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#3515424 - 12/25/13 11:09 AM Re: Beat deer gun for youth? [Re: bbuck14]
duckriver
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Picked up a Ruger American 243 youth for the wife and kids. Shoots very well and seems very well built. Still prefer my 700 over it tho.
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#3515521 - 12/25/13 12:18 PM Re: Beat deer gun for youth? [Re: duckriver]
KPH
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I have a good friend who has used with his sons and now with his grand sons a Ruger rifle chambered in a 44Mag Doesn't kick bad and gets the job done. The one he uses us bolt action.
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#3521408 - 12/29/13 07:50 PM Re: Beat deer gun for youth? [Re: ]
jakeway
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30-30 is the most over-rated cartridge around. The only reason its killed more deer is because its older than everything except the Kentucky Rifle. And it still kicks a lot more than other cartridges. A .243 is way better for anyone, regardless of age. A 260 REM or 7mm-08 with reduced loads would be better for even the youngest hunter.

I picked up a Ruger M77 Compact in .243 with scope for $300 at a pawn shop a few years ago. My granddaughter has killed two deer with it, and I've killed two deer and a coyote with it. (I won't give anyone a gun to use if I wouldn't use it myself, so I carried it the first year before giving it to Valerie.)
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#3639855 - 04/09/14 06:24 AM Re: Beat deer gun for youth? [Re: bbuck14]
danny1975
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I still have my 243 when I was a kid , killed a lot of deer with it . My kids went to a 270 now and I use it as a yote gun now
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#3640357 - 04/09/14 02:27 PM Re: Beat deer gun for youth? [Re: danny1975]
PillsburyDoughboy
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A lever action 30-30 is probably one of the worst ideas for a youth that I can think of.

First of they are pretty heavy kickers for what they are. LOP on many of the models are pretty long at 14 inches. Many of the older models don't have recoil pads and the muzzle blast is pretty stout. Working the lever on a lever action can be a little tricky for a youngster too.

A short action bolt gun in small calibre has always been my suggestion. You can usually find a youth model or get a full size model and cut the stock down to fit LOP.

243 or 7mm 08 have been the classic cartridges. 6.5 Creedmore seems to be the modern trend if you are looking for something fresh. With TN adopting .223 a lightweight AR15 with a collapsible stock can make for a fun little cartridge with the proper bullet.

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#3640559 - 04/09/14 06:37 PM Re: Beat deer gun for youth? [Re: PillsburyDoughboy]
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7mm08 has almost 4 more lbs of kick than a 243,id rather a kid shoot a full house load 243 than a reduced 7mm08 any day of the week, pull up a site & look at felt recoil , no lies to tell with facts just bs being pushed on little kids, all kids are not the same, Id hate to make 1 gun shy because I give them more gun than they can take ,just my $.02 lol
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#3640573 - 04/09/14 06:55 PM Re: Beat deer gun for youth? [Re: mike243]
mike243
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http://www.accuratereloading.com/recoil.html
have a look & make some choices,
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#3640741 - 04/09/14 08:51 PM Re: Beat deer gun for youth? [Re: mike243]
PillsburyDoughboy
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My 10 year old sons first hunting gun was a 308 youth model Rem 700. We hand loaded up some 110 grain Barnes X Solid Copper bullets. He hunted with that load his first few years of hunting till he ran out of hand fodder.

I must say of all the deer he killed with that load none of them twitched after getting shot with them and they made devastating wound paths. Look like they were hit by a tank.

If I had a small child today and was so inclined.. After looking at the chart posted above I would look real hard at getting a properly constructed 223 bullet and a ar15 or bolt action 223 and hunt with that. .223 and the right bullet will sure do the job!

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#3642231 - 04/11/14 05:01 PM Re: Beat deer gun for youth? [Re: mike243]
stik
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 Originally Posted By: mike243
7mm08 has almost 4 more lbs of kick than a 243,id rather a kid shoot a full house load 243 than a reduced 7mm08 any day of the week, pull up a site & look at felt recoil , no lies to tell with facts just bs being pushed on little kids, all kids are not the same, Id hate to make 1 gun shy because I give them more gun than they can take ,just my $.02 lol


recoil depends as much on the rifle as the round.
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#3642235 - 04/11/14 05:21 PM Re: Beat deer gun for youth? [Re: stik]
mike243
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take 2 guns same weight in those calibers & the 08 will have almost 4lbs more recoil, yes a gun can make a difference, weight is what tames recoil ask any bench rest shooter. Like I said all kids are different & you need to work up the range of recoil. I have killed a lot of deer with a 243 but I have also with my 300wm. the 3030 I have killed several ,shotgun slugs deadly .crossbow deadly but no more than any other bow,the difference is the ability of the shooter to hold up the weight of a heavy rifle to tame the recoil. Lets just get them out there with as little fear of touching off the rifle so they will want to go back out. My granddaughter will be at them hard this year Im thinking,7 years old & no boy will out do her if she can help it \:\)
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