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#3432022 - 11/02/13 11:23 AM Should I be scared of a diesel?
wayne
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As fate would have it, my sons car died Halloween night.The plan was, when my wife graduated in the spring, we would buy me a new truck capable of towing a 25-35 ft camper and give my son my Nissan. Now I have been looking at used trucks and some of these prices seem ridiculous to me. 2008 Duramax with 200k miles for $25,000. It's hard for me to justify that kind of money for that many miles. Am I off-base with my thinking? With only an 18 mile commute to work, I was hoping this would be my last vehicle.
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#3432040 - 11/02/13 11:40 AM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: wayne]
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Ide hunt around for a good 7.3 power stroke. I've never had one but have heard horror stories when one goes into the shop to get worked on. $$$
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#3432044 - 11/02/13 11:43 AM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: lung-buster]
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NOT UNLESS YOUR IN FRONT OF IT AND FALL DOWN
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#3432051 - 11/02/13 11:48 AM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: lung-buster]
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Diesel's bring big $ new and used. How often do you plan on pulling a camper? Can you justify $125 oil changes $1200 worth of tires and $3.85 fuel? When u need a diesel, they cannot be beat but for something to go to and from work for the most part, there are better options out there.
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#3432052 - 11/02/13 11:49 AM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: 7wsm]
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Looks for a power stroke you won't be disappointed..
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#3432057 - 11/02/13 12:01 PM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: Eric Kilby]
wayne
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As for how much the truck will be used to pull a camper, 2-3 week ends/month between May and November.
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#3432122 - 11/02/13 01:15 PM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: wayne]
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As for the 200 k miles that diesel is just getting broke in imo
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#3432123 - 11/02/13 01:15 PM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: wayne]
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Get a ford with the 7.3 powerstroke. They are reliable and not as expensive to work on as the newer disels are. Oil change can be done for about $60.00 to $80.00 do this every 5k miles. Change fuel filter every 10k get this off of ebay cheaper. Then just drive the hound out of it they work better driven hard not just ease around town in. Mine has 268k miles on it and should still have several 100k miles to go. I hope to never have to go back to a gas burner again.
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#3432141 - 11/02/13 01:28 PM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: medic]
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2004 cummins with 213,000-22 mpg.

I would highly recommend a diesel truck.

I bought mine with 40,000 for $21,000. I love mine and will smoke a lot of 7.3's on the road ;\) been there done that ;\)


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#3432170 - 11/02/13 01:56 PM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: DBLAARCHERY]
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 Originally Posted By: DBLAARCHERY
2004 cummins with 213,000-22 mpg.

I would highly recommend a diesel truck.

I bought mine with 40,000 for $21,000. I love mine and will smoke a lot of 7.3's on the road ;\) been there done that ;\)


Cummins is a great motor also I just cannot make myself like the truck body. You might have a little harder time smoking my 7.3 ;\)
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#3432270 - 11/02/13 03:07 PM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: medic]
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If you buy a ford get the 7.3. If you buy a dodge get the 5.9. Had a 7.3 one time and getting rid of it was a big mistake. I have the 6.0 now and have had no issues. The problem with the first two I mentioned is people want gold for them with 150,000+ miles. I'm not paying $25-30,000 for a truck with that many miles.
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#3432290 - 11/02/13 03:16 PM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: Gravey]
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For what your doing I say half ton. Nothing wrong with a diesel just too much truck for your needs.
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#3432301 - 11/02/13 03:24 PM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: shanel]
wayne
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 Originally Posted By: shanel
For what your doing I say half ton. Nothing wrong with a diesel just too much truck for your needs.


