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#3429680 - 10/31/13 04:45 PM Testing Back.
RiverRat213
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Results are in now you professors,chemists, biologist, and just old heads tell me what mix I need to get my soil to around 6.5ph.

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#3431179 - 11/01/13 03:37 PM Re: Testing Back. [Re: RiverRat213]
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Drive some soil from KY to your property, mix it in and still add a bunch of lime. How large of an area is this, acres or square feet? what do you plan to grow in each plot? For beans/corn your going to need a lot more fertilizer than for brassicas/forage. Best of luck, can't wait to see before after pics next fall.
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#3431575 - 11/01/13 09:41 PM Re: Testing Back. [Re: Food Plot 101]
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7 acres each 14 total divided in half. Up1 will be durana clover with a fall mix of wheat and oats for nurse crop. Lo1 will be divided in half. Half will be white pro so millet,brown top millet and foxtail then be drilled with AWP,chicory, and oats in the fall. Last half will be a pure nwsg stand that will contain switchgrass,blue stem, and partridge pea.
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#3431596 - 11/01/13 09:58 PM Re: Testing Back. [Re: RiverRat213]
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Here is a photo of the field. Area from green strip left to woods is planned improvement area. Nwsg area will start about 60 yards right of the strip and end about 60' shy of where the green strip is now. This picture was taken from an elevated shooting house that will remain for years to come. I'm open for suggestions pertaining to this management project.a lot of work for one man Ihave over 1000 acres that i manage all by myself and hunt as well. Hard to find anyone in my area that is as dedicated as me to spend every daylight hour not sitting behind a desk to spend it improving my chances of harvesting quality deer. Its not just my future experience or present its about the ones that will be enjoying all my hard work after I'm gone. I love the outdoors and land herd management is my passion. I just need some help from the great folks on this site to steer me in the right directions on what I'm working with. Anyone is welcome to come down and spend a day with me pointing out areas I can improve on and ways to do so. BTW my local coop is in financial trouble and have changed all personal. Called them today and asked if I could bring in my soil test results and them provide me with a cost per acre to adjust pH to my planned crops. Their response was I don't think we have anyone here that can do that. Might call so and so they might can help you. OK I'm done venting
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#3431623 - 11/01/13 10:34 PM Re: Testing Back. [Re: RiverRat213]
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River rat,usually you code what you plan to plant, whether clover, warm-season grains, etc. The soil test will then give recommendations for the specific crop you want to plant. If you will put the crop codes on the data sheet, you won't have to fool with trying to look it up yourself on the website below.

Check out these sites to help interpret the data:

http://soilplantandpest.utk.edu/publications/soilfertilizerpubs.htm

According to your soil test, P & K are low. I would shoot for the medium range, which would be 19-30#/acre of P, and 91-161#/acre of K. Medium fertility will allow your plants to perform at around 75% of their total potential.You can buy bulk premixed fertilizer or buy it in bags to get the mix you need. Just remember the number on the bag is %, not the # in the bag.

N is determined by the crop you want to grow. Millets, oats, and chicory will probably need some. UT extension recommends 45-120# of N for establishing cool season grains (oats) and legumes. I would probably use grain sorghum rec's for the millets- 60-90#/acre

Looks like you will need 1.5-2 tons of lime/acre.

Don't put anything down on the area to be planted in NWSG. They are adapted to growing on TN's nutrient-poor acidic soils. Only lime if <5.

I don't know who would be local for you to get lime and fertilizer from. Maybe the coop in the next county?


Edited by MickThompson (11/01/13 10:44 PM)

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#3433361 - 11/03/13 08:25 AM Re: Testing Back. [Re: MickThompson]
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Thanks mick
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#3433602 - 11/03/13 12:07 PM Re: Testing Back. [Re: MickThompson]
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 Originally Posted By: MickThompson

Just remember the number on the bag is %, not the # in the bag.



The number (%) on the bag is pounds of each content per 100 pounds of the mix. For example...a 50 lb bag of 15-15-15 means that there is 7.5 lbs of N, 7.5 lbs of K, and 7.5 lbs in the one bag.

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#3433635 - 11/03/13 12:44 PM Re: Testing Back. [Re: drrxnupe]
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drrxnupe, that really isnt correct. Its % of N, P2O5, and K20 on the bag. So 100 lbs of 10-10-10 would have 10 lbs N, 4.36 lbs P, and 8.3 lbs K.
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#3434022 - 11/03/13 05:45 PM Re: Testing Back. [Re: smstone22]
MickThompson
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And some places are selling 40# bags instead of 50# so they can mark them at a lower price.
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#3434295 - 11/03/13 07:47 PM Re: Testing Back. [Re: MickThompson]
RiverRat213
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OK now ya got me even more cornfruzed
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#3434326 - 11/03/13 07:55 PM Re: Testing Back. [Re: smstone22]
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 Originally Posted By: smstone22
drrxnupe, that really isnt correct. Its % of N, P2O5, and K20 on the bag. So 100 lbs of 10-10-10 would have 10 lbs N, 4.36 lbs P, and 8.3 lbs K.


