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#3504618 - 12/17/13 12:15 PM Re: What/how is the most difficult way to kill a deer? [Re: Winchester]
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To answer your thread title, I think it would difficult to kill a deer by throwing apples at it. Kind of like "stoning" the deer, but instead of stones, using apples.
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#3504644 - 12/17/13 12:39 PM Re: What/how is the most difficult way to kill a deer? [Re: 102]
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 Originally Posted By: 102
 Originally Posted By: Winchester
 Originally Posted By: 102
 Originally Posted By: Wes Parrish
[quote=102] What makes a deer, any deer, the hardest most challenging deer to kill?

Age.

 Originally Posted By: 102
And does your choice of gun or bow make it more or less of a challenge?

Depends.
Depends on the hunter, where he's hunting, when he's hunting, how much he's hunting, as well as the AGE of the deer being hunted. Is it easier to kill a yearling buck with a bow or a mature buck with a gun? Just depends.


So you are saying that (comparing apples to apples and given both shooters are proficient with their choice of weapon) it might as easy to kill a yearling buck with a bow as a mature buck with a gun?

I could not disagree more.
I know several hunters who are very good with bow and gun. But have a very difficult time connecting with a fatal hit, even on a fawn, while using a bow. Yet these same hunters have no problem connecting on mature deer with their rifles.


Exactly 102!
Theres absolutely no comparison between a bow and a rifle! Think about it, with a rifle most anybody with average shooting experience can become proficient out to 200 yards with just a little practice. They then can kill anything that gets within 150 yards of them most times.
Now take a bow, which takes hours of practice to become proficient out to 30 yards!!! Then while hunting with a deer inside 30 yards, you have to learn to draw the bow undetected, make a good shot on an animal that is faster than your arrow is, then know how to atleast somewhat blood trail as 90% or more of bow shot deer run atleast some distance. The list goes on and on, Bow hunting takes much more skill than does rifle hunting! And NO im not talking about crossguns either. ;\)



Yes, absolutely correct IMO.

I can't even believe that there are those who would argue this.

How many times have I heard that taking ANY deer with a bow makes that deer a trophy.

I agree.

And hunting, and taking mature deer, by bow, that are hunted and pressured and wise as to hunter pressure, is especially challenging.

But to me...the MOST challenging deer is the MATURE (buck or doe) one taken on highly pressure, PUBLIC land, in cold weather and harsh conditions, requiring haevy, bulky cumbersome clothing, and with a bow that requires drawing a string just prior to the shot.
Guess I will be the one to disagree about "any deer" with a bow being a trophy.Well,at least to me.Killed 2 does with a bow this year,dont consider them trophies,and certainly would not have considered the numerous 1.5 year old bucks I could have killed trophies.JMO
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#3504653 - 12/17/13 12:45 PM Re: What/how is the most difficult way to kill a deer? [Re: Football Hunter]
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But will agree that bowhunting public land in late season is probably the hardest,but who didn't know you were gonna say that? \:\)
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#3504814 - 12/17/13 02:50 PM Re: What/how is the most difficult way to kill a deer? [Re: Football Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
But will agree that bowhunting public land in late season is probably the hardest,but who didn't know you were gonna say that? \:\)



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#3504853 - 12/17/13 03:32 PM Re: What/how is the most difficult way to kill a deer? [Re: Winchester]
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 Originally Posted By: Winchester
Theres absolutely no comparison between a bow and a rifle!


I couldn't agree more Winchester. Of the mature bucks I've killed (all with a gun), only 1 was out of bow range. However, how many of those mature bucks could I have killed if I had had a bow in my hands? Honestly, probably none! The amount of movement required to draw and fire a bow, as well as my individual skill with a bow (read: lack there of), most likely would have precluded me from connecting on any of the mature bucks I've killed inside 30 yards (and some at less than 15 yards) with a bow.
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#3504874 - 12/17/13 03:44 PM Re: What/how is the most difficult way to kill a deer? [Re: infoman jr.]
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Atle atle (sp) is buy far the toughest way on any deer.
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#3505057 - 12/17/13 06:09 PM Re: What/how is the most difficult way to kill a deer? [Re: 102]
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 Originally Posted By: 102
 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
But will agree that bowhunting public land in late season is probably the hardest,but who didn't know you were gonna say that? \:\)



You know me too well FH
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#3505270 - 12/17/13 08:02 PM Re: What/how is the most difficult way to kill a deer? [Re: 102]
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So you are saying that (comparing apples to apples and given both shooters are proficient with their choice of weapon) it might as easy to kill a yearling buck with a bow as a mature buck with a gun?

I could not disagree more.
I know several hunters who are very good with bow and gun. But have a very difficult time connecting with a fatal hit, even on a fawn, while using a bow. Yet these same hunters have no problem connecting on mature deer with their rifles.

No, I was NOT saying that (comparing apples to apples and given both shooters are proficient with their choice of weapon) it might be as easy to kill a yearling buck with a bow as a mature buck with a gun.