Half ton is not rated for the camper we are getting.
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#3432409 - 11/02/13 04:28 PM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: wayne]
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I'm kind of in the same situation as you right now.After 4 years of trying to buy a friends boat he finally decides to sell it to me and I don't like the MPG or strain it puts on my Tacoma so I've started looking for a diesel truck to pull it with. A half ton gas truck would pull my boat fine but I figure I may as well get something made for pulling since I'll be taking it to Florida 3-4 times a year and pulling it with the Taco may turn it in to a Burrito before its all said and done.So now I'm looking to either buy a cheap(ish) or trade my hot rod S-10 toy for a diesel. Leaning towards a 5.9 Dodge
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#3432443 - 11/02/13 04:52 PM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: paincave_2000]
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Wouldn't take nothing for my 7.3! Diesel is more expensive but mileage is better than a full sized gas burner and will last three times longer. Mine is not my daily driver but when I need to tow or haul it will do whatever I need it to and do it very well!
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#3432490 - 11/02/13 05:31 PM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: CATCHDAWG]
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Since half ton was mentioned, what is the difference between a Chevy 1500 and a 1500HD?
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#3432512 - 11/02/13 05:43 PM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: wayne]
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 Originally Posted By: wayne
Since half ton was mentioned, what is the difference between a Chevy 1500 and a 1500HD?


GVW is slightly higher (400lbs i think) frame is heavier, larger brakes some more that I not sure of.
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#3432619 - 11/02/13 06:55 PM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: medic]
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 Originally Posted By: medic
 Originally Posted By: wayne
Since half ton was mentioned, what is the difference between a Chevy 1500 and a 1500HD?


GVW is slightly higher (400lbs i think) frame is heavier, larger brakes some more that I not sure of.
I think they have a 6.0 L engine also.

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#3433069 - 11/03/13 01:43 AM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: lung-buster]
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 Originally Posted By: lung-buster
 Originally Posted By: medic
 Originally Posted By: wayne
Since half ton was mentioned, what is the difference between a Chevy 1500 and a 1500HD?


GVW is slightly higher (400lbs i think) frame is heavier, larger brakes some more that I not sure of.
I think they have a 6.0 L engine also.


That's what mine has (Chevy Crew 4x4 1500 HD) .Not great mileage but pulls my 30 ft . camper with ease 180,000 with little trouble (wheel bearings).
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#3433083 - 11/03/13 02:34 AM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: Snake]
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I didnt even know they made a 1500 hd . I have a buddy that has a white 2004 or 5 chevy 2500 HD extended cab 6.6 duramax with low mileage for sale . Seems like around 70,000 if you are interested let me know . He bought the truck because he drove my 04 crew cab GMC which is almost identical but he had to have that bow tie . If I needed a tow vehicle that is the truck I would buy .
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#3433159 - 11/03/13 06:17 AM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: BUCK-J]
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Wayne, I've got an 05 Chevy 2500 HD, 6 liter gas, 5 spd. 411 posi rear. It will pull my 25 ft. camper, or flatbed trailer with a 6k pound tractor and equipment with no problem.
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#3433220 - 11/03/13 07:02 AM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: dr]
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Get you a 7.3 powerstroke and forget about it. Theres a reason there are way more Ford diesels on the road than dodge and chevys. Fyi the 7.3 is actuallly made by international.
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#3433257 - 11/03/13 07:23 AM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: medic]
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I have a 1994 Cummings with 240,000 miles on it still runs like a new one and a 2002 Duramax LB7 with 80,000 miles on it. Hard to go wrong with A Diesel in my book. Do a little research though there are few bad years for Ford, Chevy and Dodge in the Diesels but other than that with a few minner modes you can get awesome MPG and Power
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#3433420 - 11/03/13 08:58 AM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: jos3ywales]
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Some will probably get offended but I would stay away from any Duramax and that is NOT a slam against the Chevy guys! They simply just don't match up with the Ford or Dodge performance. You should be able to find "true" dyno numbers online and we all know, numbers don't lie! Lol
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#3433436 - 11/03/13 09:06 AM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: CATCHDAWG]
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 Originally Posted By: CATCHDAWG
Some will probably get offended but I would stay away from any Duramax and that is NOT a slam against the Chevy guys! They simply just don't match up with the Ford or Dodge performance. You should be able to find "true" dyno numbers online and we all know, numbers don't lie! Lol


http://www.dieseltees.com/chevy-duramax-...out-infographic

here some number to debate that ? against duramax and also you cam make more power and Torque with any make with Tuners
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#3433446 - 11/03/13 09:15 AM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: jos3ywales]
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the 12 valve cummings is hard to beat but the Duramax Allison is by far the best tran

