clarified![/quote]


I completely understand what the rule book says , and I too have heard it both ways . I was just relaying the information I got when I called the ASA office a few days ago . They said you can use it as long as you don't move it . They said you do run the risk of being DQ'ed if it is moved . But he said he can shoot at a pro am in the novice or hunter class although he would be at a disadvantage .


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#3536904 - 01/08/14 09:39 AM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: bowhunter163]
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There are a lot of sight manufacturers offering multi pin slider configurations. I'm thinking of going to a 3 pin slider. Wonder if ASA will reconsider in the future. I agree you shouldn't be able to adjust it during a shoot.
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#3536960 - 01/08/14 10:10 AM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: UTGrad]
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I shot a CBE Tek Hybrid, which is a slider sight and it had a housing that held fixed pins. I podium finished in Florida and they checked my bow, etc. No disqualification. So you CAN use the slider sights...as stated earlier, you just can't move them. They must be locked down.
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#3537073 - 01/08/14 11:07 AM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: Crow Terminator]
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You will be fine.... Just don't move it...If you go to a ASA shoot you will be hooked... Lol
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#3538348 - 01/09/14 05:29 AM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: UTGrad]
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 Originally Posted By: UTGrad
There are a lot of sight manufacturers offering multi pin slider configurations. I'm thinking of going to a 3 pin slider. Wonder if ASA will reconsider in the future. I agree you shouldn't be able to adjust it during a shoot.


There are lot of things manufactured....but they ain't all legal in all classes. There are some things you can't shoot even in an open class.

The next time you are at OHLBC, look up Roy Duncan. Everybody knows Roy! Roy, is one of (5) members of the competition committee that MAKE the rules and REVIEW and EDIT ASA rules, and review protests. Then look up Dee Falks the President of OHLBC and the National Director of the ASA. You can ask them about any of the rules and for clarification.

Most people who get really comfortable with a single pin slider have a hard time going back to a multi-pin sight picture and especially the older we get. Spot Hogg probably makes the best multi-pin slider out there!

There's always Open C to try................

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#3538500 - 01/09/14 08:01 AM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: DixieCrafter]
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#3538982 - 01/09/14 01:32 PM Re: ASA Pro Ams [Re: UTGrad]
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Used to take lessons from Dee
really??? How did that work out?
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