I did, however, poise the question, assuming we're talking accomplished deer hunters, "Is it easier to kill a yearling buck with a bow, or a mature buck with a gun?"
My answer to this question remains, "Depends on the hunter, where he's hunting, when he's hunting, how much he's hunting, as well as the AGE of the deer being hunted.
Just depends."


And what I DID say above, was in the context as stated, repeated below. \:\)
Highlighted in red is some of that key "context".

 Originally Posted By: 102
What makes a deer, any deer, the hardest most challenging deer to kill?

Age.

 Originally Posted By: 102
And does your choice of gun or bow make it more or less of a challenge?

Depends.
Depends on the hunter, where he's hunting, when he's hunting, how much he's hunting, as well as the AGE of the deer being hunted. Is it easier to kill a yearling buck with a bow or a mature buck with a gun? Just depends.

IMO, an accomplished hunter often has it easier to kill an older buck via bowhunting (assuming he's reasonably proficient in archery).

Why?
Via archery-only season segments, archery hunters typically get the first annual opportunities to hunt most places that allow hunting. And while I say "they", please take it as "we", because I see no reason to divide us farther into "bow" hunters vs. "gun" hunters, we're simply hunters.
But not only do we get the first annual hunting opportunities at undisturbed deer, but in many states (such as Illinois and Kentucky), over twice as many days to hunt "archery only" vs with any gun.

Let's also keep in mind that many if not most of the accomplished hunters either are, or have been, hunters who choose to use archery equipment. Typically, most hunters' choice of weapon is related to whatever he feels gives him the greatest opportunity at the time, not necessarily the greatest challenge.

Some states even force the hunter to make a pre-season choice of either hunting the year "archery only" or "gun only". In these states, I believe most of the better hunters (at least those who have lots of days available to go hunting) are going to choose archery only, mainly because it gives THEM more opportunity, not more challenge.

When we're willing to use archery equipment instead of a gun, we often get the very best opportunities in terms of places to hunt that are never gun hunted. A prime example would be many public hunting areas (such as President Island WMA and major portions of the Oak Ridge WMA), as well as many private and public properties that have deemed the hunting "archery only" due to either political correctness and/or legitimate safety concerns.

Not to mention, I've seen many people (including myself) gain exclusive hunting privileges on great private properties that didn't previously allow any hunting, simply by stating "will not hunt with a gun", or "I only hunt with a bow".

So I would say whether it's more difficult to kill a deer with a bow or gun depends greatly on the situation and the hunter. All things being equal, of course it's a greater challenge to take any deer with a bow than with a gun. Few comparisons are equal, and we're often comparing apples to oranges regarding bowhunting vs. gun hunting. Meanwhile, most avid hunters are just that, avid hunters who use whatever is the most effective weapon among their choices, commonly pursuing a different hunting challenge than those who may be more enthusiasts for the weapon than the hunt.

Some people are more into shooting than hunting, while hunting typically involves shooting. Those more enthused with shooting will typically hunt differently and have different hunting goals than those who are more enthused with hunting, regardless of the weapon. Some are more enthused with archery, some with flintlock muzzleloaders. To each their own.

There's plenty of room for all our preferences, and we all are hunters.

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#3505272 - 12/17/13 08:02 PM Re: What/how is the most difficult way to kill a deer? [Re: Wes Parrish]
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Among accomplished hunters, proficient with both gun and bow, no matter where they're hunting, no matter whether private or public grounds, it is much easier to regularly kill 1 1/2 & 2 1/2-yr-old bucks with a bow than mature bucks with a gun, in my humble opinion.

Some hunters place more of the challenge on the specific animal being pursued (such as a mature deer) while using the most effective weapon in their arsenal. Others place more of the challenge on the weapon being used (such as a bow) while considering any deer their targeted animal. Of course, it will always be a greater hunting challenge to pursue mature deer with a bow, vs. mature deer with a gun, and apples-to-apples, it will always be easier to kill a deer with a gun than with a bow.

But to the accomplished hunter proficient with both, he adjusts his hunting to accommodate his weapon, and the bow need not be as huge the disadvantage it is played.

 Originally Posted By: BSK
Of the mature bucks I've killed (all with a gun), only 1 was out of bow range.

Of course, BSK will tell you he wouldn't have fared so well with a bow. \:D
My point is he has become an accomplished hunter, regardless of whatever weapon was in his hands.

At the end of the day, we're both hunters and shooters, some leaning more towards one thing vs. another, some preferring one weapon over another. Most prefer the most effective weapon, and to some this is in fact a bow.

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#3505385 - 12/17/13 09:23 PM Re: What/how is the most difficult way to kill a deer? [Re: in the dog house!]
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 Originally Posted By: in the dog house!
 Originally Posted By: infoman jr.



Atle atle (sp) is buy far the toughest way on any deer.



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