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#3433448 - 11/03/13 09:17 AM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: jos3ywales]
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Just buy a 7.3 Ford or a dodge 2004.5 to 07 and leave it stock unless you've got money to spare. The mods may increase your mileage slightly but it will take a long time to get your money back. These trucks will pull anything you need to pull, and don't believe anyone that says they are getting much over 2o mpg.
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#3433457 - 11/03/13 09:25 AM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: jar]
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I have a 2012 Ram 2500 w/ a Cummins .. hands down the best investment I have ever made as far as a vehicle is concerned. I plan on keeping this thing until its run into the ground, then rebuilding and running it into the ground again.

In my opinion, especially if this is going to be the last vehicle you buy, the difference in price between a new vehicle and a used one is narrow enough to just get a new one. When I bought my '12 I was able to get it for $38,000 .. and when you consider $25,000 for an older truck with 200k, the extra $13,000 is worth it for peace of mind.

Don't be afraid of the diesel. The engine will long outlast the transmission, bearings, transfer case, etc.. all things to be worried about on an older vehicle.

Also, another thing to consider on the Duramax is the hassle of DEF..
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#3433459 - 11/03/13 09:27 AM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: jar]
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Curtis, that's not the engines I had in mind but ok... Lol :). I will say I'm a die hard Ford man but to be fair, me and my buddy's all pull the same vehicles to car shows, all the trucks (for the show) are the same except one is a crew cab. The tow trucks are all different, powerstrokes, duramax and cummins. The cummins pulls the crew cab (the heaviest) and none of us can hang with him! He does have a programmer though...
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#3433472 - 11/03/13 09:42 AM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: jos3ywales]
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Any opinions on 2005 6.0 Powerstroke? Found a Lariat 4x4 with 90k for $24,900. Cosmetically it is perfect. And the wife loves the color.
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#3433481 - 11/03/13 09:49 AM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: wayne]
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 Originally Posted By: wayne
Any opinions on 2005 6.0 Powerstroke? Found a Lariat 4x4 with 90k for $24,900. Cosmetically it is perfect. And the wife loves the color.

Stay away from the 6.0 UNLESS it has had the egr delete put on it or you plan on having one put on! That was major problem with that engine as well as some head stud problems. If those two issues can be resolved, mainly the egr, it would be a good truck.
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#3433510 - 11/03/13 10:21 AM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: CATCHDAWG]
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Agree here .. those '04 - '06 6.0s were trouble.
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#3433519 - 11/03/13 10:39 AM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: wayne]
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 Originally Posted By: wayne
Any opinions on 2005 6.0 Powerstroke? Found a Lariat 4x4 with 90k for $24,900. Cosmetically it is perfect. And the wife loves the color.


That is to much money for that truck even if the egr delete and head gaskets and studs replaced. Go on Craigslist on look around.
There is a '05 Ford CC lariet 4wd that has the head gasket and studs and a lot of other stuff replaced for 15K here in Chattanooga.

I bought my 1999 F250 CC 4wd for 9K it booked for 10500.


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#3433521 - 11/03/13 10:41 AM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: amattis13]
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We have had 3 Dodge Cummins with a combined almost 1,000,000 miles on them. They all 3 have been workhorses pulling up to 12,000 lbs on a daily basis.

The thing most people fail to realize is the Cummins has a considerably less amount of moving parts compared to the PS or DM. What this amounts to is more space to work( don't have to remove the cab to work on it), less expensive repairs and just flat out more durable. Think about this. A V engine by design is constantly wearing the cylinder walls and rings because of the angle of pistons being forced up into the cylinders. An inline 6 cyl is working in a straight up and down motion. What you get is worn out cylinders about twice as fast in a v engine.

