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#3504947 - 12/17/13 04:29 PM Re: whats the latest you have seen chasing? [Re: BSK]
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My uncle swears that he seen 6 hornless bucks butting heads and boxing trying to mount a doe on the opening day of turkey season and he will not lie about it.


Although your uncle's observation sounds like he something "bad," what he actually witnessed was normal behavior in deer. In spring, a buck's body will produce a brief surge of testosterone to force his old antlers off and begin growing his new set of antlers. This usually occurs in April in TN. But this necessary surge of testosterone has unintended consequences--it makes bucks suddenly act "rutty" again. It is easy to find when this situation occurs in your local area by watching for scrapes to suddenly re-opened (usually in early to mid-April). In addition, bucks will briefly begin to chase does again. It is this surge of testosterone production and the ensuing influence it has on buck behavior that is the cause of most of the "I saw a buck chasing does" or "I just found a fresh scrape" stories that will appear every year on this site during April. It isn't a sign of a long, drawn out rut; it is just a sign of the normal antlergenesis process underway.

In fact, your uncle's description of the bucks having just lost their antlers (bloody stumps) is right on the money. The surge of testosterone not only made the bucks chase does, it caused their antlers to have just fallen off, which is exactly what the spring-season testosterone surge is intended to accomplish.


Great explanation bsk! Makes total since
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#3504950 - 12/17/13 04:31 PM Re: whats the latest you have seen chasing? [Re: Rockhound]
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Opening day of spring turkey season- two different times. Last year was the last time. Saw a six still hot on a young doe.
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#3504953 - 12/17/13 04:32 PM Re: whats the latest you have seen chasing? [Re: BSK]
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Although seeing bucks chasing does late into winter is usually thought of as a bad sign (and seeing A LOT of chasing in winter [in TN] is a bad sign), some chasing into winter is normal.

Not all does can conceive. Just as some human women cannot conceive, some female deer cannot conceive (due to any number of problems). However, often does that can't conceive CAN go into heat. Hence, these does will come into heat every 28-30 days from the fall months all the way until spring. And they are getting bred each time. However, they are unable to conceive and will cycle back into heat again.

The percent of does unable to conceive varies with each study, but a good average is around 5%. That means that approximately 1 out of every 20 does is unable to conceive. So if your hunting area holds at least 20 does, odds are you have a doe around that can't conceive and will cycle into heat over and over until spring. Observing the occasional chase in winter is not out of the ordinary at all, and isn't necessarily a bad sign.


Do you think not having the stress of giving birth will make these does live longer?
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#3505058 - 12/17/13 06:09 PM Re: whats the latest you have seen chasing? [Re: Rockhound]
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Do you think not having the stress of giving birth will make these does live longer?


Live longer? Hard to say. But be much larger in body than other does? Absolutely. Raising a fawn is very physically stressful/draining on does.
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#3505168 - 12/17/13 07:13 PM Re: whats the latest you have seen chasing? [Re: BSK]
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So is grandkids on grandmothers.
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#3505294 - 12/17/13 08:15 PM Re: whats the latest you have seen chasing? [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: Rockhound
Do you think not having the stress of giving birth will make these does live longer?


Live longer? Hard to say. But be much larger in body than other does? Absolutely. Raising a fawn is very physically stressful/draining on does.


That's what I was kinda getting at, maybe without 3 years of fawn bearing might not drag them down to give them a couple more years ( provided they aren't killed by anything other than natural causes)
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