Sorry Stone...you're incorrect. The example below was taken out of the QDMA book. It's the exact example you mention.




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#3434333 - 11/03/13 07:56 PM Re: Testing Back. [Re: drrxnupe]
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 Originally Posted By: drrxnupe
 Originally Posted By: MickThompson

Just remember the number on the bag is %, not the # in the bag.



The number (%) on the bag is pounds of each content per 100 pounds of the mix. For example...a 50 lb bag of 15-15-15 means that there is 7.5 lbs of N, 7.5 lbs of K, and 7.5 lbs in the one bag.


In my example 15-15-15 in 50 lbs of fertilizer gives you 7.5 lbs of each. 100 lbs of 15-15-15 ( two 50 lbs bags) gives you 15 lbs of each.

Sorry to throw you off Rat :). When I took medical math in pharmacy school, I struggled with it as well.


Edited by drrxnupe (11/03/13 07:58 PM)

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#3434528 - 11/03/13 08:48 PM Re: Testing Back. [Re: drrxnupe]
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 Originally Posted By: drrxnupe
 Originally Posted By: smstone22
drrxnupe, that really isnt correct. Its % of N, P2O5, and K20 on the bag. So 100 lbs of 10-10-10 would have 10 lbs N, 4.36 lbs P, and 8.3 lbs K.


Sorry Stone...you're incorrect. The example below was taken out of the QDMA book. It's the exact example you mention.







I think I will agree with Stone here. He is pointing out the exact molecular weight of the compounds for P in P2O5 and K in K20, which is 43.6% and 83% respectively. That in fact would give him the actual amount he stated for his example for P and K.

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#3434544 - 11/03/13 08:56 PM Re: Testing Back. [Re: primos32]
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I also see your in Hardin Co from the soil report. Hardin Co. Co-op should be able to come lime it for you if your doing 14 acres. $32 per ton last time I checked, that is if you don't have the equipment to do it. If you have any questions just send over a PM.
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#3434658 - 11/03/13 09:39 PM Re: Testing Back. [Re: primos32]
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 Originally Posted By: primos32


I think I will agree with Stone here. He is pointing out the exact molecular weight of the compounds for P in P2O5 and K in K20, which is 43.6% and 83% respectively. That in fact would give him the actual amount he stated for his example for P and K.



Gotcha...from a molecular weight standpoint that is correct. I've never had a soil test so i didn't realize that they give N-P-K amt recommendations down to the molecule weight level.

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#3434680 - 11/03/13 09:56 PM Re: Testing Back. [Re: drrxnupe]
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 Originally Posted By: drrxnupe
 Originally Posted By: primos32


I think I will agree with Stone here. He is pointing out the exact molecular weight of the compounds for P in P2O5 and K in K20, which is 43.6% and 83% respectively. That in fact would give him the actual amount he stated for his example for P and K.



Gotcha...from a molecular weight standpoint that is correct. I've never had a soil test so i didn't realize that they give N-P-K amt recommendations down to the molecule weight level.


The one he has looks to be the one from the Tennessee lab, which gives you a unit/pound type of recommendation. An example would be 40 lbs of P. Since the molecular weight of P in P2O5 is only 43.6% of the compound, you very well could only be spreading out half of what is recommended if you disregard the weight calculation Stone pointed out. It's impossible to get it exactly right but being as close as possible to recommended is best. Especially when you are spending so much these days on inputs.


Edited by primos32 (11/03/13 10:02 PM)

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#3438465 - 11/06/13 04:31 AM Re: Testing Back. [Re: drrxnupe]
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 Originally Posted By: drrxnupe
 Originally Posted By: smstone22
drrxnupe, that really isnt correct. Its % of N, P2O5, and K20 on the bag. So 100 lbs of 10-10-10 would have 10 lbs N, 4.36 lbs P, and 8.3 lbs K.


Sorry Stone...you're incorrect. The example below was taken out of the QDMA book. It's the exact example you mention.







Im not incorrect at all. Phosphate and Potash are not pure P phosphorus and K Potassium. They have a percentage of P and K in them, the percentages mentioned.


Edited by smstone22 (11/06/13 04:39 AM)
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