Commercial truck manufacturers have used the inline 6 for ever for a reason. Reliability, ease of maintenance and longevity.

Me personally, if I were going to purchase a diesel truck to pull with and have one that will last, it would be a Cummins. I could never bring myself to own an Isuzu made diesel, and I work for International and have seen day in and day out the troubles the International built Ford diesels can give. The new Ford built powerstroke I don't have a clue about but I have heard from more than one that they are not too hot either. Whatever you do try to stay away with anything that has EGR or after treatment on it or get it deleted fast if you buy something with it on it.
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#3433584 - 11/03/13 11:54 AM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: jos3ywales]
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Thanks for all the advice. I guess I will modify my orignal plan and go with a mid to late 90's GM dually gas burner and get me a dailey driver in the summer.
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#3433592 - 11/03/13 11:58 AM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: jos3ywales]
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As a side note, truck shopping is hard when you don't want a white truck. There's a million out there.
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#3433625 - 11/03/13 12:31 PM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: wayne]
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haaa haa ha .. you got it Wayne!

Never count out a good wrap!

Before I had the Ram, I had a Silverado.. back when I worked at Under Armour, we had a wrap put on it.. this was a white truck too:
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#3433687 - 11/03/13 01:23 PM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: amattis13]
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 Originally Posted By: CATCHDAWG
 Originally Posted By: wayne
Any opinions on 2005 6.0 Powerstroke? Found a Lariat 4x4 with 90k for $24,900. Cosmetically it is perfect. And the wife loves the color.

Stay away from the 6.0 UNLESS it has had the egr delete put on it or you plan on having one put on! That was major problem with that engine as well as some head stud problems. If those two issues can be resolved, mainly the egr, it would be a good truck.

 Originally Posted By: amattis13
Agree here .. those '04 - '06 6.0s were trouble.

The 6.0 has a bad rap. The 03's and 04's are the ones that had problems. I had an 05 and now have an 06 and knock on wood no trouble with either. The fuel mileage sucks is my only complaint. Mine is bone stock because I bought it two years ago and put the extended warranty in it. Only have right at 60,000 miles on it but when the warranty is out I'll do the egr delete, add a SCT tuner, and probably run a bigger exhaust from the turbo back.

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#3433730 - 11/03/13 02:09 PM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: Gravey]
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 Originally Posted By: Gravey
 Originally Posted By: CATCHDAWG
 Originally Posted By: wayne
Any opinions on 2005 6.0 Powerstroke? Found a Lariat 4x4 with 90k for $24,900. Cosmetically it is perfect. And the wife loves the color.

Stay away from the 6.0 UNLESS it has had the egr delete put on it or you plan on having one put on! That was major problem with that engine as well as some head stud problems. If those two issues can be resolved, mainly the egr, it would be a good truck.

 Originally Posted By: amattis13
Agree here .. those '04 - '06 6.0s were trouble.

The 6.0 has a bad rap. The 03's and 04's are the ones that had problems. I had an 0i5 and now have an 06 and knock on wood no trouble with either. The fuel mileage sucks is my only complaint. Mine is bone stock because I bought it two years ago and put the extended warranty in it. Only have right at 60,000 miles on it but when the warranty is out I'll do the egr delete, add a SCT tuner, and probably run a bigger exhaust from the turbo back.



If you are going to spend the money on it I would do an EGR delete, go ahead and have heads studs done and maybe an oil cooler upgrade. I wouldnt go any more than a 4 inch exhaust on it. The 6.0 gets so much feedback from the exhaust back pressure sensor, most do not run as well with big 5 inch exhaust. Unless you are gonna do some turbo and injector upgrades. The SCT you will like.


