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#3481520 - 12/03/13 05:55 AM Re: QDM paying off big time! [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
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I just wish we could get everyone on board to practice QDM on our lease. The deer that need passing are the ones that are getting killed on our lease. We have a 8pt or better rule but most 8pt that get killed are 2.5 year old. Are a lot of the hunters in that area planting food plots in the fields?
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#3481595 - 12/03/13 07:10 AM Re: QDM paying off big time! [Re: Crosshairy]
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congrats - great buck
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#3481618 - 12/03/13 07:24 AM Re: QDM paying off big time! [Re: Rackseeker]
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There are some in the fields and alot of small ones in the Mtn. The field food plots are mostly crop fields not actually "deer" food plots which work the same or better obviously. Where most of the consistent big deer are killed there have been no atv rides through the areas in many many years. I know the guys personally that kill the big ones consistently and they always see the numbers they are seeing this year. The cool thing that I was applauding was that alot more people around are letting the 2.5 year olds walk. We are fortunate to have so many people pulling together to have such great success.
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#3481734 - 12/03/13 08:38 AM Re: QDM paying off big time! [Re: deaddownwind]
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 Originally Posted By: deaddownwind
The cool thing that I was applauding was that alot more people around are letting the 2.5 year olds walk. We are fortunate to have so many people pulling together to have such great success.


And that's what it takes to see the kind of success you are experiencing. Glad it's working for you!
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#3481744 - 12/03/13 08:43 AM Re: QDM paying off big time! [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
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 Originally Posted By: 8 POINTS OR BETTER
There was a article in the QDMA magazine last year that talked about a maternial effect, and how it takes a couple generations for things to improve. My question is how much can it keeping improving, will it top out or will success keep breeding success?


Improvements due specifically to the maternal health effect would begin with deer born the first year does are considerably healthier all year than they had been in the past. The newborn deer must then live to near maturity to see the benefits.

All management programs eventually "max out." How far "maximum" is depends on the local area, especially deer density and hunter density (harvest pressure). Areas of high deer density and low hunter density will have a much higher "maximum level" than areas with low deer densities and high hunter densities.
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#3504599 - 12/17/13 11:56 AM Re: QDM paying off big time! [Re: BSK]
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 Originally Posted By: BSK
 Originally Posted By: 8 POINTS OR BETTER
There was a article in the QDMA magazine last year that talked about a maternial effect, and how it takes a couple generations for things to improve. My question is how much can it keeping improving, will it top out or will success keep breeding success?


Improvements due specifically to the maternal health effect would begin with deer born the first year does are considerably healthier all year than they had been in the past. The newborn deer must then live to near maturity to see the benefits.

All management programs eventually "max out." How far "maximum" is depends on the local area, especially deer density and hunter density (harvest pressure). Areas of high deer density and low hunter density will have a much higher "maximum level" than areas with low deer densities and high hunter densities.



Here is what I was talking about BSK
Here are some quotes from the study.

“It means that if you do habitat manipulations to try to improve habitat for deer, don’t expect the population to respond within one generation, especially if the animals have been on a low-quality diet for a long period of time,” Jenks said.

'Instead, managers must consider the possibility of time lags that could persist for multiple generations even as animal populations respond to improved environmental conditions'

"Biologists have known about the lag between improved diet and improved condition of animals, but they haven’t known why it takes place. Some previous studies have concluded that a time lag in population response to improved conditions was a direct result of the delay in recovery of vegetation.

Jenks said the SDSU study offers clear evidence that an important factor in that time lag can be intergenerational maternal effects in a population that experienced stress'


Edited by 8 POINTS OR BETTER (12/17/13 11:58 AM)
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#3504673 - 12/17/13 01:03 PM Re: QDM paying off big time! [Re: 8 POINTS OR BETTER]
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What county are these pics from? Nice deer by the way!
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#3504858 - 12/17/13 03:34 PM Re: QDM paying off big time! [Re: G8rntn]
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Yup, I'm aware of that research 8 POINTS, and I agree with it.
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#3505066 - 12/17/13 06:13 PM Re: QDM paying off big time! [Re: BSK]
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How long is a deer "generation"?
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#3505069 - 12/17/13 06:17 PM Re: QDM paying off big time! [Re: Football Hunter]
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 Originally Posted By: Football Hunter
How long is a deer "generation"?


Depends on how the term is being used. Often, it is used to refer to how long it takes for the entire deer population to roll over (all new deer), which is approximately 7 years. However, if it is used in a reproductive sense, then 1-2 years, as most females produce their first offspring right around their 2nd birthday (although a few produce their first offspring on their 1st birthday [bred as a fawn]).
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