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#3435989 - 11/04/13 05:39 PM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: TeamMainStreet]
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UPDATE: It is an '07 NOT an '05...if that makes any difference. The truck was bought at the dealership, traded 2 years later at the same dealer, traded again at the same dealership, and the dealer's grandson has been driving it since. All service was done at this same dealership. The grandson said it gets 15 mpg loaded or empty. No mods have been done except for exhaust upgrade from the cat back.
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#3436075 - 11/04/13 06:19 PM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: wayne]
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I'm a Dodge man myself but imo Chevy's diesel is at the bottom of the 3,I've work over the road pulling trailers for years and have drove all 3,have had the lease problems with Dodge,I think Fords are nicer trucks than Dodge, but for motors cummins all the way.If you don't mind the high cost of fuel you'll love a diesel.
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#3436282 - 11/04/13 07:57 PM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: wayne]
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 Originally Posted By: wayne
UPDATE: It is an '07 NOT an '05...if that makes any difference. The truck was bought at the dealership, traded 2 years later at the same dealer, traded again at the same dealership, and the dealer's grandson has been driving it since. All service was done at this same dealership. The grandson said it gets 15 mpg loaded or empty. No mods have been done except for exhaust upgrade from the cat back.


If they can show the paper work were the head gasket and studs were replaced then the price is about right from a dealer. 15 mpg is about right to empty it will get about 10-12 mpg with a good size camper behind it.

Working in EMS I've driven all three of the diesels in some forum of an ambulance and they get the dog piss drove out of them . I still think the 6.0 is the best of all if the proper upgrades have been done. The thing is about bullet proof and will smoke the Duramax or Cummins and does not have the expensive up keep like the newer models of any one of the three. The transmisson behind the 6.0 is just as good as the allison behind the duramax.
Just remember any diesel was made to work and driving it like a soccer mom will choke any of them down.
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#3436402 - 11/04/13 08:38 PM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: medic]
infoman jr.
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'03 6.0 owner here. Talk to Eric at Innovative Diesel to get your SCT tunes. I've enjoyed mine.

You should be able to get a king ranch for 5-6k less with the same year and mileage.
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#3436845 - 11/05/13 07:13 AM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: infoman jr.]
medic
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 Originally Posted By: infoman jr.
'03 6.0 owner here. Talk to Eric at Innovative Diesel to get your SCT tunes. I've enjoyed mine.

You should be able to get a king ranch for 5-6k less with the same year and mileage.


Eric is the best.
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#3436883 - 11/05/13 07:37 AM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: medic]
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Please do some reading before even considering the Ford 6.0. They get a "bad rap" because they are wallet wrecker. You have to pull the cab loose to get the head bolt out! Oh, did I mention you have to remove the heads to replace the HP O-rings that fail every 100,000 miles. They are strong beasts when running, but as unrealiable as a diesel could possibly be. Check out what they charge for injectors on that thing, you will tear up just thinking about it. I have worked on them all.. many times... and I have decided to NOT work on these models. The repair is often so expensive that I get stuck with the thing in my garage because the owner doesn't have $3,000 for a repair. I'm not a Ford hater either, I drive one. Either pony up and go newer or throttle down to the 7.3. That 7.3 is IMO one of the best engines EVER put on wheels.

The cummins is great as well, you can find that engine in most any HD application, from dump trucks to combines.

Duramax of course is an Isuzu, which is a blessing and a curse. I think you will find that guys who are serious about their work and depend on their trucks for a living go with either Ford or Cummins.
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#3436919 - 11/05/13 08:01 AM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: Urban_Hunter]
medic
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 Originally Posted By: Urban_Hunter
Please do some reading before even considering the Ford 6.0. They get a "bad rap" because they are wallet wrecker. You have to pull the cab loose to get the head bolt out! Oh, did I mention you have to remove the heads to replace the HP O-rings that fail every 100,000 miles. They are strong beasts when running, but as unrealiable as a diesel could possibly be. Check out what they charge for injectors on that thing, you will tear up just thinking about it. I have worked on them all.. many times... and I have decided to NOT work on these models. The repair is often so expensive that I get stuck with the thing in my garage because the owner doesn't have $3,000 for a repair. I'm not a Ford hater either, I drive one. Either pony up and go newer or throttle down to the 7.3. That 7.3 is IMO one of the best engines EVER put on wheels.

The cummins is great as well, you can find that engine in most any HD application, from dump trucks to combines.

Duramax of course is an Isuzu, which is a blessing and a curse. I think you will find that guys who are serious about their work and depend on their trucks for a living go with either Ford or Cummins.


I will have to disagree with you on the 6.0 been junk. Yes they are expensive to work on as is all the newer diesels the cabs have to come off of all of the newer fords. As for the oil seals that problem was mostly on the 03 and 04 models the 06 he is looking at should be fine but anything can break.
The 7.3 is the most reliable motor out there but not the strongest. Take care of the 6.0 AFTER the head studs have been replaced and the EGR deleted and it will last as long as any of them. I have put thousands of some of the hardest miles you can put on them and after the company's I worked for repaired them as I suggested they never had another problem.
I will agree that anyone looking at any diesel after '03 should do a lot of reading about all brands before buying. They all have their own unique problems and expense to repair.
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#3436960 - 11/05/13 08:24 AM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: medic]
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I peed and moaned about towing capacity for years, and finally bit the bullet and bought an 07 GMC DM with the 6 speed Allison. Power is unreal, smooth shifting I thought was impossible in a truck. Millage is not great, if I drive it easy on the HWY I can get 17-19, city is 14. While you dont feel much when towing, it drops to 9-12 mpg. Am I happy with it, hell yes. Its a race car on a truck frame.
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#3437020 - 11/05/13 08:57 AM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: medic]
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 Originally Posted By: medic


I will have to disagree with you on the 6.0 been junk. Yes they are expensive to work on as is all the newer diesels the cabs have to come off of all of the newer fords. As for the oil seals that problem was mostly on the 03 and 04 models the 06 he is looking at should be fine but anything can break.
The 7.3 is the most reliable motor out there but not the strongest. Take care of the 6.0 AFTER the head studs have been replaced and the EGR deleted and it will last as long as any of them. I have put thousands of some of the hardest miles you can put on them and after the company's I worked for repaired them as I suggested they never had another problem.
I will agree that anyone looking at any diesel after '03 should do a lot of reading about all brands before buying. They all have their own unique problems and expense to repair.


Just to be clear... the head stud repair you mention can EASILY reach the $5000 mark. You are talking about machining the heads, all new gaskets, seals, etc... and Replacing those two STUPID O-Rings... who came up with that anyways? Should be drug outside, beaten severely, and shot in the foot. My point with my post is that the 6.0's can be found cheap. That however is NOT an indication of a good deal. They are ticking time bombs. They will have problems, and they will cost exponentially more to repair than other diesels built during that time. Just know saving the initial 3-5k on the purchase, you will be faced with that in repairs down the road. That is assuming you are not pulling a time critical load and stranded on the side of the road because the oil O-Ring failed and it shut itself off On a positive note, at least it shuts itself off!

Please realize, I have no reason to have this stance other than personal experience with them. I love the 7.3, and I like the new Ford diesels (08+) It isn't a ford vs chevy or dodge thing.
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#3437307 - 11/05/13 11:38 AM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: medic]
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I have a 1999 7.3 turbo diesel that I am looking to sell. Just too much truck for me. Nashville area. Call me if interested. 159k miles, manual 6 speed.

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#3437356 - 11/05/13 12:03 PM Re: Should I be scared of a diesel? [Re: TheRealSpurhunter]
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 Originally Posted By: TheRealSpurhunter
I peed and moaned about towing capacity for years, and finally bit the bullet and bought an 07 GMC DM with the 6 speed Allison. Power is unreal, smooth shifting I thought was impossible in a truck. Millage is not great, if I drive it easy on the HWY I can get 17-19, city is 14. While you dont feel much when towing, it drops to 9-12 mpg. Am I happy with it, hell yes. Its a race car on a truck frame.




good looking rig
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